comment by See You Next Tuesday (U3090)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not going to lie, I did see one poor guy who died and his story was on the news. He was 29, and his wife wanted to release his story to the press as a plea to say young people aren’t immune. Now that is a worthy cause to fight for.

But what got me though was his wife was insistent that he had no underlying health conditions. In each of the photos the guy by eye test was bordering on morbidly obese, at least (his wife the same). It isn’t really a true underlying health condition I guess but, in the same way you can be a chronic smoker, or a chronic hypertensive, being that size no doubt is an independent risk factor for mortality for COVID-19 even if the guy is ‘perfectly healthy’ overwise.
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I saw the same story and rightly or wrongly thought the same. It does seem that COVID-19 hits a certain percentage of the population harder than others
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It hits men twice as hard as women, so you're right, in a way

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by See You Next Tuesday (U3090)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not going to lie, I did see one poor guy who died and his story was on the news. He was 29, and his wife wanted to release his story to the press as a plea to say young people aren’t immune. Now that is a worthy cause to fight for.

But what got me though was his wife was insistent that he had no underlying health conditions. In each of the photos the guy by eye test was bordering on morbidly obese, at least (his wife the same). It isn’t really a true underlying health condition I guess but, in the same way you can be a chronic smoker, or a chronic hypertensive, being that size no doubt is an independent risk factor for mortality for COVID-19 even if the guy is ‘perfectly healthy’ overwise.
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I saw the same story and rightly or wrongly thought the same. It does seem that COVID-19 hits a certain percentage of the population harder than others
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It hits men twice as hard as women, so you're right, in a way
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https://en.radiofarda.com/a/eleven-athletes-in-iran-have-died-of-coronavirus-infection/30502659.html

The 4th option a lot of people in my local facebook page support is tightening the lockdown.

Our lockdown included daily exercise, in Italy and Spain the easing of the lockdown has been reported as adding exactly this, being allowed out for exercise.

The lockdown is only designed to control how many people get the virus at any time, not to stop us getting it.I am still expecting most of the population to get it at some time, the important thing is that the NHS can cope with the numbers needing them. They are coping so a small relaxing, maybe some schools back, would be doable to let e few more people catch it.

Here in Florida we are doing a soft opening starting Monday. No schools but restaurants at 25% capacity for example.

It is all happening way too early in the US and we are going to be back to square one by July

comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
It is all happening way too early in the US and we are going to be back to square one by July
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Yeah, state-by-state.
California may be okay because Newsom has his head screwed on straight.
But then he'll have to institute bans against travelling between California and infected states.
That'll be a new one!

comment by The Wonky Kronke (U16927)
posted 5 hours, 6 minutes ago
The 4th option a lot of people in my local facebook page support is tightening the lockdown.

Our lockdown included daily exercise, in Italy and Spain the easing of the lockdown has been reported as adding exactly this, being allowed out for exercise.

The lockdown is only designed to control how many people get the virus at any time, not to stop us getting it.I am still expecting most of the population to get it at some time, the important thing is that the NHS can cope with the numbers needing them. They are coping so a small relaxing, maybe some schools back, would be doable to let e few more people catch it.
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So if we all do get it, how many deaths does that translate to?

Florida Governor just announced that we are going into Phase 1, ( except SE Florida ) which will allow restaurants to open at 25% capacity inside and social distancing outside. Retail stores to also open at 25%.

No cinemas, salons, bars or sporting events yet. It's a start and let's hope it works.

Hmmmm....

Whether restaurants are open or not, what kind of fackin moron would go into one currently anyway?!?!?

Quite.

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comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
I think quite a lot of people would. If you are under the age of 45 the virus’ death rate is so low you are probably more likely to be die being hit by a car on the way to the restaurant than from Covid 19.

Not saying coronavirus is something you should not take measures to avoid, but I think people need to recognise that it is delusional to hide in a bunker until a vaccine is discovered.

I would have zero issue for instance, going to the cinema with a mask and 25 percent capacity in the auditorium.
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According to some of the sages on this site you oughta be ashamed of holding this opinion because people are dying while you're thinking about going to the cinema.

Tut tut.

It’s tricky because it’s a cluster fk the whole thing and situation. In 2 months we’ve still learned next to nothing about this virus apart from it clearly kills a lot of people.

We have no idea on any clear / defining symptoms seeing as it effects everyone different and people seem to test positive for it willy nilly without the cough or fever or symptoms.

We apparently still don’t have mass testing or accurate testing as there is so many false positives and negatives, apparently it’s something to do with the test swabbing as it could be gone but then an hour later appear again and if you don’t swab right or at right time it won’t pick it up.

The negative test is apparently even worse, the anti body tests indicate pretty much everyone that has an anti body test has it but was asymptomatic including a lot of the test America are doing in prisons and homeless shelters it seems like majority are testing positive but never had one symptom.

We have no idea how best to treat it, we apparently need Ventilators yet more than half of people who go on the ventilators end up dying and apparently they do more damage than help because it’s lack of oxygen and not lung damage.

For one doctor that says something another doctor says something else similar with experts. One day it’s the social distancing not the lockdown then it’s the lockdown. One says anti bodies help because of immunity but then others say you cant get immunity

I honestly have no idea anymore, I felt like from the tests America were doing it seemed like a lot more people than we think have had it or it has been around longer since official however that is kind of ruled out by the fact there is no huge spike of deaths until March, as it’s to much of a coincidence to think loads of people had it in Jan/Feb but nobody really died (could of been undiagnosed but I mean there was no spike in total deaths at all and we’d have expected a 1,000 or 2,000 even on a lower / early level)

Does lockdown work? Does social distancing work? Is it just general spikes or reduced spikes? Can we get a vaccine realistically? What’s the true mortality rate? How many have had this? Where did it start? When did it start? Is testing accurate? Can anti body tests be accurate? Will it come back every year seasonally? If it can come back seasonally does that mean it’s natural? Can you be immune from it? If so how long does that immunity last?

There’s so many questions none of us know the real answers so everything we say is guess work, and it’s worrying in 2 months (longer for China) that none of these well paid and smart scientists or experts have learned absolutely anything credible or fully accurate about this thing yet

It’s a complete mind fk

We apparently still don’t have mass testing or accurate testing as there is so many false positives and negatives, apparently it’s something to do with the test swabbing as it could be gone but then an hour later appear again and if you don’t swab right or at right time it won’t pick it up.
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Just read that a new test with over 99% accuracy was approved this week across Europe. I hope thats the test they were waiting on and distribute it fast. Could really make an unimaginable difference.

And then even forgetting economy damage and weakening our immune systems it gets to the point whereby do we just keep living in fear of getting it and dying or do we just get on with our lives and hope for the best like we do in general, we don’t stop walking down roads because a car might lose control and kill us, we don’t wake up everyday thinking we might have a brain tumour or cancer we don’t worry all day everyday about the loads of other ways that can and do kill people, we haven’t run and hid from other flu’s viruses or killers. Face masks pre-2020 were never advised for anything.

Fact is if they can come up with a vaccine it’ll take 2 years to roll out and how do we know if it will even work? There’s still debate about whether other vaccines actually really work.

I mean it just hits the point do we just get on with our lives and hope for the best everyday like we were pre-corona and just add covid as another way we might die. It’s not a nice way to live like this and it’s not really living, must be killing people mentally especially old people being told they have to stay indoors and can’t see their kids or grandkids or hug them, gets to the point where you’d rather just die or take your chances anyway

It’s just so fackin tough what’s best to do because there’s no evidence this can be eradicated. 2 months and they’ve learned nothing credible or worthwhile on the best solution and a way we can end it permanently

And btw by that post I’m still adhering to everything and will adhere to everything as I wouldn’t want to potentially kill someone else, I’ve always washed my hands and not coughed or spluttered in front of people without covering my mouth or nose in general.

I’m just making the point it gets to the point and will for many how long do we spend our whole lives living in fear

The lockdown is only designed to control how many people get the virus at any time, not to stop us getting it.I am still expecting most of the population to get it at some time, the important thing is that the NHS can cope with the numbers needing them. They are coping so a small relaxing, maybe some schools back, would be doable to let e few more people catch it.
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So if we all do get it, how many deaths does that translate to?
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Assuming a death rate of 0.1% the UK will have about 65,000, so we are half way there. By next April this will be around the total of deaths I think.

It would also have been around the same total if we hadn’t completely trashed the economy and destroyed hundreds and thousands of jobs. We’ve bought a few thousand people a couple of extra months life sat home alone anxious and frightened without the comfort of their loved ones.

Haven’t we done well?

comment by Oscar. 2019 YEAR OF THE MACK! #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 3 minutes ago
And then even forgetting economy damage and weakening our immune systems it gets to the point whereby do we just keep living in fear of getting it and dying or do we just get on with our lives and hope for the best like we do in general, we don’t stop walking down roads because a car might lose control and kill us, we don’t wake up everyday thinking we might have a brain tumour or cancer we don’t worry all day everyday about the loads of other ways that can and do kill people, we haven’t run and hid from other flu’s viruses or killers. Face masks pre-2020 were never advised for anything.

Fact is if they can come up with a vaccine it’ll take 2 years to roll out and how do we know if it will even work? There’s still debate about whether other vaccines actually really work.

I mean it just hits the point do we just get on with our lives and hope for the best everyday like we were pre-corona and just add covid as another way we might die. It’s not a nice way to live like this and it’s not really living, must be killing people mentally especially old people being told they have to stay indoors and can’t see their kids or grandkids or hug them, gets to the point where you’d rather just die or take your chances anyway

It’s just so fackin tough what’s best to do because there’s no evidence this can be eradicated. 2 months and they’ve learned nothing credible or worthwhile on the best solution and a way we can end it permanently
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This.

comment by LoneWolf - Rebel Without A Cause (U22026)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
The lockdown is only designed to control how many people get the virus at any time, not to stop us getting it.I am still expecting most of the population to get it at some time, the important thing is that the NHS can cope with the numbers needing them. They are coping so a small relaxing, maybe some schools back, would be doable to let e few more people catch it.
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So if we all do get it, how many deaths does that translate to?
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Assuming a death rate of 0.1% the UK will have about 65,000, so we are half way there. By next April this will be around the total of deaths I think.

It would also have been around the same total if we hadn’t completely trashed the economy and destroyed hundreds and thousands of jobs. We’ve bought a few thousand people a couple of extra months life sat home alone anxious and frightened without the comfort of their loved ones.

Haven’t we done well?
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Nope, that’s utter tripe.

If we’d have let R0 run wild and infected everyone across the country at the same time, we’d have seen:

- many more COVID-19 related deaths
- many more non-COVID-19 related deaths
- *far* more serious economic issues
- a raft of other problems, including in transport, policing and security, and food supply

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/coronavirus-8-month-structured-lockdowns-may-halve-economic-damage.html

Assuming a death rate of 0.1%
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Which we haven't in any way determined. Early Germany during mass testing at 0.38% or Iceland at 0.55% are probably the closest scientifically derived. If random population antibody tests were conducted, to determine spread of virus, we would have a better idea. If it was indeed 0.1 percent the government absolutely would be opening up now.

comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 7 minutes ago
Assuming a death rate of 0.1%
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Which we haven't in any way determined. Early Germany during mass testing at 0.38% or Iceland at 0.55% are probably the closest scientifically derived. If random population antibody tests were conducted, to determine spread of virus, we would have a better idea. If it was indeed 0.1 percent the government absolutely would be opening up now.
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According to EU summary data, 2.4% of cases require respiratory support and/or ventilation.

In LoneWolf’s “sod the lockdown” scenario giving R0 the opportunity to run wild, if you allow, say, 50% of the UK population the opportunity to become infected in a period of 60 days, by my maths you need to be able to provide respiratory support or ventilation for around 200,000 people at a time.

As of mid-April, the UK had 91,700 acute care beds.

I don’t think it takes a genius to recognise that the morbidity rate would not be hovering around 0.5%, never mind 0.1%, under those circumstances.

I would guess that around 40% ~ 50% of the UK population have already had the virus. Now do your maths again based on that assumption.

comment by LoneWolf - Rebel Without A Cause (U22026)
posted 3 minutes ago
I would guess that around 40% ~ 50% of the UK population have already had the virus. Now do your maths again based on that assumption.
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What is your guess based on?

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