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If BAME players are not comfortable going in for training then that should be respected.
Its just another reason why this ridiculous (lets keep Liverpool happy) restart should not be happening.
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Not at all its more of a culture of pick and choose what rules Brits want to follow. Every German footballer followed the football return rules and it is going well so far.
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yes, but Germany got it right in the 1st place, a lot less infected and death's.
I'm sure we would all feel safer if we had those figures instead of ours.
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Thats a far too well reasoned argument for Lpool fans.
They just want it back on under any stupid circumstances and refuse to accept the extent to which the integrity of this season has been destroyed.
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Stop making things up, it’s embarrassing.
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Haha, I've been involved in more than a few of these debates on here in recent weeks and whats embarrassing is the desperation Lpool fans have to finish the season whatever it takes.
In terms of the socio-economic argument for increased morbidity and mortality rates in BAME front line workers, it would be interesting to compare the numbers of consultant medical staff affected in terms of white/bame ethnicity
I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
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I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
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The truth is that we do not yet know.
I mean this with the greatest respect; I know you like to decide what you think is logical and then stick with the POV but this is a different ball game... completely understand why these players are hesitant of returning.
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I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
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The truth is that we do not yet know.
I mean this with the greatest respect; I know you like to decide what you think is logical and then stick with the POV.
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So maximum disrespect.
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Maximum disrespect? Get lost you muppet.
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I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
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The truth is that we do not yet know.
I mean this with the greatest respect; I know you like to decide what you think is logical and then stick with the POV but this is a different ball game... completely understand why these players are hesitant of returning.
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I didn't decide it, I read it, in relation to other things. That's why I thought it and asked the question. If somebody tells me different, with evidence to back it up, I'm hardly going to stick to what I thought, since it's an area I have no knowledge in.
At some point in the future, maybe years ahead, the necessary analysis will be done. This virus is ruthless. It doesn't give a damn how rich you are, how famous you are or how important you think you are within your circle.
One thing that is universally agreed upon, is that people with underlying medical conditions and of a certain age are going to be the most affected.
Having said all that, I do also believe there is some genetic anomaly going on. Maybe the scientists will eventually discover what this is. There has to be more going on here than we currently realise
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I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
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The truth is that we do not yet know.
I mean this with the greatest respect; I know you like to decide what you think is logical and then stick with the POV.
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So maximum disrespect.
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I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
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The truth is that we do not yet know.
I mean this with the greatest respect; I know you like to decide what you think is logical and then stick with the POV but this is a different ball game... completely understand why these players are hesitant of returning.
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I didn't decide it, I read it, in relation to other things. That's why I thought it and asked the question. If somebody tells me different, with evidence to back it up, I'm hardly going to stick to what I thought, since it's an area I have no knowledge in.
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The point is TOOR, as with most things in relation to this virus, there is more than one logical answer.
As I said, the truth is that no one knows.
Term.
How you and yours holding up, mate?
Having said all that, I do also believe there is some genetic anomaly going on. Maybe the scientists will eventually discover what this is. There has to be more going on here than we currently realise
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Genetic anomaly? Let's wait to see what the numbers are in Asia, Africa and other parts of the world. That will prove whether it's a biological issue or geographical location issue. Like the other flus, I think the numbers will add up in the end.
I don't think it could be a 'genetic anomaly' as the numbers seem to be slightly lower in most of Asia and Africa at this time as compared to the west.
IMO the average Joe will have a hard time understanding how this works, myself included of course. The effect of covid in relation to wealth distribution would be interesting too.
The link won't post but there is a website listing the propensity to various diseases depending on race. The moment you move from your "natural habitat" to another part of the world, said propensity can increase by up to 20 times in some cases.
Thor, I agree with you in general. But I heard yesterday that Russia are putting the underlying health condition on their death certificates. So if someone dies from Cancer but also tests positive for COVID then Cancer is certified as cause of death. In the UK we do the exact opposite.
Now why would we want to inflate our COVID deaths and Russia want to downplay them???
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Thor, I agree with you in general. But I heard yesterday that Russia are putting the underlying health condition on their death certificates. So if someone dies from Cancer but also tests positive for COVID then Cancer is certified as cause of death. In the UK we do the exact opposite.
Now why would we want to inflate our COVID deaths and Russia want to downplay them???
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From your statement, we are not inflating. We are reporting properly while Russia are deflating. We could speculate, there could be a number of reasons for the deflating numbers, probably want to look like they're doing a better job than they are, come out smelling like roses internationally and locally.
The death rate from covid in India is 0.2%. 3,500 deaths from 118,000 cases. We have 30,000 dead from 234,000 cases. All Lower than England, however, the 1.5m British Indians in the UK are 4.3 times as likely to die from covid!
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Thor, I agree with you in general. But I heard yesterday that Russia are putting the underlying health condition on their death certificates. So if someone dies from Cancer but also tests positive for COVID then Cancer is certified as cause of death. In the UK we do the exact opposite.
Now why would we want to inflate our COVID deaths and Russia want to downplay them???
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Where is the proof somebody died of cancer but COVID-19 was put on their death certificate?
Strictly speaking TOOR, it’s a medical certificate of cause of death (MCCD), in which all conditions will be listed: sequence leading to death, underlying cause, and contributory causes.
So someone dying from cancer who has Covid-19 will have both put on the certificate.
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Thor, I agree with you in general. But I heard yesterday that Russia are putting the underlying health condition on their death certificates. So if someone dies from Cancer but also tests positive for COVID then Cancer is certified as cause of death. In the UK we do the exact opposite.
Now why would we want to inflate our COVID deaths and Russia want to downplay them???
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Where is the proof somebody died of cancer but COVID-19 was put on their death certificate?
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Last week a 84 year old doctor dies. SKY News made a big deal of it and interviewed a number of his colleagues and former patients. Rightfully so imo. But then they put up an image of his death certificate. This was the first time I had ever seen an official death certificate.
It clearly stated cause of death
1. Cancer
2. Possible COVID-19 infection
3. Heart Disease
He is now in the COVID death stats
Very very sad because every death is a tragedy to a family and loved ones
Without seeing that sky report, It could be that
Cancer was the sequence leading to death (1)
Covid-19 was an underlying cause (2)
Heart disease was a contributory cause (3)
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Without seeing that sky report, It could be that
Cancer was the sequence leading to death (1)
Covid-19 was an underlying cause (2)
Heart disease was a contributory cause (3)
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100% Ripley. But when the final analysis is done, he wont be in the Cancer stats, he will be one of the current 36+ thousand COVID stats
When it comes to stats, I don’t think it’s a case of “one OR the other”. He will be in the cancer stats as well. And also heart disease.
It’s just that, especially at this moment in time, death from cancer isn’t being reported as a daily figure in the media (or indeed in the government briefings), while Covid-19 obviously is.
Have a look at the ONS, who update on a weekly basis if I remember correctly
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Thor, I agree with you in general. But I heard yesterday that Russia are putting the underlying health condition on their death certificates. So if someone dies from Cancer but also tests positive for COVID then Cancer is certified as cause of death. In the UK we do the exact opposite.
Now why would we want to inflate our COVID deaths and Russia want to downplay them???
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Where is the proof somebody died of cancer but COVID-19 was put on their death certificate?
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Last week a 84 year old doctor dies. SKY News made a big deal of it and interviewed a number of his colleagues and former patients. Rightfully so imo. But then they put up an image of his death certificate. This was the first time I had ever seen an official death certificate.
It clearly stated cause of death
1. Cancer
2. Possible COVID-19 infection
3. Heart Disease
He is now in the COVID death stats
Very very sad because every death is a tragedy to a family and loved ones
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Well that makes perfect sense to me. I don't see the issue.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 4 minutes ago
When it comes to stats, I don’t think it’s a case of “one OR the other”. He will be in the cancer stats as well. And also heart disease.
It’s just that, especially at this moment in time, death from cancer isn’t being reported as a daily figure in the media (or indeed in the government briefings), while Covid-19 obviously is.
Have a look at the ONS, who update on a weekly basis if I remember correctly
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You are right about the ONS releasing weekly stats.
But how can he be in all 3 categories. Surely that means one person dying counts as three. He has to be placed in one or the other. I again reiterate that every death is incredibly sad, but it is particularly important in these times that deaths are reported accurately and transparently
Yeah, that’s what I was wondering when I said about the ONS. Whether there is an overlap when it comes to causes of death or whether they just list one cause.
It’s probably the latter I would imagine. So while as far as media reports and briefings regarding covid would include him as a covid death, it might not be listed as a covid death on the ONS.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 13 minutes ago
Yeah, that’s what I was wondering when I said about the ONS. Whether there is an overlap when it comes to causes of death or whether they just list one cause.
It’s probably the latter I would imagine. So while as far as media reports and briefings regarding covid would include him as a covid death, it might not be listed as a covid death on the ONS.
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This. You have hit the nail on the head. I don't want under reporting or over reporting. Just the true figures and transparency. A large part of the country are scared shiiitless by this virus. It serves no purpose to make everyone's anxiety worse
Totally agree. I do think the anxiety of the fatality of Covid is reducing among people (as in more are thinking if I do catch it, I’ll recover), but that worry is being replaced by a mental health anxiety that is perpetuated by not knowing what is going to happen in our lives regarding money, jobs, length of time we are expected to go on like this.
I think the media are playing a dangerous (for want of a better word) game. There is scaremongering going on, and people are in danger of turning on each other.
Mixed messages being sent out. While people are still dying. But from what actual cause are they dying from?
I, for one, am getting frustrated and quite down about it all. As I imagine many are.
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posted on 22/5/20
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 minutes ago
If BAME players are not comfortable going in for training then that should be respected.
Its just another reason why this ridiculous (lets keep Liverpool happy) restart should not be happening.
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Not at all its more of a culture of pick and choose what rules Brits want to follow. Every German footballer followed the football return rules and it is going well so far.
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yes, but Germany got it right in the 1st place, a lot less infected and death's.
I'm sure we would all feel safer if we had those figures instead of ours.
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Thats a far too well reasoned argument for Lpool fans.
They just want it back on under any stupid circumstances and refuse to accept the extent to which the integrity of this season has been destroyed.
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Stop making things up, it’s embarrassing.
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Haha, I've been involved in more than a few of these debates on here in recent weeks and whats embarrassing is the desperation Lpool fans have to finish the season whatever it takes.
posted on 22/5/20
In terms of the socio-economic argument for increased morbidity and mortality rates in BAME front line workers, it would be interesting to compare the numbers of consultant medical staff affected in terms of white/bame ethnicity
posted on 22/5/20
I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
posted on 22/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
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The truth is that we do not yet know.
I mean this with the greatest respect; I know you like to decide what you think is logical and then stick with the POV but this is a different ball game... completely understand why these players are hesitant of returning.
posted on 22/5/20
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posted on 22/5/20
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
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The truth is that we do not yet know.
I mean this with the greatest respect; I know you like to decide what you think is logical and then stick with the POV.
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So maximum disrespect.
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Maximum disrespect? Get lost you muppet.
posted on 22/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
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The truth is that we do not yet know.
I mean this with the greatest respect; I know you like to decide what you think is logical and then stick with the POV but this is a different ball game... completely understand why these players are hesitant of returning.
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I didn't decide it, I read it, in relation to other things. That's why I thought it and asked the question. If somebody tells me different, with evidence to back it up, I'm hardly going to stick to what I thought, since it's an area I have no knowledge in.
posted on 22/5/20
At some point in the future, maybe years ahead, the necessary analysis will be done. This virus is ruthless. It doesn't give a damn how rich you are, how famous you are or how important you think you are within your circle.
One thing that is universally agreed upon, is that people with underlying medical conditions and of a certain age are going to be the most affected.
Having said all that, I do also believe there is some genetic anomaly going on. Maybe the scientists will eventually discover what this is. There has to be more going on here than we currently realise
posted on 22/5/20
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
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The truth is that we do not yet know.
I mean this with the greatest respect; I know you like to decide what you think is logical and then stick with the POV.
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So maximum disrespect.
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posted on 22/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
I thought the reason BAME people were affected more was due to more percentage living closer to the poverty line and in more densely populated areas, not because of their ethnicity. If this is the case, surely black footballers don't have this issue?
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The truth is that we do not yet know.
I mean this with the greatest respect; I know you like to decide what you think is logical and then stick with the POV but this is a different ball game... completely understand why these players are hesitant of returning.
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I didn't decide it, I read it, in relation to other things. That's why I thought it and asked the question. If somebody tells me different, with evidence to back it up, I'm hardly going to stick to what I thought, since it's an area I have no knowledge in.
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The point is TOOR, as with most things in relation to this virus, there is more than one logical answer.
As I said, the truth is that no one knows.
posted on 22/5/20
Term.
How you and yours holding up, mate?
posted on 22/5/20
Having said all that, I do also believe there is some genetic anomaly going on. Maybe the scientists will eventually discover what this is. There has to be more going on here than we currently realise
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Genetic anomaly? Let's wait to see what the numbers are in Asia, Africa and other parts of the world. That will prove whether it's a biological issue or geographical location issue. Like the other flus, I think the numbers will add up in the end.
I don't think it could be a 'genetic anomaly' as the numbers seem to be slightly lower in most of Asia and Africa at this time as compared to the west.
IMO the average Joe will have a hard time understanding how this works, myself included of course. The effect of covid in relation to wealth distribution would be interesting too.
The link won't post but there is a website listing the propensity to various diseases depending on race. The moment you move from your "natural habitat" to another part of the world, said propensity can increase by up to 20 times in some cases.
posted on 22/5/20
Thor, I agree with you in general. But I heard yesterday that Russia are putting the underlying health condition on their death certificates. So if someone dies from Cancer but also tests positive for COVID then Cancer is certified as cause of death. In the UK we do the exact opposite.
Now why would we want to inflate our COVID deaths and Russia want to downplay them???
posted on 22/5/20
comment by Covid 19 - 0 Bolton (U3090)
posted 58 seconds ago
Thor, I agree with you in general. But I heard yesterday that Russia are putting the underlying health condition on their death certificates. So if someone dies from Cancer but also tests positive for COVID then Cancer is certified as cause of death. In the UK we do the exact opposite.
Now why would we want to inflate our COVID deaths and Russia want to downplay them???
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From your statement, we are not inflating. We are reporting properly while Russia are deflating. We could speculate, there could be a number of reasons for the deflating numbers, probably want to look like they're doing a better job than they are, come out smelling like roses internationally and locally.
The death rate from covid in India is 0.2%. 3,500 deaths from 118,000 cases. We have 30,000 dead from 234,000 cases. All Lower than England, however, the 1.5m British Indians in the UK are 4.3 times as likely to die from covid!
posted on 22/5/20
comment by Covid 19 - 0 Bolton (U3090)
posted 8 minutes ago
Thor, I agree with you in general. But I heard yesterday that Russia are putting the underlying health condition on their death certificates. So if someone dies from Cancer but also tests positive for COVID then Cancer is certified as cause of death. In the UK we do the exact opposite.
Now why would we want to inflate our COVID deaths and Russia want to downplay them???
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Where is the proof somebody died of cancer but COVID-19 was put on their death certificate?
posted on 22/5/20
Strictly speaking TOOR, it’s a medical certificate of cause of death (MCCD), in which all conditions will be listed: sequence leading to death, underlying cause, and contributory causes.
So someone dying from cancer who has Covid-19 will have both put on the certificate.
posted on 22/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Covid 19 - 0 Bolton (U3090)
posted 8 minutes ago
Thor, I agree with you in general. But I heard yesterday that Russia are putting the underlying health condition on their death certificates. So if someone dies from Cancer but also tests positive for COVID then Cancer is certified as cause of death. In the UK we do the exact opposite.
Now why would we want to inflate our COVID deaths and Russia want to downplay them???
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Where is the proof somebody died of cancer but COVID-19 was put on their death certificate?
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Last week a 84 year old doctor dies. SKY News made a big deal of it and interviewed a number of his colleagues and former patients. Rightfully so imo. But then they put up an image of his death certificate. This was the first time I had ever seen an official death certificate.
It clearly stated cause of death
1. Cancer
2. Possible COVID-19 infection
3. Heart Disease
He is now in the COVID death stats
Very very sad because every death is a tragedy to a family and loved ones
posted on 22/5/20
Without seeing that sky report, It could be that
Cancer was the sequence leading to death (1)
Covid-19 was an underlying cause (2)
Heart disease was a contributory cause (3)
posted on 22/5/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Without seeing that sky report, It could be that
Cancer was the sequence leading to death (1)
Covid-19 was an underlying cause (2)
Heart disease was a contributory cause (3)
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100% Ripley. But when the final analysis is done, he wont be in the Cancer stats, he will be one of the current 36+ thousand COVID stats
posted on 22/5/20
When it comes to stats, I don’t think it’s a case of “one OR the other”. He will be in the cancer stats as well. And also heart disease.
It’s just that, especially at this moment in time, death from cancer isn’t being reported as a daily figure in the media (or indeed in the government briefings), while Covid-19 obviously is.
Have a look at the ONS, who update on a weekly basis if I remember correctly
posted on 22/5/20
comment by Covid 19 - 0 Bolton (U3090)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Covid 19 - 0 Bolton (U3090)
posted 8 minutes ago
Thor, I agree with you in general. But I heard yesterday that Russia are putting the underlying health condition on their death certificates. So if someone dies from Cancer but also tests positive for COVID then Cancer is certified as cause of death. In the UK we do the exact opposite.
Now why would we want to inflate our COVID deaths and Russia want to downplay them???
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Where is the proof somebody died of cancer but COVID-19 was put on their death certificate?
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Last week a 84 year old doctor dies. SKY News made a big deal of it and interviewed a number of his colleagues and former patients. Rightfully so imo. But then they put up an image of his death certificate. This was the first time I had ever seen an official death certificate.
It clearly stated cause of death
1. Cancer
2. Possible COVID-19 infection
3. Heart Disease
He is now in the COVID death stats
Very very sad because every death is a tragedy to a family and loved ones
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Well that makes perfect sense to me. I don't see the issue.
posted on 22/5/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 4 minutes ago
When it comes to stats, I don’t think it’s a case of “one OR the other”. He will be in the cancer stats as well. And also heart disease.
It’s just that, especially at this moment in time, death from cancer isn’t being reported as a daily figure in the media (or indeed in the government briefings), while Covid-19 obviously is.
Have a look at the ONS, who update on a weekly basis if I remember correctly
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You are right about the ONS releasing weekly stats.
But how can he be in all 3 categories. Surely that means one person dying counts as three. He has to be placed in one or the other. I again reiterate that every death is incredibly sad, but it is particularly important in these times that deaths are reported accurately and transparently
posted on 22/5/20
Yeah, that’s what I was wondering when I said about the ONS. Whether there is an overlap when it comes to causes of death or whether they just list one cause.
It’s probably the latter I would imagine. So while as far as media reports and briefings regarding covid would include him as a covid death, it might not be listed as a covid death on the ONS.
posted on 22/5/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 13 minutes ago
Yeah, that’s what I was wondering when I said about the ONS. Whether there is an overlap when it comes to causes of death or whether they just list one cause.
It’s probably the latter I would imagine. So while as far as media reports and briefings regarding covid would include him as a covid death, it might not be listed as a covid death on the ONS.
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This. You have hit the nail on the head. I don't want under reporting or over reporting. Just the true figures and transparency. A large part of the country are scared shiiitless by this virus. It serves no purpose to make everyone's anxiety worse
posted on 22/5/20
Totally agree. I do think the anxiety of the fatality of Covid is reducing among people (as in more are thinking if I do catch it, I’ll recover), but that worry is being replaced by a mental health anxiety that is perpetuated by not knowing what is going to happen in our lives regarding money, jobs, length of time we are expected to go on like this.
I think the media are playing a dangerous (for want of a better word) game. There is scaremongering going on, and people are in danger of turning on each other.
Mixed messages being sent out. While people are still dying. But from what actual cause are they dying from?
I, for one, am getting frustrated and quite down about it all. As I imagine many are.
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