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posted on 13/12/23

If I dont see it as wasting money , thats the difference.
I think spending 7m on they two was wasting money.

500k not so much.

posted on 13/12/23

Its wasting money if they don't add any value. Can't see the value in spending £500k on someone who isn't better than what we have. I could understand the adding to the squad part if we didn't already have squad players in the same position already who he isn't any better than. Surely its just £500k to sit in the stands?

posted on 13/12/23

comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 7 seconds ago
Its wasting money if they don't add any value. Can't see the value in spending £500k on someone who isn't better than what we have. I could understand the adding to the squad part if we didn't already have squad players in the same position already who he isn't any better than. Surely its just £500k to sit in the stands?
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Ok you dont thikn he is better, I think he is.

I think he is better than Cantwell at RM, I think he is better than Wright at RM, I think he is better than Lammers at RM, better than Cifuentes at RM,

These are all guys that have played there for us this season , I think he is better than all of them in that position in Clements team.

I think he fits into Clements style of that high press and energy recovering the ball, is well suited to the league we play and helps us fill the quota for scots.

and if he was available for about 500k that would be a sensible buy for me. And free up money for other targets that might cost a bit more.

posted on 13/12/23

Neither Cantwell, Cifuentes or Lammers are RM though so that isn't really relevant.

The 2 RMs we have are Wright and McCausland, Matondo as well can play both sides.

Is he ahead of those 3? And if he is, is he so much further ahead that he improves us in that position?

posted on 13/12/23

comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 13 seconds ago
Neither Cantwell, Cifuentes or Lammers are RM though so that isn't really relevant.

The 2 RMs we have are Wright and McCausland, Matondo as well can play both sides.

Is he ahead of those 3? And if he is, is he so much further ahead that he improves us in that position?
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thats the point, he would be an addition to our squad and the players that have been forced to play there is evidence of that.

Matondo is miles better on the left, night and day IMO. Mcausland has done well. He is better than Matondo and Wright at RM IMO yes. We are short in that position and if we can pick up a player that I think, is better options that what we have at RM, would fill a quota we are short in and is well suited to the league we play in for 500k then that wouldnt be throwing money around or wasting it.

Clement has tried about 6 players in that position so far with only Mcausland showing up there IMO the rest have failed.

posted on 13/12/23

I think my concern is the RMs we have aren't good enough and to your point have failed and nothing I've seen of Armstrong or his career & numbers suggests he would be any better. But all about opinions.

posted on 13/12/23

I think he is better than the options we have.

His numbers are decent and his style of play will suit Clement IMO.

he scores or assists in every other game for Killie, thats pretty decent numbers, I think they numbers would improve with us.

comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 13/12/23

i think he looks like a decent player, but i don't think he is one you bring in to improve your fortunes.

we would be decent backup maybe in the league, but thats about it.

now if you don't mind i'm prepping to go see mikey johnston or james forrest play the most boring football possible and then lsiten to the manager blame them for it.

posted on 13/12/23

I hope you do go and sign him. In fact I encourage it

comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 13/12/23

imagine we lose the league to a team with lammers and dessers in it.

we should riot if that happens.

posted on 13/12/23

comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 38 seconds ago
I hope you do go and sign him. In fact I encourage it
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I dont think anyone should be signed til we speak to Lex

posted on 13/12/23

comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago
imagine we lose the league to a team with lammers and dessers in it.

we should riot if that happens.
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Dessers is every bit as poor as Oh.

posted on 13/12/23

Does Armstrong not get most of his assists/chances from set pieces? Not the quality that we need to improve. Maybe improves on Wright, yet doubt he’d pop up with same quality Wright has at Hampden. Would want a new RW and McAusland backup

posted on 13/12/23

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 4 minutes ago
Does Armstrong not get most of his assists/chances from set pieces? Not the quality that we need to improve. Maybe improves on Wright, yet doubt he’d pop up with same quality Wright has at Hampden. Would want a new RW and McAusland backup
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but we have to do so with a budget in mind IMO. We need a CM, a RM, and a CF as a bare minimum in the winter window. Would I get Armstrong if I had 3m to spend no. would I go get him for 500k if possible to allow us to go get other players in other positions needed, then yes I would.

comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 13/12/23

oh is 22 to be fair, but i think very rough around the edges.

better than klimala and some of the other schite we have signed.

dessers is 29 and a lump.

posted on 13/12/23

comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 40 seconds ago
oh is 22 to be fair, but i think very rough around the edges.

better than klimala and some of the other schite we have signed.

dessers is 29 and a lump.
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true but you said this season. both are rotten this season and one will win the league this year. For every Dessers/Lammers we have you have a Oh/Bernabei/Yang

posted on 13/12/23

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 4 minutes ago
Does Armstrong not get most of his assists/chances from set pieces? Not the quality that we need to improve. Maybe improves on Wright, yet doubt he’d pop up with same quality Wright has at Hampden. Would want a new RW and McAusland backup
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but we have to do so with a budget in mind IMO. We need a CM, a RM, and a CF as a bare minimum in the winter window. Would I get Armstrong if I had 3m to spend no. would I go get him for 500k if possible to allow us to go get other players in other positions needed, then yes I would.
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He’s not a long term option, so even 500k isn’t worth it for me. Also not sure if that’s a realistic value. Would rather we spend what we have to improve in a couple positions properly rather than a short term option that we’d need to improve on in 6 months.

Jan is a good time for cheap loans if anything

comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 13/12/23

Oh should be backup and no more.

disgusts me that people are suggesting he should play over kyogo just to make up for our managers shortcomings.

posted on 13/12/23

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 4 minutes ago
Does Armstrong not get most of his assists/chances from set pieces? Not the quality that we need to improve. Maybe improves on Wright, yet doubt he’d pop up with same quality Wright has at Hampden. Would want a new RW and McAusland backup
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but we have to do so with a budget in mind IMO. We need a CM, a RM, and a CF as a bare minimum in the winter window. Would I get Armstrong if I had 3m to spend no. would I go get him for 500k if possible to allow us to go get other players in other positions needed, then yes I would.
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He’s not a long term option, so even 500k isn’t worth it for me. Also not sure if that’s a realistic value. Would rather we spend what we have to improve in a couple positions properly rather than a short term option that we’d need to improve on in 6 months.

Jan is a good time for cheap loans if anything
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He would be a long term squad player IMO to fill quotas and help. And in the short term would defo feature a lot this season IMO.

he would be like a Candeias. We are in a league challenge right now and we badly need players in 3 positions and wont have a lot of money to do so IMO.

the loan market could be decent tbf for this season.

I also think we should look at loans for more expensive buys (with an option to buy) to try and remove some of the risk involved.

posted on 13/12/23

comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 4 minutes ago
Oh should be backup and no more.

disgusts me that people are suggesting he should play over kyogo just to make up for our managers shortcomings.
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likewise for Dessers and Lammers.

I dont think Oh is a better player than Kyogo thats just silly talk ... I do think Oh fits Rodgers style of play and system better than Kyogo however.

And if you look at Rodgers signing history of strikers it very much reflects that.

posted on 13/12/23

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 4 minutes ago
Does Armstrong not get most of his assists/chances from set pieces? Not the quality that we need to improve. Maybe improves on Wright, yet doubt he’d pop up with same quality Wright has at Hampden. Would want a new RW and McAusland backup
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but we have to do so with a budget in mind IMO. We need a CM, a RM, and a CF as a bare minimum in the winter window. Would I get Armstrong if I had 3m to spend no. would I go get him for 500k if possible to allow us to go get other players in other positions needed, then yes I would.
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He’s not a long term option, so even 500k isn’t worth it for me. Also not sure if that’s a realistic value. Would rather we spend what we have to improve in a couple positions properly rather than a short term option that we’d need to improve on in 6 months.

Jan is a good time for cheap loans if anything
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He would be a long term squad player IMO to fill quotas and help. And in the short term would defo feature a lot this season IMO.

he would be like a Candeias. We are in a league challenge right now and we badly need players in 3 positions and wont have a lot of money to do so IMO.

the loan market could be decent tbf for this season.

I also think we should look at loans for more expensive buys (with an option to buy) to try and remove some of the risk involved.
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We have too many squad players. We need players to improve the first team. In terms of long term, he's 26 just now he's not a kid. He's done nothing of note in his entire career but has shown up here and there in a couple of games against the OF without really doing a great deal in terms of end product, I'm sure there are far better options out there.

posted on 13/12/23

Btw not going to sit and pretend Dessers has been a great signing. But we have had far worse. He's on 7 goals this season which is more than Danilo, more than Oh and only 1 fewer than Kyogo despite being second choice since Clement came in.

He has under delivered vs initial expectations but given the hard time he's had from all quarters there have been far worse centre forwards to play for us in recent years who haven't had anywhere near the same stick.

posted on 13/12/23

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by Call Sign (U3627)
posted 38 seconds ago
I hope you do go and sign him. In fact I encourage it
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I dont think anyone should be signed til we speak to Lex
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comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 13/12/23

comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 1 minute ago
Btw not going to sit and pretend Dessers has been a great signing. But we have had far worse. He's on 7 goals this season which is more than Danilo, more than Oh and only 1 fewer than Kyogo despite being second choice since Clement came in.

He has under delivered vs initial expectations but given the hard time he's had from all quarters there have been far worse centre forwards to play for us in recent years who haven't had anywhere near the same stick.
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not really fair to compare him to kyogo, dessers gets the ball sometimes.

posted on 13/12/23

comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 4 minutes ago
Does Armstrong not get most of his assists/chances from set pieces? Not the quality that we need to improve. Maybe improves on Wright, yet doubt he’d pop up with same quality Wright has at Hampden. Would want a new RW and McAusland backup
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but we have to do so with a budget in mind IMO. We need a CM, a RM, and a CF as a bare minimum in the winter window. Would I get Armstrong if I had 3m to spend no. would I go get him for 500k if possible to allow us to go get other players in other positions needed, then yes I would.
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He’s not a long term option, so even 500k isn’t worth it for me. Also not sure if that’s a realistic value. Would rather we spend what we have to improve in a couple positions properly rather than a short term option that we’d need to improve on in 6 months.

Jan is a good time for cheap loans if anything
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He would be a long term squad player IMO to fill quotas and help. And in the short term would defo feature a lot this season IMO.

he would be like a Candeias. We are in a league challenge right now and we badly need players in 3 positions and wont have a lot of money to do so IMO.

the loan market could be decent tbf for this season.

I also think we should look at loans for more expensive buys (with an option to buy) to try and remove some of the risk involved.
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We have too many squad players. We need players to improve the first team. In terms of long term, he's 26 just now he's not a kid. He's done nothing of note in his entire career but has shown up here and there in a couple of games against the OF without really doing a great deal in terms of end product, I'm sure there are far better options out there.
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He wouldnt be a squad player this season he would be a first choice IMO. Wright is off at the end off the season i think, he would be a long term squad player and a short term 1st team choice.

He has done very well the last two seasons and outperformed any winger we have had in that time.

You might be judging him in his OF games that he has show up well in but he has been excellent for Kilmarnock for 2 seasons now.

he has a goal contribution in every 2nd match at Killie and those numbers will likely improve with us.

He was always a technically good player, but since that spell in the championship his workrate has improved a fair bit.

I think he improves us and leaves money to further improve in the needed positions. Depends on his price for me if Killie asked for more than 500-700k then I wouldnt bother.

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