comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m sure many people do believe being racist and xenophobic makes them patriotic, doesn’t make it true.
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Again, it makes it a different version of being patriotic to yours, whether it's right or wrong.
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You just don’t understand what these words mean, Spurtle.

comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
I’m sure many people do believe being racist and xenophobic makes them patriotic, doesn’t make it true.
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People can also be patriotic without being xenophobic and racist, but that's not a position you seem willing to acknowledge
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Do you think those raising flags during this time are just being patriotic? Be honest. We are talking about the raise the flag movement. Not just putting up flags in general through the whole of time
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Perhaps there should be a Black Flags Matter movement?

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m sure many people do believe being racist and xenophobic makes them patriotic, doesn’t make it true.
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Again, it makes it a different version of being patriotic to yours, whether it's right or wrong.
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You just don’t understand what these words mean, Spurtle.
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I know what they mean. I don't think loving their country and being racist or xenophobic are mutually exclusive for these people.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 33 seconds ago
Isn't devon the one that claimed that the Tommy Robinson protest last month wasn't a hate march and then a few people posted videos of of a few people in that march that were spouting hate and he went completely silent over it.

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no.

I was the one who was pretty much on there all day, making the case that not everyone there should be judged as the same sort of person as the worst sort of people there (acknowledged there a large number of hateful folk too)

Then, after literally hours and hours of commenting (first 10 pages of posts i think) i gave it a break.

Sorry to ruin your misremembering with some facts.

Here's another fact....

You're guy who started foaming at the mouth when RED said he supported the Tommy sleep outclassic!

You were angry! Hope you aint white and middle class too as that can only mean one thing

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I was hardly angry, I honestly had no idea what the Tommy sleep out thing was, It was a bit strange that Red decided to mention that on a thread about Tommy Robinson though. I acknowledged I made an error though.

You’ve mad it clear you don’t and keep trying to move the goal posts to provide cover for the actions of these diiiiiickheads.

*made

comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder how many racists and xenophobia there were in the counter protest.
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Probably a few anti-semites I reckon.
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lol, what do you base that on?
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I think it's fair to say that much of the pro-Palestinian crowd are aligned with those who believe the Unite the Kingdom movement is wrong and I've seen enough anti-semitism among the pro-Palestinian protestors, based on what I've seen.

...in video clips.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder how many racists and xenophobia there were in the counter protest.
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Probably a few anti-semites I reckon.
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lol, what do you base that on?
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I think it's fair to say that much of the pro-Palestinian crowd are aligned with those who believe the Unite the Kingdom movement is wrong and I've seen enough anti-semitism among the pro-Palestinian protestors, based on what I've seen.
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I suspect you’re conflating anti-semitism with anti-Israel, and let’s be honest, semantics doesn’t seem your strong point.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
You’ve mad it clear you don’t and keep trying to move the goal posts to provide cover for the actions of these diiiiiickheads.
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I'm just not generalising to think they are all diiiickheads in terms of your interpretation of who you have them down as being.

comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
I’m sure many people do believe being racist and xenophobic makes them patriotic, doesn’t make it true.
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People can also be patriotic without being xenophobic and racist, but that's not a position you seem willing to acknowledge
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Do you think those raising flags during this time are just being patriotic? Be honest. We are talking about the raise the flag movement. Not just putting up flags in general through the whole of time
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No. There will be many whose motivations are willfully hateful. There will be plenty who are the "im not racist but...." group whose 'patriotism' is perhaps misplaced, may not from a hateful place, more just an ignorance, but there will also be some who, regardless of the immigration issue, want to stand up for the right to be patriotic, be proud, not ashamed of our flag, almost in defiance.

Part of this whole issue is about people feeling they have to feel ashamed of this country and while i can absolutely accept that the more hateful elements have hijacked our flag to a degree, they have spun this with a more palatable message, which has drawn a lot of people in.

I have a neighbour, old guy, about 6 doors down and he's always had a flag up. He doesnt fit the stereotype that many would paint, and his reasoning for keeping the flag fly is purely down to a pride (as it always has been) reinforced by the sense of defiance that no one can shame him based on his reasoning which no one cares to listen to before judging him. not all of those people are at the worst end of the extremes, but thats how many judge all of them.

That's what my point of difference is.

You’re just posting contrarian word salad.

comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder how many racists and xenophobia there were in the counter protest.
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Probably a few anti-semites I reckon.
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lol, what do you base that on?
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I think it's fair to say that much of the pro-Palestinian crowd are aligned with those who believe the Unite the Kingdom movement is wrong and I've seen enough anti-semitism among the pro-Palestinian protestors, based on what I've seen.
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I suspect you’re conflating anti-semitism with anti-Israel, and let’s be honest, semantics doesn’t seem your strong point.
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I think you're incredibly naive if you think that those protesting will only have an anti-Israel stance.

As you just picked up in your post above, there are going to be different extremes to either side.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
You’ve mad it clear you don’t and keep trying to move the goal posts to provide cover for the actions of these diiiiiickheads.
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I'm just not generalising to think they are all diiiickheads in terms of your interpretation of who you have them down as being.
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Everyone who is raising flags during the raise the flag campaign is a diiickhead, yes. Happy to generalise. Those who pretend they are doing it for non anti immigrant reasons are lying.

I am sure there were plenty of gas engineers in Poland during the early 40s. But if you were specifically at Auschwitz at those specific times, and installing the showers there, I am not having it that you were just an innocent gas engineer going about your job for non jew killy reasons.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 35 seconds ago
You’re just posting contrarian word salad.
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Not really, you just don't want to admit that there are different interpretations to the idea of patriotism.

What are you actually basing it on? You think the people protesting genocide are also racists, but only to the Jewish?

What about the Orthodox Jews that are protesting, are they anti-Semitic? Genuine question.

People can also be patriotic without being xenophobic and racist,

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Of course people can and the vast majority of us are. Including myself.

But not very often whilst marching through diverse City centres on politicaly motivated, anti-immigration marches orgainsed by Tommy Robinson and the English (&Jewish) Defence League. In fact, never. If you find yourself marching on one of those marches waving a British/English flag, it can and does only mean one thing.

comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder how many racists and xenophobia there were in the counter protest.
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Probably a few anti-semites I reckon.
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lol, what do you base that on?
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I think it's fair to say that much of the pro-Palestinian crowd are aligned with those who believe the Unite the Kingdom movement is wrong and I've seen enough anti-semitism among the pro-Palestinian protestors, based on what I've seen.
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I suspect you’re conflating anti-semitism with anti-Israel, and let’s be honest, semantics doesn’t seem your strong point.
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SO can someone who wants to see changes to how immigration is handled and how asylum seekers are housed etc, without being deemed racist.

Not everyone who sees problems in the current system believes in a "send them all home" or "shut the borders" solution.

Cool story Devon. Thought you wanted to go separate ways? Are you really angry still?

comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the ho... (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Cool story Devon. Thought you wanted to go separate ways? Are you really angry still?
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Silly me for actually thinking you'd "converse" intelligently

comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
You’ve mad it clear you don’t and keep trying to move the goal posts to provide cover for the actions of these diiiiiickheads.
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I'm just not generalising to think they are all diiiickheads in terms of your interpretation of who you have them down as being.
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Everyone who is raising flags during the raise the flag campaign is a diiickhead, yes. Happy to generalise. Those who pretend they are doing it for non anti immigrant reasons are lying.

I am sure there were plenty of gas engineers in Poland during the early 40s. But if you were specifically at Auschwitz at those specific times, and installing the showers there, I am not having it that you were just an innocent gas engineer going about your job for non jew killy reasons.
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Peak Barry

Barry is the man

comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
What are you actually basing it on? You think the people protesting genocide are also racists, but only to the Jewish?

What about the Orthodox Jews that are protesting, are they anti-Semitic? Genuine question.
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I have seen many different types on the pro-Palestinian side, not just those who are against the genocide, as they see it, although perhaps a vast majority.

To be honest, whenever I've seen clips of pro-Israel and pro-Palestine protests alongside one another, objectively speaking, the latter don't come across as the best representation of humanity. People covering themselves up, not wanting to to talk to interviewers, unfriendly or rude, not particularly knowledgable on the subject matter they are protesting about. Not a good look from many.

Could you post the clips of protestors being anti-Semitic please?

In the interests of parity, every video you post, I’ll post two from massive racists on the Tommy march.

Must say, anti-Semite’s protesting alongside Orthodox Jews would be quite the scene, so looking forward to seeing them.