Yeah they’re the ones that don’t come across as best representation of humanity, as opposed to the ones supporting genocide.

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 13 minutes ago
People can also be patriotic without being xenophobic and racist,

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Of course people can and the vast majority of us are. Including myself.

But not very often whilst marching through diverse City centres on politically motivated, anti-immigration marches organised by Tommy Robinson and the English (&Jewish) Defence League. In fact, never. If you find yourself marching on one of those marches waving a British/English flag, it can and does only mean one thing.
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Palestine Action were proscribed as a Terror Group by this Government after they broke into an RAF base and caused millions of pounds worth of damage.

They continue to march and be arrested and assault police officers and cause criminal damage.

Should we believe that everyone on that march has the same 'terrorism' motivations and urges as those who perpetrated the attacks on RAF Brize Norton.

Could some of the people on their march actually only have genuine, totally peaceful reasons for wanting to protest and dont endorse the actions of the extremes? Would some simply be there in defiance because the Govt /Courts/Police said they couldnt be there.

There is a spectrum of people across situations like this and to judge them all the same is daft IMO, shutting ones ears to everything being said, including the more moderate/sensible voices that will be within that group.

comment by Robbing Hoody - No Halloween this year, the horror Is Rëal (U6374)
posted 54 seconds ago
Could you post the clips of protestors being anti-Semitic please?

In the interests of parity, every video you post, I’ll post two from massive racists on the Tommy march.

Must say, anti-Semite’s protesting alongside Orthodox Jews would be quite the scene, so looking forward to seeing them.
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Well when I say alongside, I don't actually mean together protesting for the same cause if that wasn't obvious enough. Protestors on either side at the same time is perhaps what I should have said.

You'd be surprised at the level of irony that's gone on though. I mean pro-Palestine protestors calling out those sticking up for Israel as Naz!s is one such ridiculous example.

If I find I will post.

Well when I say alongside, I don't actually mean together protesting for the same cause if that wasn't obvious enough.
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Ooooooooh riiiight.

No it wasn’t obvious enough. I like ya Spurtle, but lexical semantics really isn’t your thing.

Can anyone give an honest reason for all the flag waving? Why the sudden wave of 'patriotism'?

Is it because of sporting success, a jubilee, because we've achieved something as a nation to wave flags and sing rule Brittania? Is it because these vocal patriots are suddenly proud of our actions geo politically at a time of tensions across the world?

Aren't these largely the same people with 'legitimate concerns' about numerous aspects of the country? The same people who are assuming Farage is the PM elect, 4 years away from the next election. The same people who bleated about democracy & sovereignty in the Brexit years.

I've seen a couple of posts pop up on SM calling for.the King.to dissolve Parliament and call an election. This the same so called patriots by any chance?

Hiding behind patriotism when honestly its about race and immigration in the UK is the same disingenuous crap we come to expect from RW gobshiites and their acolytes. Indulge in as much semantics, by way of diversion, as you want. If it looks like, smells like and sounds like then it usually is.

On its own merit I don't think there's an issue at all with flying your country's flag (on your own property or on public property with permission). I have one in my garden. I've had it there for years.

It does become problematic though when you do it to upset/intimidate people. You've seen clips I'm sure of flags being put up outside Hotel Football and posts going with it "Neville Skum will hate this" etc. Don't they just prove his point beautifully? They're using the flag as a weapon to intimidate Neville. If they wanted to be clever about it they'd use a cardboard cut out of Edmundo.

Call me old fashioned but I judge people by whether they're a di** or not. If they're not then we'd probably get on fine no matter what colour they are and which country they're from.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 13 minutes ago
People can also be patriotic without being xenophobic and racist,

++++

Of course people can and the vast majority of us are. Including myself.

But not very often whilst marching through diverse City centres on politically motivated, anti-immigration marches organised by Tommy Robinson and the English (&Jewish) Defence League. In fact, never. If you find yourself marching on one of those marches waving a British/English flag, it can and does only mean one thing.
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Palestine Action were proscribed as a Terror Group by this Government after they broke into an RAF base and caused millions of pounds worth of damage.

They continue to march and be arrested and assault police officers and cause criminal damage.

Should we believe that everyone on that march has the same 'terrorism' motivations and urges as those who perpetrated the attacks on RAF Brize Norton.

Could some of the people on their march actually only have genuine, totally peaceful reasons for wanting to protest and dont endorse the actions of the extremes? Would some simply be there in defiance because the Govt /Courts/Police said they couldnt be there.

There is a spectrum of people across situations like this and to judge them all the same is daft IMO, shutting ones ears to everything being said, including the more moderate/sensible voices that will be within that group.
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You talk as if PA being labeled terrorists is justifiable. In case you forgot the reason they did that is because children are being killed by the tens of thousands in Gaza.

Also this is a false equivalence. We can't label them all as "terrorists" but we can label them all as Pro Palestine. There's not a single one of them that doesn't believe Palestine should be free because that is their stated cause. You cannot dissociate members of PA from the concept of the liberation of Palestine, can you?

By the same token, we can label anyone who attends or supports a Tommy Robinson March whatever we think they should be labeled because the stated cause of Tommy Robinson is deeply racist, and no matter what you say, you cannot dissociate people attending a Tommy Robinson march from the stated cause or theme of the march.

Even those who attend in defiance still support the stated cause otherwise they wouldn't attend. Would someone that is Pro-Israel attend an anti Israel protest just to be in defiance or some other flimsy reason?

You don't attend a TR march just because you have an issue with immigration, because racism isn't the answer to this problem, you attend because you have an issue with immigration and you like the manner in which TR is broaching the topic. There's more than one way to skin a cat, there's no justification for backing racists.

comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 13 minutes ago
People can also be patriotic without being xenophobic and racist,

++++

Of course people can and the vast majority of us are. Including myself.

But not very often whilst marching through diverse City centres on politically motivated, anti-immigration marches organised by Tommy Robinson and the English (&Jewish) Defence League. In fact, never. If you find yourself marching on one of those marches waving a British/English flag, it can and does only mean one thing.
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Palestine Action were proscribed as a Terror Group by this Government after they broke into an RAF base and caused millions of pounds worth of damage.

They continue to march and be arrested and assault police officers and cause criminal damage.

Should we believe that everyone on that march has the same 'terrorism' motivations and urges as those who perpetrated the attacks on RAF Brize Norton.

Could some of the people on their march actually only have genuine, totally peaceful reasons for wanting to protest and dont endorse the actions of the extremes? Would some simply be there in defiance because the Govt /Courts/Police said they couldnt be there.

There is a spectrum of people across situations like this and to judge them all the same is daft IMO, shutting ones ears to everything being said, including the more moderate/sensible voices that will be within that group.
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You talk as if PA being labeled terrorists is justifiable. In case you forgot the reason they did that is because children are being killed by the tens of thousands in Gaza.

Also this is a false equivalence. We can't label them all as "terrorists" but we can label them all as Pro Palestine. There's not a single one of them that doesn't believe Palestine should be free because that is their stated cause. You cannot dissociate members of PA from the concept of the liberation of Palestine, can you?

By the same token, we can label anyone who attends or supports a Tommy Robinson March whatever we think they should be labeled because the stated cause of Tommy Robinson is deeply racist, and no matter what you say, you cannot dissociate people attending a Tommy Robinson march from the stated cause or theme of the march.

Even those who attend in defiance still support the stated cause otherwise they wouldn't attend. Would someone that is Pro-Israel attend an anti Israel protest just to be in defiance or some other flimsy reason?

You don't attend a TR march just because you have an issue with immigration, because racism isn't the answer to this problem, you attend because you have an issue with immigration and you like the manner in which TR is broaching the topic. There's more than one way to skin a cat, there's no justification for backing racists.
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https://x.com/dobbyclub06/status/1961409047518732522?s=46

Anyone who watches Peep Show should get this

comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopid prizes (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 13 minutes ago
People can also be patriotic without being xenophobic and racist,

++++

Of course people can and the vast majority of us are. Including myself.

But not very often whilst marching through diverse City centres on politically motivated, anti-immigration marches organised by Tommy Robinson and the English (&Jewish) Defence League. In fact, never. If you find yourself marching on one of those marches waving a British/English flag, it can and does only mean one thing.
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Palestine Action were proscribed as a Terror Group by this Government after they broke into an RAF base and caused millions of pounds worth of damage.

They continue to march and be arrested and assault police officers and cause criminal damage.

Should we believe that everyone on that march has the same 'terrorism' motivations and urges as those who perpetrated the attacks on RAF Brize Norton.

Could some of the people on their march actually only have genuine, totally peaceful reasons for wanting to protest and dont endorse the actions of the extremes? Would some simply be there in defiance because the Govt /Courts/Police said they couldnt be there.

There is a spectrum of people across situations like this and to judge them all the same is daft IMO, shutting ones ears to everything being said, including the more moderate/sensible voices that will be within that group.
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You talk as if PA being labeled terrorists is justifiable. In case you forgot the reason they did that is because children are being killed by the tens of thousands in Gaza.

Also this is a false equivalence. We can't label them all as "terrorists" but we can label them all as Pro Palestine. There's not a single one of them that doesn't believe Palestine should be free because that is their stated cause. You cannot dissociate members of PA from the concept of the liberation of Palestine, can you?

By the same token, we can label anyone who attends or supports a Tommy Robinson March whatever we think they should be labeled because the stated cause of Tommy Robinson is deeply racist, and no matter what you say, you cannot dissociate people attending a Tommy Robinson march from the stated cause or theme of the march.

Even those who attend in defiance still support the stated cause otherwise they wouldn't attend. Would someone that is Pro-Israel attend an anti Israel protest just to be in defiance or some other flimsy reason?

You don't attend a TR march just because you have an issue with immigration, because racism isn't the answer to this problem, you attend because you have an issue with immigration and you like the manner in which TR is broaching the topic. There's more than one way to skin a cat, there's no justification for backing racists.
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That doesn’t make any sense

That’s one of the few times Mamba has made sense, probably his best ever post.

Mamba made a good point there (makes me feel sick to say). The criticism isn’t towards people being anti-immigration. I know people whose opinions I respect and disagree with often who are anti-immigration.

They are respectful, considerate and (to be blunt) intelligent enough to know that TR march’s aren’t for anything except for division, intimidation and bigotry.

You can label the marchers as pro United Kingdom as they were carrying and waving the flags of the United Kingdom.

As you say TR is a racist but that doesn’t mean you can then label everyone else as a racist. Well you can but it doesn’t mean anything.

What if the leader of the pro Palestine march is a murderer or a rapist, does that mean that everyone on the marches are then murderers and rapists?

Some people on this thread have some wild views, no wonder there is division amongst people.

Timing daz

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 13 minutes ago
People can also be patriotic without being xenophobic and racist,

++++

Of course people can and the vast majority of us are. Including myself.

But not very often whilst marching through diverse City centres on politically motivated, anti-immigration marches organised by Tommy Robinson and the English (&Jewish) Defence League. In fact, never. If you find yourself marching on one of those marches waving a British/English flag, it can and does only mean one thing.
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Palestine Action were proscribed as a Terror Group by this Government after they broke into an RAF base and caused millions of pounds worth of damage.

They continue to march and be arrested and assault police officers and cause criminal damage.

Should we believe that everyone on that march has the same 'terrorism' motivations and urges as those who perpetrated the attacks on RAF Brize Norton.

Could some of the people on their march actually only have genuine, totally peaceful reasons for wanting to protest and dont endorse the actions of the extremes? Would some simply be there in defiance because the Govt /Courts/Police said they couldnt be there.

There is a spectrum of people across situations like this and to judge them all the same is daft IMO, shutting ones ears to everything being said, including the more moderate/sensible voices that will be within that group.
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There were even immigrants in the march and people of different races and backgrounds. Suffice to say that there were a variety of reasons for people attending. But the easiest thing for some people on the left to do is to generalise and conclude racism.

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 13 minutes ago
Timing daz
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Mamba loves a backhanded compliment from me.

I see while I was away, the word patriotism is being redefined on here.

Spurtle, I’m sorry but you don’t get to pick and choose what words mean.

Raising a flag in order to show your objection to asylum hotels / immigration / small boats is not patriotism.

And there’s no definition you’ll find that will argue it is.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I see while I was away, the word patriotism is being redefined on here.

Spurtle, I’m sorry but you don’t get to pick and choose what words mean.

Raising a flag in order to show your objection to asylum hotels / immigration / small boats is not patriotism.

And there’s no definition you’ll find that will argue it is.
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point missed!

What point is that then?

comment by burghandy (U10383)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
You can label the marchers as pro United Kingdom as they were carrying and waving the flags of the United Kingdom.

As you say TR is a racist but that doesn’t mean you can then label everyone else as a racist. Well you can but it doesn’t mean anything.

What if the leader of the pro Palestine march is a murderer or a rapist, does that mean that everyone on the marches are then murderers and rapists?

Some people on this thread have some wild views, no wonder there is division amongst people.


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Is it known to the people that the leader of the march is a murderer and rapist? And is his whole twitter feed full of pro murder and rape stuff? And he is calling for people to march to support the right to murder and rape? Then yes, that makes the people joining the march pro murder and rape.

Quite funny when you put it in that context but just sub out murder and rape for racism. It's exactly what Tommy Robertson did.

You guys ain't the brightest

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
I see while I was away, the word patriotism is being redefined on here.

Spurtle, I’m sorry but you don’t get to pick and choose what words mean.

Raising a flag in order to show your objection to asylum hotels / immigration / small boats is not patriotism.

And there’s no definition you’ll find that will argue it is.
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Winston

comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by burghandy (U10383)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
You can label the marchers as pro United Kingdom as they were carrying and waving the flags of the United Kingdom.

As you say TR is a racist but that doesn’t mean you can then label everyone else as a racist. Well you can but it doesn’t mean anything.

What if the leader of the pro Palestine march is a murderer or a rapist, does that mean that everyone on the marches are then murderers and rapists?

Some people on this thread have some wild views, no wonder there is division amongst people.


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Is it known to the people that the leader of the march is a murderer and rapist? And is his whole twitter feed full of pro murder and rape stuff? And he is calling for people to march to support the right to murder and rape? Then yes, that makes the people joining the march pro murder and rape.

Quite funny when you put it in that context but just sub out murder and rape for racism. It's exactly what Tommy Robertson did.

You guys ain't the brightest
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comment by No Løve - Play stoopid games win stoopi... (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago


You don't attend a TR march just because you have an issue with immigration, because racism isn't the answer to this problem, you attend because you have an issue with immigration and you like the manner in which TR is broaching the topic. There's more than one way to skin a cat, there's no justification for backing racists.
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You are contradicting yourself.

You attend the free speech march absolutely because you like the way the organiser, Robinson, approaches the issue, thus denying that anyone in attendance could hold different views on the overarching issue of immigration and free speech

But anyone on the PA march, is not tarred with the same brush as their violent organisers (whether deemed terrorism or not, doesnt really matter), they are afforded the right of being concerned with the overarching issue (support for Palestine) and are judged on that basis, not on the basis of the violent approach of the organisers.

The distinction here is that your comment reveals a position of anyone with a concern about immigration and/or free speech in the UK is coming from a hateful/racist position. They are all mini-Tommys

Anyone on that PA march is coming from a position of peace & support of their country/nationals, and nothing to do with the violent element who attack the police and RAF bases.

That is to apply different criteria in judging the actions of both groups.

What i think this boils down to is that there are a lot of people who think anyone who has any issue with immigration policy in this country is a hateful racist or worse. They deny that high immigration could or does have any harmful impact, and to hold such a view is also racist.

If that is someones view then i whole heartedly disagree with it. And this is coming from someone who acknowledges that immigration is part of the solution to a whole range of problems this country faces, it is desirable and necessary.

I also hold the view that some of the people on the PA march hold and wish to express their legitimate concerns in a way that does not reflect the approach or the solutions of their violent organisers, and the same can be said of some on free speech march.

comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by burghandy (U10383)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
You can label the marchers as pro United Kingdom as they were carrying and waving the flags of the United Kingdom.

As you say TR is a racist but that doesn’t mean you can then label everyone else as a racist. Well you can but it doesn’t mean anything.

What if the leader of the pro Palestine march is a murderer or a rapist, does that mean that everyone on the marches are then murderers and rapists?

Some people on this thread have some wild views, no wonder there is division amongst people.


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Is it known to the people that the leader of the march is a murderer and rapist? And is his whole twitter feed full of pro murder and rape stuff? And he is calling for people to march to support the right to murder and rape? Then yes, that makes the people joining the march pro murder and rape.

Quite funny when you put it in that context but just sub out murder and rape for racism. It's exactly what Tommy Robertson did.

You guys ain't the brightest
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Cameron can you show proof that TR was telling people to be racist on the Unite the Kingdom march?

comment by burghandy (U10383)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Cameron Congreve (U1734)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by burghandy (U10383)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
You can label the marchers as pro United Kingdom as they were carrying and waving the flags of the United Kingdom.

As you say TR is a racist but that doesn’t mean you can then label everyone else as a racist. Well you can but it doesn’t mean anything.

What if the leader of the pro Palestine march is a murderer or a rapist, does that mean that everyone on the marches are then murderers and rapists?

Some people on this thread have some wild views, no wonder there is division amongst people.


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Is it known to the people that the leader of the march is a murderer and rapist? And is his whole twitter feed full of pro murder and rape stuff? And he is calling for people to march to support the right to murder and rape? Then yes, that makes the people joining the march pro murder and rape.

Quite funny when you put it in that context but just sub out murder and rape for racism. It's exactly what Tommy Robertson did.

You guys ain't the brightest
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Cameron can you show proof that TR was telling people to be racist on the Unite the Kingdom march?
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Anyone got that speech by that woman at the march that Tommy organised to join them? They seemed to enjoy that completely non racist speech.