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It is getting ridiculous though. There was one in the first half where Johnson took the ball off a City player, came in from the side and stayed on his feet. Result? Free kick to City. Madness.
I know this is wishful thinking, but could we not appeal Kompany's red card and use video of Johnsons challenge as evidence?
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meltonblue,
It's a nice idea but it just wouldn't happen. City should make a formal complaint to the FA however, citing that Johnson should receive the same punishment. The FA would never overturn the appeal of an appeal, but it's not unknown for a player to be punished retrospectively, which in the interests of fairness is what should happen
meltonblue
im sure mancini is probably thinking the exact same thing.
johnsons was far worse than kompanys
The hypocrites are the referees. Johnson's tackle was worse than Kompany's.
merrysupersteve:
Fifa have added to the rule for red cards regarding two footed tackles.
"Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play".
So if the referee considers that the challenge endangered an opponent he can give a red card.
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It's a nice idea but it just wouldn't happen. City should make a formal complaint to the FA however, citing that Johnson should receive the same punishment. The FA would never overturn the appeal of an appeal, but it's not unknown for a player to be punished retrospectively, which in the interests of fairness is what should happen
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Thats a good idea. Lets retrospectively punish someone for not touching a player. That'll stand up.
Johnson's tackle was worse than Kompany's.
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WTBA,
I agree. The thing with the laws at the moment are that they allow a lot of scope for referee interpretation. Now, that is ok during the 90 minutes of the match as both sides should see consistency from the ref in terms of their own interpretation (although I do think Foy is an exception there, terrible ref to both us and united after the sending off).
The problem is after the 90 minutes. It is simply not right that the same challenge can be viewed as a red by one ref and not by another if one player is then going to get a three game ban compared to no punishment whatsoever.
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comment by Tommy (The Machine Gun) Towton - Deputy (U11544)
Oh shutup
Which is why i think both were reds RedLed. And if a United player does the same at use weekend, they deserve the same treatment. I'm never afraid to condemn a united player for a tackle and if one of our players leaves the ground before a tackle they deserve to go. Evans deservedly went for one against Bolton last season. A tackle no worse than Sundays or tonights but still the red was deservee and poor Dean Holden didn't get away unscathed that time. Probably a good example of why such tackles need stamped out.
why would you go out of your way to get an opposition player punished after the match when he didn't do it maliciously, didn't hurt anyone, didn't mean to hurt anyone, and was first to ball anyway?
It was a red card by the letter of the law but FFS that's pathetic.
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comment by Arab Manc - I had an arranged marriage with Ki... (U11781)
posted 12 seconds ago
When has there ever been consistency between them? That's what causes the debates on referees between fans, they all have their own sort of opinions on a yellow or a red. The tackle did look dangerous, but just be happy Lescott didn't feel it and break his leg. Well done Liverpool, you deserved it.
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I agree, it could have been worse but it wasn't. You can't send players off for what could have been.
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Dud u feel the same when Scholes threw that 'punch' at Alonso that didn't connect?
Honestly Tommy, every football player marches up to the ref if they see a shocking tackle on their team mate. Why do you single Rooney out? Do Leeds United players never ever march up the refs if they see a tackle in the penalty box on their player? Every footballer marches up to the ref and gives them stick, it's hypocritical seeing rival fans spout the same crap when their own team does it too.
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merrysupersteve:
Personally I am in total agreement with you. Two footed tackles should be an automatic red full stop, the same as a tackle where the player leaves the ground, and not left to the opinion of the ref in cases where the player gets the ball only. They can both be as dangerous to an opponent in my opinion.
That would leave players, clubs, and fans in no doubt, and cut out a lot of inconsistency in decisions.
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comment by Red_Led (U1731)
posted 14 minutes ago
Two footed tackle rules according to FIFA so applicable to the FA:
Two footed tackle where a player gets the ball without getting the opponent, it is a caution.
Two footed tackle where the player gets the ball and the opponent, it is a red card.
Two footed tackle where the player fails to get the ball but fouls the opponent, it is a red card.
So Johnson should have had a yellow card according to the rules, as should Kompany. Neither should have got a red card.
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The refs in the PL have clearly been told by the FA that two footers are automatic red cards. Rooney said as much. Makes your point irrelevant.
comment by Tommy (The Machine Gun) Towton - Deputy (U11544)
Every footballer from any club marches to the ref if they see an unfair tackle on their team mates not being given a free kick.
why would you go out of your way to get an opposition player punished after the match when he didn't do it maliciously, didn't hurt anyone, didn't mean to hurt anyone, and was first to ball anyway?
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If someone came in to tackle me in that manner I would certainly see it as malicious, and would definitely think he was out to hurt me.
As we are learning, being first to the ball doesn't matter. Kompany was first to the ball on Sunday but that is scant consolation when he's serving a four match ban. If you go in recklessly, which is what Johnson did, then I don't see why he should escape punishment.
People moan about consistency, then argue when a perfectly valid compromise is suggested. Football. You just have to love it!
Well said RedLed mate! Lets just hope refs do find some consistency (doubtful) and players show more restraint in tight of recent events (more possible)!
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posted on 11/1/12
It is getting ridiculous though. There was one in the first half where Johnson took the ball off a City player, came in from the side and stayed on his feet. Result? Free kick to City. Madness.
posted on 11/1/12
I know this is wishful thinking, but could we not appeal Kompany's red card and use video of Johnsons challenge as evidence?
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meltonblue,
It's a nice idea but it just wouldn't happen. City should make a formal complaint to the FA however, citing that Johnson should receive the same punishment. The FA would never overturn the appeal of an appeal, but it's not unknown for a player to be punished retrospectively, which in the interests of fairness is what should happen
posted on 11/1/12
meltonblue
im sure mancini is probably thinking the exact same thing.
johnsons was far worse than kompanys
posted on 11/1/12
The hypocrites are the referees. Johnson's tackle was worse than Kompany's.
posted on 11/1/12
merrysupersteve:
Fifa have added to the rule for red cards regarding two footed tackles.
"Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play".
So if the referee considers that the challenge endangered an opponent he can give a red card.
posted on 11/1/12
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posted on 11/1/12
It's a nice idea but it just wouldn't happen. City should make a formal complaint to the FA however, citing that Johnson should receive the same punishment. The FA would never overturn the appeal of an appeal, but it's not unknown for a player to be punished retrospectively, which in the interests of fairness is what should happen
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Thats a good idea. Lets retrospectively punish someone for not touching a player. That'll stand up.
posted on 11/1/12
Johnson's tackle was worse than Kompany's.
This comment has more posts than the match thread. Most of them from Tommy
posted on 11/1/12
WTBA,
I agree. The thing with the laws at the moment are that they allow a lot of scope for referee interpretation. Now, that is ok during the 90 minutes of the match as both sides should see consistency from the ref in terms of their own interpretation (although I do think Foy is an exception there, terrible ref to both us and united after the sending off).
The problem is after the 90 minutes. It is simply not right that the same challenge can be viewed as a red by one ref and not by another if one player is then going to get a three game ban compared to no punishment whatsoever.
posted on 11/1/12
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posted on 11/1/12
comment by Tommy (The Machine Gun) Towton - Deputy (U11544)
Oh shutup
posted on 11/1/12
Which is why i think both were reds RedLed. And if a United player does the same at use weekend, they deserve the same treatment. I'm never afraid to condemn a united player for a tackle and if one of our players leaves the ground before a tackle they deserve to go. Evans deservedly went for one against Bolton last season. A tackle no worse than Sundays or tonights but still the red was deservee and poor Dean Holden didn't get away unscathed that time. Probably a good example of why such tackles need stamped out.
posted on 11/1/12
why would you go out of your way to get an opposition player punished after the match when he didn't do it maliciously, didn't hurt anyone, didn't mean to hurt anyone, and was first to ball anyway?
It was a red card by the letter of the law but FFS that's pathetic.
posted on 11/1/12
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posted on 11/1/12
comment by Arab Manc - I had an arranged marriage with Ki... (U11781)
posted 12 seconds ago
When has there ever been consistency between them? That's what causes the debates on referees between fans, they all have their own sort of opinions on a yellow or a red. The tackle did look dangerous, but just be happy Lescott didn't feel it and break his leg. Well done Liverpool, you deserved it.
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I agree, it could have been worse but it wasn't. You can't send players off for what could have been.
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Dud u feel the same when Scholes threw that 'punch' at Alonso that didn't connect?
posted on 11/1/12
Honestly Tommy, every football player marches up to the ref if they see a shocking tackle on their team mate. Why do you single Rooney out? Do Leeds United players never ever march up the refs if they see a tackle in the penalty box on their player? Every footballer marches up to the ref and gives them stick, it's hypocritical seeing rival fans spout the same crap when their own team does it too.
posted on 11/1/12
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posted on 11/1/12
merrysupersteve:
Personally I am in total agreement with you. Two footed tackles should be an automatic red full stop, the same as a tackle where the player leaves the ground, and not left to the opinion of the ref in cases where the player gets the ball only. They can both be as dangerous to an opponent in my opinion.
That would leave players, clubs, and fans in no doubt, and cut out a lot of inconsistency in decisions.
posted on 11/1/12
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posted on 11/1/12
comment by Red_Led (U1731)
posted 14 minutes ago
Two footed tackle rules according to FIFA so applicable to the FA:
Two footed tackle where a player gets the ball without getting the opponent, it is a caution.
Two footed tackle where the player gets the ball and the opponent, it is a red card.
Two footed tackle where the player fails to get the ball but fouls the opponent, it is a red card.
So Johnson should have had a yellow card according to the rules, as should Kompany. Neither should have got a red card.
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The refs in the PL have clearly been told by the FA that two footers are automatic red cards. Rooney said as much. Makes your point irrelevant.
posted on 11/1/12
comment by Tommy (The Machine Gun) Towton - Deputy (U11544)
Every footballer from any club marches to the ref if they see an unfair tackle on their team mates not being given a free kick.
posted on 11/1/12
why would you go out of your way to get an opposition player punished after the match when he didn't do it maliciously, didn't hurt anyone, didn't mean to hurt anyone, and was first to ball anyway?
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If someone came in to tackle me in that manner I would certainly see it as malicious, and would definitely think he was out to hurt me.
As we are learning, being first to the ball doesn't matter. Kompany was first to the ball on Sunday but that is scant consolation when he's serving a four match ban. If you go in recklessly, which is what Johnson did, then I don't see why he should escape punishment.
People moan about consistency, then argue when a perfectly valid compromise is suggested. Football. You just have to love it!
posted on 11/1/12
Well said RedLed mate! Lets just hope refs do find some consistency (doubtful) and players show more restraint in tight of recent events (more possible)!
posted on 11/1/12
I miss tackleberry
RIP
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