This has been the topic in lots of threads and with these three are ranked in top 4. It will be interesting to see as what does the forum thinks about the inherent talent or weapons in the armoury for the players after federer.
I am not a Nadal fan but I think that his movement on court is one of the best, he has a powerful forehand, good passing shots and moonballing.
Nole too seems to have excellent footwork, good angled shots and when needed powerful hitting and at times volleying.
Murray in my opinion is as talented as the other two but plays too defensively and has bottled the important points at crucial stages. On his final record he met three players in their prime in a final match and also got overwhelmed by the occassion. Murray has good backhand crosscourt (that slice was annoying last night), good drop shot (if it comes off), and court coverage but it is not as good as Nole or Rafa.
Fed is not included in this as we all know that he has been the best, greatest and is a legend.
Who has more weapons? Muzza, Nole or Rafa.
posted on 2/7/12
@TMF, Just answer the question. Simple.
posted on 2/7/12
rotla, How could I answer that question? It is for Andy to answer that and that too with his on court performance. We all have seen what he can do. If you say that he has not got any weapons then I dont know if you are even seeing things as they should be seen.
As far as me sitting behind they keyboard is concerned, you ain't no Pat Cash or are you?
posted on 2/7/12
tbh, I don't know why murray plays so defensive. And that's exactly what I said in my post.
I do not have answer for Andy's defensive game but I do know that he can play aggressive as it was seen during 08 SF and to some extent against Nole at AO semifinal 2012.
posted on 2/7/12
As far as me sitting behind they keyboard is concerned, you ain't no Pat Cash or are you?
posted on 2/7/12
@TMF
TMF, Your answers included
1. I don't know why murray plays so defensive.
2. I do not have answer for Andy's defensive game
if you can't answer the question put to you, we all now clearly know who is blinkered.
@ We all have seen what he can do.
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Yes we all have, you, me the whole world. Only person who doesn't seem to have seen it is Murray. We all know he can do it, only person who is completely ignorant about it is Murray, isn't it? That's why he is still playing the way he is.
I can't believe you still don't know why Murray doesn't play like that 2008 US open semis.
If Murray could do it, he would be doing it all the time. If he doesn't do, it only means he can't. One swallow doesn't make a summer. If one day in 4 years he played like that doesn't mean he can do it always. Don't keep your eyes close and assume it dark outside. Supporting your player is different thing, support but know his game and understand his limits. Its no crime to support any player, no matter what ranked he is or what he has achieved.
I myself support Gulbis in all his matches, but that doesn't mean I don't know why he doesn't play like he did Rome 2010 . Its simple as anything, he just can't do it. Maybe a one-off good day like this wimbledon R1 against Berdy, but nothing much after that.
posted on 2/7/12
rotla, I agree with your point. Fair one, it is not Murray's natural game and that performance was an exceptional. But still he did stretch Nole during AO as well so he can bring his A game time to time.
I hope that he continues his 4th set form in the remaining matches and create history.
posted on 2/7/12
Its when the going gets tough against the top players in the GS's that Murray seems to go into his shell. He never looked like he believed he could win any of the GS finals he has been in whereas he does in the Masters events. He can produce the levels required to beat the top 3 over best of 3 (hense his record in the Masters series which aint bad) but over 5 its a different story.
He did play well in AO earlier this year but a SF is a different ball game than a Final IMO – there is a little less on the line in an SF than in a Final. To lose a semi is bad, but to lose a final, fo me, is worse. Going down with the finish line in sight..a bad feeling. Nadal cried in the Locker Room after losing W07 and Fed lost it for all to see at the end of the AO09.
Apart from beating Rafa, he hasn't scored against Fed and Nole in the big ones and this must surely have played a part in his mental state when playing these two in GS's. He als tends to suffer at the hands of grinders like Ferrer and sometimes struggles to work out solutions which Nadal is adept at doing.
This year should give Murray his best chance since the AO last year. Neither Fed or Nole look at their best at them moment (Nole looked better tonight) but unfortunately I still think they will prevail due to the reasons above. The pressure will also be intense whereas its the reverse for Fed and to a lesser extent Djokovic.
Until he gets over the line in a big one -its always going to be an issue, though the opposition will lessen a bit when Fed retires.
We shall see...its become a very interesting tourney.
posted on 2/7/12
if you can't answer the question put to you, we all now clearly know who is blinkered.
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If I cannot answer that question then it means that I do not know the answer and probably not the best person to answer it.
You do have a point but it does not mean that that is the answer. Probably Murray and his coach is the best person to answer that.
Coming back to your one swallow, Murray did stretch Djoko not too long ago and it was in a slam. He was there and it is quite possible that he will cross the threshold next time.
And you can give your arguments but at the end of the day, you ain't no expert either. You too are an armachair non expert like me. ( probably blinkered)
posted on 3/7/12
@Coming back to your one swallow, Murray did stretch Djoko not too long ago and it was in a slam.
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This 'stretch' in the AO semis this year is highly overrated. Under the circumstances nothing less than a win (4 sets ideally, but even a 5 was great) would get to appreciable limits. Djokovic was playing utterly poor, he was playing like that even against Ferrer in semis. And only that poor play resulted in this 'stretch'. If Djo plays so bad and still Murray can't beat him being 2-1 sets and a break up, I have nothing to appreciate about it.
Look in yesterday's match, Malisse 'stretched' Federer for his win. Under the circumstances Malisse should have won the match, but he could only manage 1 set. Total squandering of a very good oportunity to get to a slam qtr. which I don't think he has got in a very long time. If you want to keep distributing your appreciations for such 'stretches', then you have to keep doing it for almost every player.
Learn to appreciate performance, not 'stretches'. Performance wise that AO semis was one of worst played matches I've seen in a long time in a slam semifinal. Both players struggling to string even 2 good games together.
@And you can give your arguments but at the end of the day, you ain't no expert either. You too are an armachair non expert like me. ( probably blinkered)
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Who is blinkered, we already got enough proof of that. If you think you are no expert, well and good. Talk for yourself, whether I am an expert or not, that is useless talk. Lets not go there.
posted on 3/7/12
Grow up rotla and you are not an expert. Stop fooling yourself. Look at your predictions Delpo is out and Murray in quarters.
And I do better predictions than you.