Seen some Spurs fans saying yesterday was a great learning curve for Pochettino as he’s still a young manager.
Got me thinking for how long are managers classed as young? Is it age, or length of time they have been a manager?
Poch has been a manager for 9 years now. He’s won nothing in that time. Not even a promotion or a tin pot cup. He’s 46, reasonably young for a manager, but seeing as many start in the early to mid 30’s these days he’s not exactly a kid.
Here’s some comparable managers and their first trophy win:
Mourinho, started at 37, won a league title at 40.
Klopp, started at 34, won a promotion at 37 and a league title at 44.
Wenger, started at 35, won a league title at 39.
Conte, started at 37, won a promotion at 40 and a league title at 43.
Guardiola, started at 36, won a promotion at 37 and won everything at 38.
Allegri, started at 36, won a promotion at 41 and a league title at 44.
Benitez, started at 33, won a promotion at 38 and a league title at 42.
Steve McLaren, started at 40, won a cup at 44 and a league title at 49.
Harry Redknapp, started at 36, won a promotion at 40 and a raffle at 56.
Will Poch ever achieve anything comparable to these legends? Will he still be a young manager at 55? He’s been linked with big jobs like Man Utd and Real Madrid, but why would those clubs take a chance on a guy who has never won anything and has no experience of Europe beyond the last 16?
‘Young’ managers
posted on 8/3/18
What you have to consider is with the trophies won, did said coaches have to significantly improve the clubs to win the trophies they did?
Mourinho certainly did with the CL win, but his title wins with Porto are hardly outliers.
Guardiola did a great job at Barca, but they are Barca. They are expected to win it.
Klopp did with Dortmund, but it is ultimately finishing above one club to win a title and Dortmund are a huge German club who have won the CL. He is now in his 3rd at Liverpool without a trophy of any sort.
You get the gist.
Poch's management career has seen him spend most at Espanyol and Saints. Nobody would expect anyone to win a trophy at either.
In his time at Spurs he could well have concentrated on domestic cups, and in his first season he lost a final to the champions. Season 2 and 3 he tried to win the league and had zero room for error as he chased clubs in first.. This season, I expect him to go full out for the FA cup.
If he does win it, this attention will then turn to Klopp
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comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
What you have to consider is with the trophies won, did said coaches have to significantly improve the clubs to win the trophies they did?
Mourinho certainly did with the CL win, but his title wins with Porto are hardly outliers.
Guardiola did a great job at Barca, but they are Barca. They are expected to win it.
Klopp did with Dortmund, but it is ultimately finishing above one club to win a title and Dortmund are a huge German club who have won the CL. He is now in his 3rd at Liverpool without a trophy of any sort.
You get the gist.
Poch's management career has seen him spend most at Espanyol and Saints. Nobody would expect anyone to win a trophy at either.
In his time at Spurs he could well have concentrated on domestic cups, and in his first season he lost a final to the champions. Season 2 and 3 he tried to win the league and had zero room for error as he chased clubs in first.. This season, I expect him to go full out for the FA cup.
If he does win it, this attention will then turn to Klopp
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I think Spurs fans are setting themselves up for a fall by putting all their eggs in the FA Cup basket.
I’d say we are more likely to win the CL than you are the FA Cup, and we are not particularly likely to do that.
Rather like Spurs fans were dismissing Juve.
posted on 8/3/18
I think he's a very good manager. However I think what we are seeing is a very good team at its peak, yet they remain potless.
Until Levy changes his wage structure I think they will lose players and the manager to the big boys who will pay them what they rightly deserve.
Potless Poch has a chance to win the cup. However the clever money would be on them combusting again.
posted on 8/3/18
Harry Redknapp, started at 36, won a promotion at 40 and a raffle at 56.
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posted on 8/3/18
comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
I think he's a very good manager. However I think what we are seeing is a very good team at its peak, yet they remain potless.
Until Levy changes his wage structure I think they will lose players and the manager to the big boys who will pay them what they rightly deserve.
Potless Poch has a chance to win the cup. However the clever money would be on them combusting again.
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I expect Poch to win a few trophies in his career PPD.
Just not with Spurs...
posted on 9/3/18
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 10 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
What you have to consider is with the trophies won, did said coaches have to significantly improve the clubs to win the trophies they did?
Mourinho certainly did with the CL win, but his title wins with Porto are hardly outliers.
Guardiola did a great job at Barca, but they are Barca. They are expected to win it.
Klopp did with Dortmund, but it is ultimately finishing above one club to win a title and Dortmund are a huge German club who have won the CL. He is now in his 3rd at Liverpool without a trophy of any sort.
You get the gist.
Poch's management career has seen him spend most at Espanyol and Saints. Nobody would expect anyone to win a trophy at either.
In his time at Spurs he could well have concentrated on domestic cups, and in his first season he lost a final to the champions. Season 2 and 3 he tried to win the league and had zero room for error as he chased clubs in first.. This season, I expect him to go full out for the FA cup.
If he does win it, this attention will then turn to Klopp
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I think Spurs fans are setting themselves up for a fall by putting all their eggs in the FA Cup basket.
I’d say we are more likely to win the CL than you are the FA Cup, and we are not particularly likely to do that.
Rather like Spurs fans were dismissing Juve.
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We are 12/5 for the FA cup.
You are 9/1 for the CL by the way.
Off all the fans of clubs at the top end, you would think Liverpool fans would be most understanding of the situation - seeing as their coach has been in situ for almost 3 years himself, and the club also has one trophy in 10 years.
Not the brightest though, clearly.
posted on 9/3/18
Bookies odds mean diddly squat.
Our European record is far better than your FA Cup record in terms of reaching the latter stages per number of tries.
For whatever reason we excel in this environment.
Spurs regularly fail when it comes to the crunch.
Our trophy haul in the last decade is very poor, but unlike Spurs fans we don’t make excuses for it, or celebrate such mediocrity.
posted on 9/3/18
comment by Totally Automatic (U21430)
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comment by KLS(U1695)
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comment by Totally Automatic (U21430)
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comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
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comment by Totally Automatic (U21430)
posted 17 minutes ago
Question is, would we swap him for anyone else?
Guaranteed the answer will be no!
Certainly not for Kilppery Klopp.
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Yeah but you are an idiot.
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If it ain’t broke......
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But it’s not working well is it?
The season most of the premier league elite where sh!t you couldn’t beat Leicester to the title.
Poch has constantly failed at European level and you’ve made hard work of lower league teams on numerous occasions in the fa cup.
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Oh bless you dumb plastic
It’s working exceptionally well, he’s the best thing to happen to our club in decades.
----------------------------------------------------------------------Undoubtedly he is the best thing to happen to you in decades but you were in the relegation zone until Arry saved you..
You can say what ever you want but you simply can’t deny that Poch fails in Europe.
posted on 9/3/18
And the cups.
He’s done well in the league (up to a point).
Levy is more important to Spurs than Poch though IMO.
It’s him that’s built the club from mid table mediocrity.