Toby apparently wants £180k a week, Spurs are unwilling to go above £130k as it will distort the wage bill. What are your thoughts on:
A. Distorting the wage bill and paying a somewhat injury prone, but class 29 yr old the money he wants. He is the best defender in the league, although Jan has been better this season. This scenario would lead to significant pay hikes for Kane, Alli and Eriksen.
B. Keeping him one more year and risk losing him for £25m next summer. It will be difficult enough replacing him, let alone with a reduced fee. However we would get 1 more season out of him, and might finally win something.
C. Do we sell this summer, but only abroad and risk not getting his full market value
D. Sell to the highest bidder and risk strengthening a rival
Toby or not Toby, that is the question
posted on 7/5/18
I don't understand how his option of another year works. Is it that the club can simply extend it whether he likes it of not?
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I think Toby when on song is a world class CB in fact one of the very best. However he has only completed more than 30 games in a season 3 times throughout his career. Perhaps Poch is witnessing something in training that makes him think he simply isn’t worth 180k of his wage budget. If he does believe he is worth it, then we need to stomp up and get wage structures adjusted in accordance.
One thing is for sure though, I knew something was up when Levy dug deep into those pockets of his for the 42m to buy Sanchez.
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I don't understand how his option of another year works. Is it that the club can simply extend it whether he likes it of not?
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Basically yes, it's a very standard deal for Spurs/Levy in that we get to decide whether to activate the extension or not.
Toby's is slightly different, as his has a clause that means we have to sell next summer if another club offers £25m. Otherwise he can stay and then negotiate a free transfer the following Jan. This summer is our last opportunity to sell for big money.
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I think Toby when on song is a world class CB in fact one of the very best. However he has only completed more than 30 games in a season 3 times throughout his career. Perhaps Poch is witnessing something in training that makes him think he simply isn’t worth 180k of his wage budget. If he does believe he is worth it, then we need to stomp up and get wage structures adjusted in accordance.
One thing is for sure though, I knew something was up when Levy dug deep into those pockets of his for the 42m to buy Sanchez.
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Unfortunately, I suspect you might be right. But we can't go into next season with Jan, Sanchez and Foyth, plus Dier out of position.
My worry is we will go for a cut price Evans/Mawson.
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I think Toby when on song is a world class CB in fact one of the very best. However he has only completed more than 30 games in a season 3 times throughout his career. Perhaps Poch is witnessing something in training that makes him think he simply isn’t worth 180k of his wage budget. If he does believe he is worth it, then we need to stomp up and get wage structures adjusted in accordance.
One thing is for sure though, I knew something was up when Levy dug deep into those pockets of his for the 42m to buy Sanchez.
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Unfortunately, I suspect you might be right. But we can't go into next season with Jan, Sanchez and Foyth, plus Dier out of position.
My worry is we will go for a cut price Evans/Mawson.
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Anyone but Evans. Don’t rate him at all. I suspect Poch will be using Dier in CB this season more often as and when needed.
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We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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Sell him for top dollar to a rival or get something in exhange, which one is it?
Selling to a rival and then buying a player is a separate deal so it wouldn’t be in exchange, and there’s no chance we’d sell for top dollar AND they throw in a player as part of the deal.
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I'd want an exchange for a player if we were to sell to a rival. I wouldn't want us to do a Walker again is what I'm saying. That's what I meant by something in return - a player of theirs.
Ideally I'd want us to keep Toby though, even if I accept this isn't going to happen.
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Yes so that’s my point then, a player in exchange would mean we wouldn’t be selling for top dollar.
For example £25m and Martial is far from top dollar. Could sell him abroad for more whilst not strengthening a rival and then use the cash to buy a viable replacement for Alderweireld and then look to sign a forward/wide forward.
I’ll be fuming if we go for some squad filler bargain option like Evans or some boy to try and fill a man’s shoes.
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We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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Sell him for top dollar to a rival or get something in exhange, which one is it?
Selling to a rival and then buying a player is a separate deal so it wouldn’t be in exchange, and there’s no chance we’d sell for top dollar AND they throw in a player as part of the deal.
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I'd want an exchange for a player if we were to sell to a rival. I wouldn't want us to do a Walker again is what I'm saying. That's what I meant by something in return - a player of theirs.
Ideally I'd want us to keep Toby though, even if I accept this isn't going to happen.
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Yes so that’s my point then, a player in exchange would mean we wouldn’t be selling for top dollar.
For example £25m and Martial is far from top dollar. Could sell him abroad for more whilst not strengthening a rival and then use the cash to buy a viable replacement for Alderweireld and then look to sign a forward/wide forward.
I’ll be fuming if we go for some squad filler bargain option like Evans or some boy to try and fill a man’s shoes.
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I know that. I'm not saying anything to the contrary. The 3 options for me in order of preference are:
1) Keep Toby (not likely to happen)
2) Sell Toby for lots of money abroad
3) Sell to a rival only in exchange for one of their players
Option 3 will depend on who we could take from the rival.
I would not want to just sell Toby to a rival for big money and re-spend it a la Walker.
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Levy just has to change his attitude to the Market for footballers and their wages - that is the real problem with Spurs ATM.
If he does not stop treating the club as a money-making business and start treating it as a long-term growth investment, it will remain an also ran in the current premiership competition.
I think Pochettino is beginning to understand this - given his recent odd remarks about "being here next season".
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We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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Sell him for top dollar to a rival or get something in exhange, which one is it?
Selling to a rival and then buying a player is a separate deal so it wouldn’t be in exchange, and there’s no chance we’d sell for top dollar AND they throw in a player as part of the deal.
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I'd want an exchange for a player if we were to sell to a rival. I wouldn't want us to do a Walker again is what I'm saying. That's what I meant by something in return - a player of theirs.
Ideally I'd want us to keep Toby though, even if I accept this isn't going to happen.
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Yes so that’s my point then, a player in exchange would mean we wouldn’t be selling for top dollar.
For example £25m and Martial is far from top dollar. Could sell him abroad for more whilst not strengthening a rival and then use the cash to buy a viable replacement for Alderweireld and then look to sign a forward/wide forward.
I’ll be fuming if we go for some squad filler bargain option like Evans or some boy to try and fill a man’s shoes.
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I know that. I'm not saying anything to the contrary. The 3 options for me in order of preference are:
1) Keep Toby (not likely to happen)
2) Sell Toby for lots of money abroad
3) Sell to a rival only in exchange for one of their players
Option 3 will depend on who we could take from the rival.
I would not want to just sell Toby to a rival for big money and re-spend it a la Walker.
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No option 3 at all for me. Rumours that Boateng wants a change of scenery, would offer Aldereiweld to them for £35m if necessary. There isn’t anyone I’d want from our rivals that we could get so that’s a complete non-starter for me.