I would keep for another year, and if he wants to leave for £25 million next year, then so be it. I certainly would not be giving in to wage demands. He apparently was offered a new improved contract, accepted it, then his agent has probably been in his ear, telling him to turn it down again. Not acceptable behaviour, no matter how good he is.
The point being as well, he has come back for the Brighton and WBA games and Spurs have won neither.
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Pay up or shut up, if he hangs about till next January he can talk to any club he likes negotiate a big singing on fee and the wage he wants. and the club gets sfa.
if he wants to go to a rival premier league club no sale keep him for another year, if he wants to go overseas that is a different situation
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comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 1 minute ago
Pay up or shut up, if he hangs about till next January he can talk to any club he likes negotiate a big singing on fee and the wage he wants. and the club gets sfa.
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That's the year after, next summer we would get £25m, but he could sign for whoever he likes - there are effectively 2 years left on his contract
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
Toby apparently wants £180k a week, Spurs are unwilling to go above £130k as it will distort the wage bill. What are your thoughts on:
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If that's the case, we are mugs not to pay it. To replace him, we'd probably have to lay out £50m and £130k a week anyway. We already have the best, why throw him away? I'm sorry but it's utterly ridiculous. And if Levy thinks by not paying Toby that will stop other players agents looking for pay increases in excess of £130k a week, he's delusional. I've always been a huge supporter of our model as a club, but you can't go on for ever doing things on the cheap - especially when you're charging top whack for tickets and announcing record revenues - that model can only get you so far and we've done very well to get this far on it, but at some point we have to take the next step otherwise why bother building the new stadium? Let Toby go, and it sends the message that we're not serious about competing. Anyone think Poch will be happy about it? Course not. Keep him and we make a statement to our fans and other clubs who were rubbing their hands together at the prospect of his availability. There's still time, facking pay the man Levy you cuuuunt.
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These were pretty much my exact thoughts a month ago, and since then I've forked out £1300 on season ticket. Outrageous to charge fans so much and not increase the wage bill.
An extra £100k per week for our top 5 players is £25m per year. In this day and age that really isn't that much. This side is too good to rip it apart over £25m per season.
Those choosing option B, be aware that next summer he could agree to go to Lpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and there isn't a thing we could do about it.
I agree with Ace on this one, Toby is worth breaking the structure for. The ST prices, TV deals and hopefully CL qualification, and stadium naming rights should allow us to increase the wage bill for all the players we want to keep
For far too long players have held clubs to ransom. Fair play to Daniel Levy for standing up to players, and saying tough shiiite, you are not getting what you are demanding. If a few other chairman stood up to the players perhaps we would not have these ridiculous wages where players like Pogba and Ozil trouser £300 grand a week for doing SFA.
E. Find some obvious middle ground between 130k a week and 180k. Eg, 150k a week.
I don’t care what Poch says, neither Dier or Sanchez are close to being on his level, so I hope he’s not getting any ideas that Sanchez has seamlessly filled in for Alderweireld is easily dispensable. Alderweireld was near to or at the top of his game before his injury, and I know for damn sure we won’t find a replacement of his quality should he be sold. We’re not some feeder club like Southampton for example where we replace proven quality for potential, if we’ve got serious ambitions of competing with the best then we have to act like it. That doesn’t mean spending £100m on a player and giving them 250k a week before anyone jumps down my throat, but that does mean not constantly buying players that we’ll develop for someone else.
Levy needs to sort it out and if Poch is intimating to Levy he can do without Alderweireld then he can wake up and smell the facking coffee too.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
For far too long players have held clubs to ransom. Fair play to Daniel Levy for standing up to players, and saying tough shiiite, you are not getting what you are demanding. If a few other chairman stood up to the players perhaps we would not have these ridiculous wages where players like Pogba and Ozil trouser £300 grand a week for doing SFA.
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Those days are long gone Sandy. If we don't pay him what he wants then a dozen other clubs will. We can't sit here and moan about Spurs doing Spursy things and not winning trophies, but then advocate paying Southampton level wages.
The top teams that win things consistently have the highest wage bills, there is no way around that. The new stadium is supposed to put us on a more equal footing.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
For far too long players have held clubs to ransom. Fair play to Daniel Levy for standing up to players, and saying tough shiiite, you are not getting what you are demanding. If a few other chairman stood up to the players perhaps we would not have these ridiculous wages where players like Pogba and Ozil trouser £300 grand a week for doing SFA.
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But he isn’t asking for £300k. It’s not unreasonable what he’s asking for in relative terms. He also HAS performed for us and has not gone missing like Ozil that you mentioned.
Can’t help thinking you keep barking about how it should be like this and like that and back in the day this wouldn’t be allowed/players holding clubs to ransom etc etc. Times have changed. We need to adjust and pay market rates. Revenue has gone up etc. Sign of the times. Even if we pay more we will still be paying LESS than other clubs but still competing.
Yet at the same time you want us to win trophies and turn up in “big games”. You contradict yourself.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
For far too long players have held clubs to ransom. Fair play to Daniel Levy for standing up to players, and saying tough shiiite, you are not getting what you are demanding. If a few other chairman stood up to the players perhaps we would not have these ridiculous wages where players like Pogba and Ozil trouser £300 grand a week for doing SFA.
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But he isn’t asking for £300k. It’s not unreasonable what he’s asking for in relative terms. He also HAS performed for us and has not gone missing like Ozil that you mentioned.
Can’t help thinking you keep barking about how it should be like this and like that and back in the day this wouldn’t be allowed/players holding clubs to ransom etc etc. Times have changed. We need to adjust and pay market rates. Revenue has gone up etc. Sign of the times. Even if we pay more we will still be paying LESS than other clubs but still competing.
Yet at the same time you want us to win trophies and turn up in “big games”. You contradict yourself.
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Look I have no problem with players getting reasonable wages, what I do have is players holding clubs to ransom. No player should ever, ever be bigger than the club no matter how good they are.
Problem is with the modern players, they are more interested in their wage packet, than actually knuckling down and getting on with the job they are supposed to be paid for. Since Toby has been back in the two games he has played, Spurs have won neither. I wouldn`t say that was a great point to be starting from for demanding more wages than other players in the side.
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
For far too long players have held clubs to ransom. Fair play to Daniel Levy for standing up to players, and saying tough shiiite, you are not getting what you are demanding. If a few other chairman stood up to the players perhaps we would not have these ridiculous wages where players like Pogba and Ozil trouser £300 grand a week for doing SFA.
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But he isn’t asking for £300k. It’s not unreasonable what he’s asking for in relative terms. He also HAS performed for us and has not gone missing like Ozil that you mentioned.
Can’t help thinking you keep barking about how it should be like this and like that and back in the day this wouldn’t be allowed/players holding clubs to ransom etc etc. Times have changed. We need to adjust and pay market rates. Revenue has gone up etc. Sign of the times. Even if we pay more we will still be paying LESS than other clubs but still competing.
Yet at the same time you want us to win trophies and turn up in “big games”. You contradict yourself.
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Look I have no problem with players getting reasonable wages, what I do have is players holding clubs to ransom. No player should ever, ever be bigger than the club no matter how good they are.
Problem is with the modern players, they are more interested in their wage packet, than actually knuckling down and getting on with the job they are supposed to be paid for. Since Toby has been back in the two games he has played, Spurs have won neither. I wouldn`t say that was a great point to be starting from for demanding more wages than other players in the side.
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I agree with you about not holding clubs to ransom, but perhaps it’s the poor communication from the club and powers that be and the mixed signals it just seems that it’s all become a mess and possibly over 10-30k a week which is obviously obscene for the normal man In the street but nothing for top players. Like Ace says it sounds even more stupid if you think to replace a player equal to Toby we will likely have to spend north of 40m and then pay over £100k week at least.
Also Tobyvhas hardly played any games so must be rusty as hell so i cant blame him for the under par performances. One things for sure currently I am more confident with him and Jan as CB partnership than Sanchez who is still adapting to the league.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 54 seconds ago
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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Toby isn't holding the club to randsom. As far as I'm concerned he's done nothing wrong. Hes asked for a Rise/new contract inline with what he's worth as one of the best defenders in the league. He hasn't gone public with complaints, has supported the team through his time out Injured/on the bench (check his twitter account). Ask yourself this.....Toby @ 180K or Pogba/ Ozil @ 300K..... I know who I want
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My arguments would be:
A) If the difference is 130 and 180 there must be some wiggle room ie agree 155, unless Toby doesn't want to stay
B) Toby is irreplaceable. We will probably spend £40m on a far inferior replacement, weakening our squad further.
C) The season ticket prices are only justified if the money goes into the team. With the stadium our revenues will be on par with Liverpool, who pay good wages and transfer fees whilst being well run.
D) A continuation of C really. The top players need to be paid fairly. Having an arbitrary wage structure will only create more issues. The revenues with the stadium should allow more wiggle room.
Basically Levy needs to realise the going rate for top players. He's fleecing the fans, which creates an Arsenal like atmosphere. Fans will demand more and if we drift back to mediocrity it could get ugly.
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
Toby has looked rock solid in the two games he's played; we've failed to win because of lack of creativity and sloppy finishing, not dodgy defending.
Of Toby had been performing for another top six club the way he has for us the last few seasons we wouldn't have a prayer of signing him. We'd just be wishing we had a player like him. If he becomes available, all the top clubs will be after him - that tells you everything you need to know. If we allow him to leave because of a quibble over £30k a week in wages when we're prepared to lay out £30m & £90k a week on dross like Sissoko, I will be fuming. Unless someone can tell me of a replacement who will be every bit as good as Toby and cost us much less in transfer fees & wages? I'd be interested to hear that.
And for those saying "yeah but your other top players will then want parity..." Yes, they will, but that is an inevitability we are gonna have to face whether we keep Toby or not, and if we don't face up to it and start budgeting for it then market forces dictate that we will lose them too. We're gonna end up with a TAG Heuer team in a Rolex stadium.
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spot on mate
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 29 minutes ago
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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So with 25% of the Leagues 20 Best players your struggling to hold on to 4th place. Maybe poch isnt a Grand wizard after alm.
They should tell Toby, here`s the deal. Get Spurs over the line and a top four position and CL next season, and you get a pay rise. Fail to do that and Spurs end up in the Europa League next season, then you can go do one.
That is how it works, you can only start calling the shots, if you are delivering. Which seems fair enough.
It is allegedly not just about money with Toby though, he wants the chance to win things, him turning down our offer and demanding a salary he knows we won`t pay him, is his way of forcing his way out.
He has had his head turned and is off to Barcelona, the only way he would stay is if we pay him more than anybody else is offering (the alleged 180k a week he is asking for), as our offer is around the amount being offered elsewhere.
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 13 minutes ago
It is allegedly not just about money with Toby though, he wants the chance to win things, him turning down our offer and demanding a salary he knows we won`t pay him, is his way of forcing his way out.
He has had his head turned and is off to Barcelona, the only way he would stay is if we pay him more than anybody else is offering (the alleged 180k a week he is asking for), as our offer is around the amount being offered elsewhere.
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Well if he wants to win things, then fair enough. Spurs just don`t do trophies.
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I would keep for another year, and if he wants to leave for £25 million next year, then so be it. I certainly would not be giving in to wage demands. He apparently was offered a new improved contract, accepted it, then his agent has probably been in his ear, telling him to turn it down again. Not acceptable behaviour, no matter how good he is.
The point being as well, he has come back for the Brighton and WBA games and Spurs have won neither.
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Pay up or shut up, if he hangs about till next January he can talk to any club he likes negotiate a big singing on fee and the wage he wants. and the club gets sfa.
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if he wants to go to a rival premier league club no sale keep him for another year, if he wants to go overseas that is a different situation
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comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 1 minute ago
Pay up or shut up, if he hangs about till next January he can talk to any club he likes negotiate a big singing on fee and the wage he wants. and the club gets sfa.
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That's the year after, next summer we would get £25m, but he could sign for whoever he likes - there are effectively 2 years left on his contract
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comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
Toby apparently wants £180k a week, Spurs are unwilling to go above £130k as it will distort the wage bill. What are your thoughts on:
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If that's the case, we are mugs not to pay it. To replace him, we'd probably have to lay out £50m and £130k a week anyway. We already have the best, why throw him away? I'm sorry but it's utterly ridiculous. And if Levy thinks by not paying Toby that will stop other players agents looking for pay increases in excess of £130k a week, he's delusional. I've always been a huge supporter of our model as a club, but you can't go on for ever doing things on the cheap - especially when you're charging top whack for tickets and announcing record revenues - that model can only get you so far and we've done very well to get this far on it, but at some point we have to take the next step otherwise why bother building the new stadium? Let Toby go, and it sends the message that we're not serious about competing. Anyone think Poch will be happy about it? Course not. Keep him and we make a statement to our fans and other clubs who were rubbing their hands together at the prospect of his availability. There's still time, facking pay the man Levy you cuuuunt.
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These were pretty much my exact thoughts a month ago, and since then I've forked out £1300 on season ticket. Outrageous to charge fans so much and not increase the wage bill.
An extra £100k per week for our top 5 players is £25m per year. In this day and age that really isn't that much. This side is too good to rip it apart over £25m per season.
posted on 7/5/18
Those choosing option B, be aware that next summer he could agree to go to Lpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and there isn't a thing we could do about it.
I agree with Ace on this one, Toby is worth breaking the structure for. The ST prices, TV deals and hopefully CL qualification, and stadium naming rights should allow us to increase the wage bill for all the players we want to keep
posted on 7/5/18
For far too long players have held clubs to ransom. Fair play to Daniel Levy for standing up to players, and saying tough shiiite, you are not getting what you are demanding. If a few other chairman stood up to the players perhaps we would not have these ridiculous wages where players like Pogba and Ozil trouser £300 grand a week for doing SFA.
posted on 7/5/18
E. Find some obvious middle ground between 130k a week and 180k. Eg, 150k a week.
I don’t care what Poch says, neither Dier or Sanchez are close to being on his level, so I hope he’s not getting any ideas that Sanchez has seamlessly filled in for Alderweireld is easily dispensable. Alderweireld was near to or at the top of his game before his injury, and I know for damn sure we won’t find a replacement of his quality should he be sold. We’re not some feeder club like Southampton for example where we replace proven quality for potential, if we’ve got serious ambitions of competing with the best then we have to act like it. That doesn’t mean spending £100m on a player and giving them 250k a week before anyone jumps down my throat, but that does mean not constantly buying players that we’ll develop for someone else.
Levy needs to sort it out and if Poch is intimating to Levy he can do without Alderweireld then he can wake up and smell the facking coffee too.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
For far too long players have held clubs to ransom. Fair play to Daniel Levy for standing up to players, and saying tough shiiite, you are not getting what you are demanding. If a few other chairman stood up to the players perhaps we would not have these ridiculous wages where players like Pogba and Ozil trouser £300 grand a week for doing SFA.
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Those days are long gone Sandy. If we don't pay him what he wants then a dozen other clubs will. We can't sit here and moan about Spurs doing Spursy things and not winning trophies, but then advocate paying Southampton level wages.
The top teams that win things consistently have the highest wage bills, there is no way around that. The new stadium is supposed to put us on a more equal footing.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
For far too long players have held clubs to ransom. Fair play to Daniel Levy for standing up to players, and saying tough shiiite, you are not getting what you are demanding. If a few other chairman stood up to the players perhaps we would not have these ridiculous wages where players like Pogba and Ozil trouser £300 grand a week for doing SFA.
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But he isn’t asking for £300k. It’s not unreasonable what he’s asking for in relative terms. He also HAS performed for us and has not gone missing like Ozil that you mentioned.
Can’t help thinking you keep barking about how it should be like this and like that and back in the day this wouldn’t be allowed/players holding clubs to ransom etc etc. Times have changed. We need to adjust and pay market rates. Revenue has gone up etc. Sign of the times. Even if we pay more we will still be paying LESS than other clubs but still competing.
Yet at the same time you want us to win trophies and turn up in “big games”. You contradict yourself.
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
For far too long players have held clubs to ransom. Fair play to Daniel Levy for standing up to players, and saying tough shiiite, you are not getting what you are demanding. If a few other chairman stood up to the players perhaps we would not have these ridiculous wages where players like Pogba and Ozil trouser £300 grand a week for doing SFA.
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But he isn’t asking for £300k. It’s not unreasonable what he’s asking for in relative terms. He also HAS performed for us and has not gone missing like Ozil that you mentioned.
Can’t help thinking you keep barking about how it should be like this and like that and back in the day this wouldn’t be allowed/players holding clubs to ransom etc etc. Times have changed. We need to adjust and pay market rates. Revenue has gone up etc. Sign of the times. Even if we pay more we will still be paying LESS than other clubs but still competing.
Yet at the same time you want us to win trophies and turn up in “big games”. You contradict yourself.
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Look I have no problem with players getting reasonable wages, what I do have is players holding clubs to ransom. No player should ever, ever be bigger than the club no matter how good they are.
Problem is with the modern players, they are more interested in their wage packet, than actually knuckling down and getting on with the job they are supposed to be paid for. Since Toby has been back in the two games he has played, Spurs have won neither. I wouldn`t say that was a great point to be starting from for demanding more wages than other players in the side.
posted on 7/5/18
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
For far too long players have held clubs to ransom. Fair play to Daniel Levy for standing up to players, and saying tough shiiite, you are not getting what you are demanding. If a few other chairman stood up to the players perhaps we would not have these ridiculous wages where players like Pogba and Ozil trouser £300 grand a week for doing SFA.
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But he isn’t asking for £300k. It’s not unreasonable what he’s asking for in relative terms. He also HAS performed for us and has not gone missing like Ozil that you mentioned.
Can’t help thinking you keep barking about how it should be like this and like that and back in the day this wouldn’t be allowed/players holding clubs to ransom etc etc. Times have changed. We need to adjust and pay market rates. Revenue has gone up etc. Sign of the times. Even if we pay more we will still be paying LESS than other clubs but still competing.
Yet at the same time you want us to win trophies and turn up in “big games”. You contradict yourself.
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Look I have no problem with players getting reasonable wages, what I do have is players holding clubs to ransom. No player should ever, ever be bigger than the club no matter how good they are.
Problem is with the modern players, they are more interested in their wage packet, than actually knuckling down and getting on with the job they are supposed to be paid for. Since Toby has been back in the two games he has played, Spurs have won neither. I wouldn`t say that was a great point to be starting from for demanding more wages than other players in the side.
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I agree with you about not holding clubs to ransom, but perhaps it’s the poor communication from the club and powers that be and the mixed signals it just seems that it’s all become a mess and possibly over 10-30k a week which is obviously obscene for the normal man In the street but nothing for top players. Like Ace says it sounds even more stupid if you think to replace a player equal to Toby we will likely have to spend north of 40m and then pay over £100k week at least.
Also Tobyvhas hardly played any games so must be rusty as hell so i cant blame him for the under par performances. One things for sure currently I am more confident with him and Jan as CB partnership than Sanchez who is still adapting to the league.
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comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 54 seconds ago
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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Toby isn't holding the club to randsom. As far as I'm concerned he's done nothing wrong. Hes asked for a Rise/new contract inline with what he's worth as one of the best defenders in the league. He hasn't gone public with complaints, has supported the team through his time out Injured/on the bench (check his twitter account). Ask yourself this.....Toby @ 180K or Pogba/ Ozil @ 300K..... I know who I want
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My arguments would be:
A) If the difference is 130 and 180 there must be some wiggle room ie agree 155, unless Toby doesn't want to stay
B) Toby is irreplaceable. We will probably spend £40m on a far inferior replacement, weakening our squad further.
C) The season ticket prices are only justified if the money goes into the team. With the stadium our revenues will be on par with Liverpool, who pay good wages and transfer fees whilst being well run.
D) A continuation of C really. The top players need to be paid fairly. Having an arbitrary wage structure will only create more issues. The revenues with the stadium should allow more wiggle room.
Basically Levy needs to realise the going rate for top players. He's fleecing the fans, which creates an Arsenal like atmosphere. Fans will demand more and if we drift back to mediocrity it could get ugly.
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comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
Toby has looked rock solid in the two games he's played; we've failed to win because of lack of creativity and sloppy finishing, not dodgy defending.
Of Toby had been performing for another top six club the way he has for us the last few seasons we wouldn't have a prayer of signing him. We'd just be wishing we had a player like him. If he becomes available, all the top clubs will be after him - that tells you everything you need to know. If we allow him to leave because of a quibble over £30k a week in wages when we're prepared to lay out £30m & £90k a week on dross like Sissoko, I will be fuming. Unless someone can tell me of a replacement who will be every bit as good as Toby and cost us much less in transfer fees & wages? I'd be interested to hear that.
And for those saying "yeah but your other top players will then want parity..." Yes, they will, but that is an inevitability we are gonna have to face whether we keep Toby or not, and if we don't face up to it and start budgeting for it then market forces dictate that we will lose them too. We're gonna end up with a TAG Heuer team in a Rolex stadium.
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spot on mate
posted on 7/5/18
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 29 minutes ago
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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So with 25% of the Leagues 20 Best players your struggling to hold on to 4th place. Maybe poch isnt a Grand wizard after alm.
posted on 7/5/18
They should tell Toby, here`s the deal. Get Spurs over the line and a top four position and CL next season, and you get a pay rise. Fail to do that and Spurs end up in the Europa League next season, then you can go do one.
That is how it works, you can only start calling the shots, if you are delivering. Which seems fair enough.
posted on 7/5/18
It is allegedly not just about money with Toby though, he wants the chance to win things, him turning down our offer and demanding a salary he knows we won`t pay him, is his way of forcing his way out.
He has had his head turned and is off to Barcelona, the only way he would stay is if we pay him more than anybody else is offering (the alleged 180k a week he is asking for), as our offer is around the amount being offered elsewhere.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 13 minutes ago
It is allegedly not just about money with Toby though, he wants the chance to win things, him turning down our offer and demanding a salary he knows we won`t pay him, is his way of forcing his way out.
He has had his head turned and is off to Barcelona, the only way he would stay is if we pay him more than anybody else is offering (the alleged 180k a week he is asking for), as our offer is around the amount being offered elsewhere.
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Well if he wants to win things, then fair enough. Spurs just don`t do trophies.
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