comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 29 minutes ago
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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So with 25% of the Leagues 20 Best players your struggling to hold on to 4th place. Maybe poch isnt a Grand wizard after alm.
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Agree...... I like Poch, good young manager & a fine coach but he has some glaring weaknesses. His record in big games is terrible, his policy of rotating players/ late/ reactionary substitutions is highly questionable and he hides behind the fact he's "building something & everything is part of a project". He shows a lack of understanding of the club..... all this talk of the Prem & CL over a cup win in regards to a club who haven't won a thing in 20+ years. If he wants to be regarded as one of the best, he needs to deliver in a big spot.... He is yet to prove he can in either Spain or England
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posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 29 minutes ago
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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So with 25% of the Leagues 20 Best players your struggling to hold on to 4th place. Maybe poch isnt a Grand wizard after alm.
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Agree...... I like Poch, good young manager & a fine coach but he has some glaring weaknesses. His record in big games is terrible, his policy of rotating players/ late/ reactionary substitutions is highly questionable and he hides behind the fact he's "building something & everything is part of a project". He shows a lack of understanding of the club..... all this talk of the Prem & CL over a cup win in regards to a club who haven't won a thing in 20+ years. If he wants to be regarded as one of the best, he needs to deliver in a big spot.... He is yet to prove he can in either Spain or England
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10 years in management without a trophy is like the Moyes situation at Everton, where everybody was praising him despite him having won SFA. As soon as he left Everton, everybody could see what he was really like. Not a lot.
I can remember United falling over themselves because everybody said Moyes was one of the best young managers out there. How wrong were they. The same thing I think is going to happen to Poch. Lots of praise, win nothing, moves on and his standing will plummet.
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posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Ledders the King - Football Manager Legend (U20121)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
Pay him ffs. It is literally the money that is the problem. He has mates here and is playing where he wants to be. He just knows his wage is a pissss take
I would take up the one year option. Put some large personal performance related bonuses in there to get him to 80k a week
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 29 minutes ago
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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So with 25% of the Leagues 20 Best players your struggling to hold on to 4th place. Maybe poch isnt a Grand wizard after alm.
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Agree...... I like Poch, good young manager & a fine coach but he has some glaring weaknesses. His record in big games is terrible, his policy of rotating players/ late/ reactionary substitutions is highly questionable and he hides behind the fact he's "building something & everything is part of a project". He shows a lack of understanding of the club..... all this talk of the Prem & CL over a cup win in regards to a club who haven't won a thing in 20+ years. If he wants to be regarded as one of the best, he needs to deliver in a big spot.... He is yet to prove he can in either Spain or England
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10 years in management without a trophy is like the Moyes situation at Everton, where everybody was praising him despite him having won SFA. As soon as he left Everton, everybody could see what he was really like. Not a lot.
I can remember United falling over themselves because everybody said Moyes was one of the best young managers out there. How wrong were they. The same thing I think is going to happen to Poch. Lots of praise, win nothing, moves on and his standing will plummet.
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Poch is definitely a better manager than Moyes.
Plus you say it's been 10 years in management without winning a trophy, like he was expected to win something at Espagnol and Southampton. He wasn't. It's really only Spurs you could label that at him for, and he's only been with us a few years.
We definitely can't sell to another prem team unless the offer is ludicrous - like £80m. Put Toby in the Liverpool team and we won't finish ahead of them anymore.
If Barca want him, then we should negotiate then stepping aside in the pursuit of De Ligt, whom could be a long term replacement.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 16 minutes ago
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comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 16 minutes ago
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posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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Sell him for top dollar to a rival or get something in exhange, which one is it?
Selling to a rival and then buying a player is a separate deal so it wouldn’t be in exchange, and there’s no chance we’d sell for top dollar AND they throw in a player as part of the deal.
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posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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Sell him for top dollar to a rival or get something in exhange, which one is it?
Selling to a rival and then buying a player is a separate deal so it wouldn’t be in exchange, and there’s no chance we’d sell for top dollar AND they throw in a player as part of the deal.
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I'd want an exchange for a player if we were to sell to a rival. I wouldn't want us to do a Walker again is what I'm saying. That's what I meant by something in return - a player of theirs.
Ideally I'd want us to keep Toby though, even if I accept this isn't going to happen.
If we are clearing out it's vital we bring as much in otherwise we are falling further back
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
Toby has looked rock solid in the two games he's played; we've failed to win because of lack of creativity and sloppy finishing, not dodgy defending.
Of Toby had been performing for another top six club the way he has for us the last few seasons we wouldn't have a prayer of signing him. We'd just be wishing we had a player like him. If he becomes available, all the top clubs will be after him - that tells you everything you need to know. If we allow him to leave because of a quibble over £30k a week in wages when we're prepared to lay out £30m & £90k a week on dross like Sissoko, I will be fuming. Unless someone can tell me of a replacement who will be every bit as good as Toby and cost us much less in transfer fees & wages? I'd be interested to hear that.
And for those saying "yeah but your other top players will then want parity..." Yes, they will, but that is an inevitability we are gonna have to face whether we keep Toby or not, and if we don't face up to it and start budgeting for it then market forces dictate that we will lose them too. We're gonna end up with a TAG Heuer team in a Rolex stadium.
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Quality comment Ace.
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I don't understand how his option of another year works. Is it that the club can simply extend it whether he likes it of not?
I think Toby when on song is a world class CB in fact one of the very best. However he has only completed more than 30 games in a season 3 times throughout his career. Perhaps Poch is witnessing something in training that makes him think he simply isn’t worth 180k of his wage budget. If he does believe he is worth it, then we need to stomp up and get wage structures adjusted in accordance.
One thing is for sure though, I knew something was up when Levy dug deep into those pockets of his for the 42m to buy Sanchez.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
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I don't understand how his option of another year works. Is it that the club can simply extend it whether he likes it of not?
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Basically yes, it's a very standard deal for Spurs/Levy in that we get to decide whether to activate the extension or not.
Toby's is slightly different, as his has a clause that means we have to sell next summer if another club offers £25m. Otherwise he can stay and then negotiate a free transfer the following Jan. This summer is our last opportunity to sell for big money.
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posted 3 minutes ago
I think Toby when on song is a world class CB in fact one of the very best. However he has only completed more than 30 games in a season 3 times throughout his career. Perhaps Poch is witnessing something in training that makes him think he simply isn’t worth 180k of his wage budget. If he does believe he is worth it, then we need to stomp up and get wage structures adjusted in accordance.
One thing is for sure though, I knew something was up when Levy dug deep into those pockets of his for the 42m to buy Sanchez.
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Unfortunately, I suspect you might be right. But we can't go into next season with Jan, Sanchez and Foyth, plus Dier out of position.
My worry is we will go for a cut price Evans/Mawson.
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comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
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I think Toby when on song is a world class CB in fact one of the very best. However he has only completed more than 30 games in a season 3 times throughout his career. Perhaps Poch is witnessing something in training that makes him think he simply isn’t worth 180k of his wage budget. If he does believe he is worth it, then we need to stomp up and get wage structures adjusted in accordance.
One thing is for sure though, I knew something was up when Levy dug deep into those pockets of his for the 42m to buy Sanchez.
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Unfortunately, I suspect you might be right. But we can't go into next season with Jan, Sanchez and Foyth, plus Dier out of position.
My worry is we will go for a cut price Evans/Mawson.
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Anyone but Evans. Don’t rate him at all. I suspect Poch will be using Dier in CB this season more often as and when needed.
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We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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Sell him for top dollar to a rival or get something in exhange, which one is it?
Selling to a rival and then buying a player is a separate deal so it wouldn’t be in exchange, and there’s no chance we’d sell for top dollar AND they throw in a player as part of the deal.
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I'd want an exchange for a player if we were to sell to a rival. I wouldn't want us to do a Walker again is what I'm saying. That's what I meant by something in return - a player of theirs.
Ideally I'd want us to keep Toby though, even if I accept this isn't going to happen.
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Yes so that’s my point then, a player in exchange would mean we wouldn’t be selling for top dollar.
For example £25m and Martial is far from top dollar. Could sell him abroad for more whilst not strengthening a rival and then use the cash to buy a viable replacement for Alderweireld and then look to sign a forward/wide forward.
I’ll be fuming if we go for some squad filler bargain option like Evans or some boy to try and fill a man’s shoes.
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We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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Sell him for top dollar to a rival or get something in exhange, which one is it?
Selling to a rival and then buying a player is a separate deal so it wouldn’t be in exchange, and there’s no chance we’d sell for top dollar AND they throw in a player as part of the deal.
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I'd want an exchange for a player if we were to sell to a rival. I wouldn't want us to do a Walker again is what I'm saying. That's what I meant by something in return - a player of theirs.
Ideally I'd want us to keep Toby though, even if I accept this isn't going to happen.
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Yes so that’s my point then, a player in exchange would mean we wouldn’t be selling for top dollar.
For example £25m and Martial is far from top dollar. Could sell him abroad for more whilst not strengthening a rival and then use the cash to buy a viable replacement for Alderweireld and then look to sign a forward/wide forward.
I’ll be fuming if we go for some squad filler bargain option like Evans or some boy to try and fill a man’s shoes.
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I know that. I'm not saying anything to the contrary. The 3 options for me in order of preference are:
1) Keep Toby (not likely to happen)
2) Sell Toby for lots of money abroad
3) Sell to a rival only in exchange for one of their players
Option 3 will depend on who we could take from the rival.
I would not want to just sell Toby to a rival for big money and re-spend it a la Walker.
Levy just has to change his attitude to the Market for footballers and their wages - that is the real problem with Spurs ATM.
If he does not stop treating the club as a money-making business and start treating it as a long-term growth investment, it will remain an also ran in the current premiership competition.
I think Pochettino is beginning to understand this - given his recent odd remarks about "being here next season".
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comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 29 minutes ago
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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So with 25% of the Leagues 20 Best players your struggling to hold on to 4th place. Maybe poch isnt a Grand wizard after alm.
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Agree...... I like Poch, good young manager & a fine coach but he has some glaring weaknesses. His record in big games is terrible, his policy of rotating players/ late/ reactionary substitutions is highly questionable and he hides behind the fact he's "building something & everything is part of a project". He shows a lack of understanding of the club..... all this talk of the Prem & CL over a cup win in regards to a club who haven't won a thing in 20+ years. If he wants to be regarded as one of the best, he needs to deliver in a big spot.... He is yet to prove he can in either Spain or England
posted on 7/5/18
comment by Ledders the King - Football Manager Legend (U20121)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 29 minutes ago
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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So with 25% of the Leagues 20 Best players your struggling to hold on to 4th place. Maybe poch isnt a Grand wizard after alm.
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Agree...... I like Poch, good young manager & a fine coach but he has some glaring weaknesses. His record in big games is terrible, his policy of rotating players/ late/ reactionary substitutions is highly questionable and he hides behind the fact he's "building something & everything is part of a project". He shows a lack of understanding of the club..... all this talk of the Prem & CL over a cup win in regards to a club who haven't won a thing in 20+ years. If he wants to be regarded as one of the best, he needs to deliver in a big spot.... He is yet to prove he can in either Spain or England
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10 years in management without a trophy is like the Moyes situation at Everton, where everybody was praising him despite him having won SFA. As soon as he left Everton, everybody could see what he was really like. Not a lot.
I can remember United falling over themselves because everybody said Moyes was one of the best young managers out there. How wrong were they. The same thing I think is going to happen to Poch. Lots of praise, win nothing, moves on and his standing will plummet.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Ledders the King - Football Manager Legend (U20121)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
posted on 7/5/18
Pay him ffs. It is literally the money that is the problem. He has mates here and is playing where he wants to be. He just knows his wage is a pissss take
posted on 7/5/18
I would take up the one year option. Put some large personal performance related bonuses in there to get him to 80k a week
posted on 7/5/18
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 29 minutes ago
Pay Him, Pay Kane, Pay Dele, Pay Eriksen & Pay Dier & Pay Jan. These are amongst the best 20 Players in the league and should be paid accordingly. If not Sell them, get the stadium paid of as quick as poss and start again. If the likes of Rose, Lamela, Waynamma, Sonny etc come knocking for pay deals then tell them to do one.. they are not in the same league. Either properly commit to this team and see if we can win something or don't. This summer will tell us everything we need to know about our club. We are either just happy to finish top 4 or take it to the next level
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So with 25% of the Leagues 20 Best players your struggling to hold on to 4th place. Maybe poch isnt a Grand wizard after alm.
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Agree...... I like Poch, good young manager & a fine coach but he has some glaring weaknesses. His record in big games is terrible, his policy of rotating players/ late/ reactionary substitutions is highly questionable and he hides behind the fact he's "building something & everything is part of a project". He shows a lack of understanding of the club..... all this talk of the Prem & CL over a cup win in regards to a club who haven't won a thing in 20+ years. If he wants to be regarded as one of the best, he needs to deliver in a big spot.... He is yet to prove he can in either Spain or England
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10 years in management without a trophy is like the Moyes situation at Everton, where everybody was praising him despite him having won SFA. As soon as he left Everton, everybody could see what he was really like. Not a lot.
I can remember United falling over themselves because everybody said Moyes was one of the best young managers out there. How wrong were they. The same thing I think is going to happen to Poch. Lots of praise, win nothing, moves on and his standing will plummet.
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Poch is definitely a better manager than Moyes.
Plus you say it's been 10 years in management without winning a trophy, like he was expected to win something at Espagnol and Southampton. He wasn't. It's really only Spurs you could label that at him for, and he's only been with us a few years.
posted on 7/5/18
We definitely can't sell to another prem team unless the offer is ludicrous - like £80m. Put Toby in the Liverpool team and we won't finish ahead of them anymore.
If Barca want him, then we should negotiate then stepping aside in the pursuit of De Ligt, whom could be a long term replacement.
posted on 7/5/18
*180k a week
posted on 7/5/18
comment by Ledders the King - Football Manager Legend (U20121)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Ledders the King - Football Manager Legend (U20121)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Ledders the King - Football Manager Legend (U20121)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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Sell him for top dollar to a rival or get something in exhange, which one is it?
Selling to a rival and then buying a player is a separate deal so it wouldn’t be in exchange, and there’s no chance we’d sell for top dollar AND they throw in a player as part of the deal.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by Ledders the King - Football Manager Legend (U20121)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Ledders the King - Football Manager Legend (U20121)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Ledders the King - Football Manager Legend (U20121)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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Sell him for top dollar to a rival or get something in exhange, which one is it?
Selling to a rival and then buying a player is a separate deal so it wouldn’t be in exchange, and there’s no chance we’d sell for top dollar AND they throw in a player as part of the deal.
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I'd want an exchange for a player if we were to sell to a rival. I wouldn't want us to do a Walker again is what I'm saying. That's what I meant by something in return - a player of theirs.
Ideally I'd want us to keep Toby though, even if I accept this isn't going to happen.
posted on 7/5/18
If we are clearing out it's vital we bring as much in otherwise we are falling further back
posted on 7/5/18
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
Toby has looked rock solid in the two games he's played; we've failed to win because of lack of creativity and sloppy finishing, not dodgy defending.
Of Toby had been performing for another top six club the way he has for us the last few seasons we wouldn't have a prayer of signing him. We'd just be wishing we had a player like him. If he becomes available, all the top clubs will be after him - that tells you everything you need to know. If we allow him to leave because of a quibble over £30k a week in wages when we're prepared to lay out £30m & £90k a week on dross like Sissoko, I will be fuming. Unless someone can tell me of a replacement who will be every bit as good as Toby and cost us much less in transfer fees & wages? I'd be interested to hear that.
And for those saying "yeah but your other top players will then want parity..." Yes, they will, but that is an inevitability we are gonna have to face whether we keep Toby or not, and if we don't face up to it and start budgeting for it then market forces dictate that we will lose them too. We're gonna end up with a TAG Heuer team in a Rolex stadium.
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Quality comment Ace.
posted on 7/5/18
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posted on 7/5/18
I don't understand how his option of another year works. Is it that the club can simply extend it whether he likes it of not?
posted on 7/5/18
I think Toby when on song is a world class CB in fact one of the very best. However he has only completed more than 30 games in a season 3 times throughout his career. Perhaps Poch is witnessing something in training that makes him think he simply isn’t worth 180k of his wage budget. If he does believe he is worth it, then we need to stomp up and get wage structures adjusted in accordance.
One thing is for sure though, I knew something was up when Levy dug deep into those pockets of his for the 42m to buy Sanchez.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't understand how his option of another year works. Is it that the club can simply extend it whether he likes it of not?
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Basically yes, it's a very standard deal for Spurs/Levy in that we get to decide whether to activate the extension or not.
Toby's is slightly different, as his has a clause that means we have to sell next summer if another club offers £25m. Otherwise he can stay and then negotiate a free transfer the following Jan. This summer is our last opportunity to sell for big money.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think Toby when on song is a world class CB in fact one of the very best. However he has only completed more than 30 games in a season 3 times throughout his career. Perhaps Poch is witnessing something in training that makes him think he simply isn’t worth 180k of his wage budget. If he does believe he is worth it, then we need to stomp up and get wage structures adjusted in accordance.
One thing is for sure though, I knew something was up when Levy dug deep into those pockets of his for the 42m to buy Sanchez.
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Unfortunately, I suspect you might be right. But we can't go into next season with Jan, Sanchez and Foyth, plus Dier out of position.
My worry is we will go for a cut price Evans/Mawson.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think Toby when on song is a world class CB in fact one of the very best. However he has only completed more than 30 games in a season 3 times throughout his career. Perhaps Poch is witnessing something in training that makes him think he simply isn’t worth 180k of his wage budget. If he does believe he is worth it, then we need to stomp up and get wage structures adjusted in accordance.
One thing is for sure though, I knew something was up when Levy dug deep into those pockets of his for the 42m to buy Sanchez.
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Unfortunately, I suspect you might be right. But we can't go into next season with Jan, Sanchez and Foyth, plus Dier out of position.
My worry is we will go for a cut price Evans/Mawson.
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Anyone but Evans. Don’t rate him at all. I suspect Poch will be using Dier in CB this season more often as and when needed.
posted on 7/5/18
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posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
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comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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Sell him for top dollar to a rival or get something in exhange, which one is it?
Selling to a rival and then buying a player is a separate deal so it wouldn’t be in exchange, and there’s no chance we’d sell for top dollar AND they throw in a player as part of the deal.
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I'd want an exchange for a player if we were to sell to a rival. I wouldn't want us to do a Walker again is what I'm saying. That's what I meant by something in return - a player of theirs.
Ideally I'd want us to keep Toby though, even if I accept this isn't going to happen.
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Yes so that’s my point then, a player in exchange would mean we wouldn’t be selling for top dollar.
For example £25m and Martial is far from top dollar. Could sell him abroad for more whilst not strengthening a rival and then use the cash to buy a viable replacement for Alderweireld and then look to sign a forward/wide forward.
I’ll be fuming if we go for some squad filler bargain option like Evans or some boy to try and fill a man’s shoes.
posted on 7/5/18
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comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 35 minutes ago
We should keep him, and increase the wages of the others as we will have to do this anyway if we want a better chance of keeping.
What I'd wonder is, how much will he play if we were to keep him on those increased wages? Will Poch start playing a back 3 again? He may have to to justify it, unless Sanchez or Vert sustains a long term injury.
Ultimately, I feel like it's daft speculating at what we'd do if we keep him because I can't see that happening, so we either need to sell abroad for big money, or sell to a rival and make sure we get something in return.
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Selling to a rival is a ludicrous idea. We should not be in the business of solving our rivals problems, irrespective of whether we’re getting something in return. They all have the finances to spend big, so let them go spend big on players elsewhere as opposed to letting them off the hook with some cash-plus-player deal.
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I'd agree but we've fallen back to our old ways of doing this after the sale of Walker, and this now seems a likely destination for Toby. If we are to do this then we have to make sure we get something in return, like Arsenal did with Sanchez.
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We sold Walker for top dollar though as opposed to some sort of part-exchange deal which I think you’re alluding to? Besides the Sanchez-Mkhi deal was between 2 clubs who can and will pay the relevant wages. I can’t see anyone who we’d want from our rivals who we’d pay enough to attract them anyway.
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We'd sell Toby to a rival for a lot of money I'm assuming, so I don't know what you mean there?
Someone like Martial or Rashford in exchange wouldn't be the worst deal, and they're players their fans wouldn't want to see leave, and with Jose's record, they'd probably go on to be world class. Their wages aren't huge at United either apparently.
I doubt it will happen but if that scenario reared its head, it wouldn't be such a bad outcome for us.
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Sell him for top dollar to a rival or get something in exhange, which one is it?
Selling to a rival and then buying a player is a separate deal so it wouldn’t be in exchange, and there’s no chance we’d sell for top dollar AND they throw in a player as part of the deal.
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I'd want an exchange for a player if we were to sell to a rival. I wouldn't want us to do a Walker again is what I'm saying. That's what I meant by something in return - a player of theirs.
Ideally I'd want us to keep Toby though, even if I accept this isn't going to happen.
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Yes so that’s my point then, a player in exchange would mean we wouldn’t be selling for top dollar.
For example £25m and Martial is far from top dollar. Could sell him abroad for more whilst not strengthening a rival and then use the cash to buy a viable replacement for Alderweireld and then look to sign a forward/wide forward.
I’ll be fuming if we go for some squad filler bargain option like Evans or some boy to try and fill a man’s shoes.
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I know that. I'm not saying anything to the contrary. The 3 options for me in order of preference are:
1) Keep Toby (not likely to happen)
2) Sell Toby for lots of money abroad
3) Sell to a rival only in exchange for one of their players
Option 3 will depend on who we could take from the rival.
I would not want to just sell Toby to a rival for big money and re-spend it a la Walker.
posted on 7/5/18
Levy just has to change his attitude to the Market for footballers and their wages - that is the real problem with Spurs ATM.
If he does not stop treating the club as a money-making business and start treating it as a long-term growth investment, it will remain an also ran in the current premiership competition.
I think Pochettino is beginning to understand this - given his recent odd remarks about "being here next season".
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