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Rashford and Lingard in England squad

No place for Smalling,Jones, Young or Shaw.

How on earth has Lingard got in? After a fairly impressive season in 17/18 he's been utterly dreadful this year. Barely done anything for us of note.

Rashford probably just about deserves it over the whole season although he went off the boil completely in the end.

Also our double fans and players player of the year, Shaw, can't even get in the England squad. Doesn't that say everything about our current plight?

4 regular English starters for us but not good enough for England squad.

I think I'm in agreement with G neville. We need a completely new back 4. Possibly keep Lindelof and Shaw plus Tuanzebe and get rid of all the others.

posted 1 week ago

comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
Deli is very similar to Lingard in that he has these short spells where he looks a world beater and the rest of the time is crap.
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He's almost the opposite in other ways.

Dele is pretty wasteful with the ball but usually directly contributes pretty heavily to the bottom line.

Lingard is relatively very frugal, but is always amongst the top few forwards in the league in terms of pass completion and ball retention.
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He rarely has the ball and when he does he passes it 3 yards. When do you see him create even a chance?
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He doesn't create so many chances (as I've said), but he has more touches per game than any of our other forwards.

posted 1 week ago

comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
Deli is very similar to Lingard in that he has these short spells where he looks a world beater and the rest of the time is crap.
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He's almost the opposite in other ways.

Dele is pretty wasteful with the ball but usually directly contributes pretty heavily to the bottom line.

Lingard is relatively very frugal, but is always amongst the top few forwards in the league in terms of pass completion and ball retention.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He rarely has the ball and when he does he passes it 3 yards. When do you see him create even a chance?
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He doesn't create so many chances (as I've said), but he has more touches per game than any of our other forwards.
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He also 27 goals/assists in 126 games in last 4 seasons in the prem and CL. What does that tell you

posted 1 week ago

comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
Deli is very similar to Lingard in that he has these short spells where he looks a world beater and the rest of the time is crap.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's almost the opposite in other ways.

Dele is pretty wasteful with the ball but usually directly contributes pretty heavily to the bottom line.

Lingard is relatively very frugal, but is always amongst the top few forwards in the league in terms of pass completion and ball retention.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He rarely has the ball and when he does he passes it 3 yards. When do you see him create even a chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He doesn't create so many chances (as I've said), but he has more touches per game than any of our other forwards.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He also 27 goals/assists in 126 games in last 4 seasons in the prem and CL. What does that tell you
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That he doesn't create so many chances?

posted 6 days, 19 hours ago

comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 6 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
Deli is very similar to Lingard in that he has these short spells where he looks a world beater and the rest of the time is crap.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's almost the opposite in other ways.

Dele is pretty wasteful with the ball but usually directly contributes pretty heavily to the bottom line.

Lingard is relatively very frugal, but is always amongst the top few forwards in the league in terms of pass completion and ball retention.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He rarely has the ball and when he does he passes it 3 yards. When do you see him create even a chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He doesn't create so many chances (as I've said), but he has more touches per game than any of our other forwards.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He also 27 goals/assists in 126 games in last 4 seasons in the prem and CL. What does that tell you
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That he doesn't create so many chances?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah so whats the point of a forward who doesn't create or score then?
Oh but he makes good runs. Fantastic lets keep him then

posted 6 days, 16 hours ago

comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 6 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
Deli is very similar to Lingard in that he has these short spells where he looks a world beater and the rest of the time is crap.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's almost the opposite in other ways.

Dele is pretty wasteful with the ball but usually directly contributes pretty heavily to the bottom line.

Lingard is relatively very frugal, but is always amongst the top few forwards in the league in terms of pass completion and ball retention.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He rarely has the ball and when he does he passes it 3 yards. When do you see him create even a chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He doesn't create so many chances (as I've said), but he has more touches per game than any of our other forwards.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He also 27 goals/assists in 126 games in last 4 seasons in the prem and CL. What does that tell you
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That he doesn't create so many chances?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah so whats the point of a forward who doesn't create or score then?
Oh but he makes good runs. Fantastic lets keep him then
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I think your blind rage at the mere existence of Jesse Lingard might have rendered you incapable of reading my posts

posted 6 days, 15 hours ago

comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 6 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 19 minutes ago
Deli is very similar to Lingard in that he has these short spells where he looks a world beater and the rest of the time is crap.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's almost the opposite in other ways.

Dele is pretty wasteful with the ball but usually directly contributes pretty heavily to the bottom line.

Lingard is relatively very frugal, but is always amongst the top few forwards in the league in terms of pass completion and ball retention.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He rarely has the ball and when he does he passes it 3 yards. When do you see him create even a chance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He doesn't create so many chances (as I've said), but he has more touches per game than any of our other forwards.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He also 27 goals/assists in 126 games in last 4 seasons in the prem and CL. What does that tell you
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That he doesn't create so many chances?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah so whats the point of a forward who doesn't create or score then?
Oh but he makes good runs. Fantastic lets keep him then
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think your blind rage at the mere existence of Jesse Lingard might have rendered you incapable of reading my posts
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So tell me what he does that benefits the team then

posted 6 days, 15 hours ago

And what would the point of that be?

You've had his attributes and the reasons why manager after manager has relied on him explained to you probably a hundred times by plethora different posters.

You don't have to agree with the inclusion of a forward in the side who doesn't contribute heavily to the assists or goals column, of course.

If it's your opinion that a forward has to do that to justify their place, that's fine.

posted 6 days, 15 hours ago

comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
And what would the point of that be?

You've had his attributes and the reasons why manager after manager has relied on him explained to you probably a hundred times by plethora different posters.

You don't have to agree with the inclusion of a forward in the side who doesn't contribute heavily to the assists or goals column, of course.

If it's your opinion that a forward has to do that to justify their place, that's fine.
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I’m asking why he is even played. Yes manager after manager has included him. In probably our worst attacking displays in memory. Please tell me what he actually contributes. You can’t tell me these managers include because he makes good runs
Oh and yes at Manchester United do you honestly believe that scoring or assisting 27 goals in 126 games in pl and cl is in anyway anywhere near good enough? Not just that I generally form my opinion on what I see. When I watch him he is anonymous 90% of games. Doesn’t create anything of note, weak on the ball and clearly his output his shocking.
What would you rather. Play him still or decide to give Chong and Gomes a chance

posted 6 days, 14 hours ago

comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
And what would the point of that be?

You've had his attributes and the reasons why manager after manager has relied on him explained to you probably a hundred times by plethora different posters.

You don't have to agree with the inclusion of a forward in the side who doesn't contribute heavily to the assists or goals column, of course.

If it's your opinion that a forward has to do that to justify their place, that's fine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m asking why he is even played. Yes manager after manager has included him. In probably our worst attacking displays in memory. Please tell me what he actually contributes. You can’t tell me these managers include because he makes good runs
Oh and yes at Manchester United do you honestly believe that scoring or assisting 27 goals in 126 games in pl and cl is in anyway anywhere near good enough? Not just that I generally form my opinion on what I see. When I watch him he is anonymous 90% of games. Doesn’t create anything of note, weak on the ball and clearly his output his shocking.
What would you rather. Play him still or decide to give Chong and Gomes a chance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you don't understand why he is played, you haven't been paying attention to what people have been saying about him for months and years.

I'd like to see us play a more expansive 4-3-3 most weeks without a ten or any narrow inside forward, so Mata (possibly off anyway) and Lingard would be getting fewer games.

I'd still have Lingard around to play as false nine in a defensive 4-5-1, work as a shadow when we're playing against sides that use an influential regista, be available when we do need/want to use a narrower 4-3-3 with the need to work more heavily between the lines, etc.

And it's not an either/or with Lingard and Chong. They're completely different kinds of players who'd be used to play different roles in different games.

What you also get with Lingard that you get with very few of our players is absolutely 100% commitment to the club, on the pitch, in training and to his teammates. He'll sit on the bench all season without complaining, and you won't see his dedication or workrate change. He will literally die for United.

We need more of those at the club, not fewer. We've lost Herrera and Valencia, and we might well lose Jones. Say what you like about the relative talents of those players, but they left everything on the pitch.

Try playing every week with eleven players with the attitudes and work rates of Martial, Pogba and Lukaku and see where you end up.

posted 6 days, 14 hours ago

comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 30 minutes ago
And what would the point of that be?

You've had his attributes and the reasons why manager after manager has relied on him explained to you probably a hundred times by plethora different posters.

You don't have to agree with the inclusion of a forward in the side who doesn't contribute heavily to the assists or goals column, of course.

If it's your opinion that a forward has to do that to justify their place, that's fine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m asking why he is even played. Yes manager after manager has included him. In probably our worst attacking displays in memory. Please tell me what he actually contributes. You can’t tell me these managers include because he makes good runs
Oh and yes at Manchester United do you honestly believe that scoring or assisting 27 goals in 126 games in pl and cl is in anyway anywhere near good enough? Not just that I generally form my opinion on what I see. When I watch him he is anonymous 90% of games. Doesn’t create anything of note, weak on the ball and clearly his output his shocking.
What would you rather. Play him still or decide to give Chong and Gomes a chance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you don't understand why he is played, you haven't been paying attention to what people have been saying about him for months and years.

I'd like to see us play a more expansive 4-3-3 most weeks without a ten or any narrow inside forward, so Mata (possibly off anyway) and Lingard would be getting fewer games.

I'd still have Lingard around to play as false nine in a defensive 4-5-1, work as a shadow when we're playing against sides that use an influential regista, be available when we do need/want to use a narrower 4-3-3 with the need to work more heavily between the lines, etc.

And it's not an either/or with Lingard and Chong. They're completely different kinds of players who'd be used to play different roles in different games.

What you also get with Lingard that you get with very few of our players is absolutely 100% commitment to the club, on the pitch, in training and to his teammates. He'll sit on the bench all season without complaining, and you won't see his dedication or workrate change. He will literally die for United.

We need more of those at the club, not fewer. We've lost Herrera and Valencia, and we might well lose Jones. Say what you like about the relative talents of those players, but they left everything on the pitch.

Try playing every week with eleven players with the attitudes and work rates of Martial, Pogba and Lukaku and see where you end up.
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Trust me I have been paying attention and it simply doesn’t wash with me. He makes good runs, he is 100% committed. That literally is it when it comes to his attributes. I could fecking do that, pay me 100k a week.
Why play him as a false 9. What has he shown that makes you think he can produce in that position. Did you watch him against City? He was utterly pathetic, couldn’t keep hold of the ball in there whatsoever. Not what you want from someone in the centre of the pitch.
Yeah he may well put in more commitment than the others you mentioned. The others however have produced far more than he is over the time they’ve been at the club.
I feel that if he weren’t a local lad or a player that came through the youth system you wouldn’t have the same view. The lad is simply not good enough for Man Utd. Not sure how you can’t see it, he is 27 this yr and hasn’t improved in the slightest.

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