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Just read it in the Guardian

It had passed me by. What are everyones thoughts ?


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/oct/15/liverpool-v-atletico-placed-fans-in-danger-will-anyone-be-held-to-account

posted on 16/10/21

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 42 seconds ago
Also subscription growth is incentivised by offers, that doesnt change people choosing the subscriptions and to a high percentage, staying on board.

Subscription is the way forward for journalism - smaller audience but a paying one. Times, FT, Telegraph cottoned on, the Guardian refuse and have not just declined in quality but now rattle the church collection plate at the bottom of every article.
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But it's free. You can of course subscribe in the same way as the others do, then no begging pieces. So you get a choice, unlike all the others.

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Hes you get a choice between publications that will stay in business and ones that will go bust chasing low common denominator bait

posted on 16/10/21

comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 22 seconds ago
The spectator?

Really?

Boris Johnson used to write utter tripe for that rag.
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Ah its the WUM and rag muncher himself back from the dung heao
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Yeah when you can’t play the ball target the person instead.

Must make one feel really great
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True to this NPEEE hasn’t challenged the data itself, rather where it was published and then proceeded to divert the conversation elsewhere.

posted on 16/10/21

comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 42 seconds ago
Also subscription growth is incentivised by offers, that doesnt change people choosing the subscriptions and to a high percentage, staying on board.

Subscription is the way forward for journalism - smaller audience but a paying one. Times, FT, Telegraph cottoned on, the Guardian refuse and have not just declined in quality but now rattle the church collection plate at the bottom of every article.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But it's free. You can of course subscribe in the same way as the others do, then no begging pieces. So you get a choice, unlike all the others.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hes you get a choice between publications that will stay in business and ones that will go bust chasing low common denominator bait
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So we have established that you don't like the Guardian because it reports things you don't want to hear, and because it provides its content to people for free instead of forcing people to pay to read it.

Yet all this has done is sidestep your complaints about this specific article which you haven't been able to substantiate at all beyond it being in the Guardian.

posted on 16/10/21

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 42 seconds ago
Also subscription growth is incentivised by offers, that doesnt change people choosing the subscriptions and to a high percentage, staying on board.

Subscription is the way forward for journalism - smaller audience but a paying one. Times, FT, Telegraph cottoned on, the Guardian refuse and have not just declined in quality but now rattle the church collection plate at the bottom of every article.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But it's free. You can of course subscribe in the same way as the others do, then no begging pieces. So you get a choice, unlike all the others.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hes you get a choice between publications that will stay in business and ones that will go bust chasing low common denominator bait
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So we have established that you don't like the Guardian because it reports things you don't want to hear, and because it provides its content to people for free instead of forcing people to pay to read it.

Yet all this has done is sidestep your complaints about this specific article which you haven't been able to substantiate at all beyond it being in the Guardian.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, we have established its quality has declined, lost its best writers, and chase American viewers with online clickbait.

We also observed Guardian rattles a tin cup because it has struggled with huge losses over years, albeit recovering slightly recently, and that free sites rely on advertisers and clicks which declines their quality compared to subscriber.

This then morphed into a Spectator chat.

And I said what I said about the initial article - its Project Fear over Covid, as per usual, and that the claims dont even stack up as local hospital admissions regarding an international event like Cheltenham Festival is a bizarre metric.

posted on 16/10/21

comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by *Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 22 seconds ago
The spectator?

Really?

Boris Johnson used to write utter tripe for that rag.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Ah its the WUM and rag muncher himself back from the dung heao
----------------------------------------------------------------------

posted on 16/10/21

comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 42 seconds ago
Also subscription growth is incentivised by offers, that doesnt change people choosing the subscriptions and to a high percentage, staying on board.

Subscription is the way forward for journalism - smaller audience but a paying one. Times, FT, Telegraph cottoned on, the Guardian refuse and have not just declined in quality but now rattle the church collection plate at the bottom of every article.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But it's free. You can of course subscribe in the same way as the others do, then no begging pieces. So you get a choice, unlike all the others.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hes you get a choice between publications that will stay in business and ones that will go bust chasing low common denominator bait
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So we have established that you don't like the Guardian because it reports things you don't want to hear, and because it provides its content to people for free instead of forcing people to pay to read it.

Yet all this has done is sidestep your complaints about this specific article which you haven't been able to substantiate at all beyond it being in the Guardian.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, we have established its quality has declined, lost its best writers, and chase American viewers with online clickbait.

We also observed Guardian rattles a tin cup because it has struggled with huge losses over years, albeit recovering slightly recently, and that free sites rely on advertisers and clicks which declines their quality compared to subscriber.

This then morphed into a Spectator chat.

And I said what I said about the initial article - its Project Fear over Covid, as per usual, and that the claims dont even stack up as local hospital admissions regarding an international event like Cheltenham Festival is a bizarre metric.

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Established in your own mind.
We have established that the Spectator is a right wing rag who employed liars and almost certainly still does.

No need to take the Guardians word for what happened, in the article it gives a link to the government report.
Read that and say it's scaremongering

posted on 16/10/21

comment by Culér (U9489)
posted 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 29 minutes ago
I have to agree with Culer here.
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I am a man of the people Boris. For the many, not the few.
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What...!

I thought you were the financial advisor to the worlds oligarchs...how could I have got you so wrong

posted on 16/10/21

The Guardian is surely a paper for loony lefty liberals who can't complete the crossword due to constant spellin' errors

posted on 16/10/21

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 42 seconds ago
Also subscription growth is incentivised by offers, that doesnt change people choosing the subscriptions and to a high percentage, staying on board.

Subscription is the way forward for journalism - smaller audience but a paying one. Times, FT, Telegraph cottoned on, the Guardian refuse and have not just declined in quality but now rattle the church collection plate at the bottom of every article.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But it's free. You can of course subscribe in the same way as the others do, then no begging pieces. So you get a choice, unlike all the others.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hes you get a choice between publications that will stay in business and ones that will go bust chasing low common denominator bait
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So we have established that you don't like the Guardian because it reports things you don't want to hear, and because it provides its content to people for free instead of forcing people to pay to read it.

Yet all this has done is sidestep your complaints about this specific article which you haven't been able to substantiate at all beyond it being in the Guardian.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, we have established its quality has declined, lost its best writers, and chase American viewers with online clickbait.

We also observed Guardian rattles a tin cup because it has struggled with huge losses over years, albeit recovering slightly recently, and that free sites rely on advertisers and clicks which declines their quality compared to subscriber.

This then morphed into a Spectator chat.

And I said what I said about the initial article - its Project Fear over Covid, as per usual, and that the claims dont even stack up as local hospital admissions regarding an international event like Cheltenham Festival is a bizarre metric.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Established in your own mind.
We have established that the Spectator is a right wing rag who employed liars and almost certainly still does.

No need to take the Guardians word for what happened, in the article it gives a link to the government report.
Read that and say it's scaremongering
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Response from NPEEEE <tumbleweed>

posted on 16/10/21

comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by NPEEEE (U22712)
posted 42 seconds ago
Also subscription growth is incentivised by offers, that doesnt change people choosing the subscriptions and to a high percentage, staying on board.

Subscription is the way forward for journalism - smaller audience but a paying one. Times, FT, Telegraph cottoned on, the Guardian refuse and have not just declined in quality but now rattle the church collection plate at the bottom of every article.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But it's free. You can of course subscribe in the same way as the others do, then no begging pieces. So you get a choice, unlike all the others.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hes you get a choice between publications that will stay in business and ones that will go bust chasing low common denominator bait
----------------------------------------------------------------------

So we have established that you don't like the Guardian because it reports things you don't want to hear, and because it provides its content to people for free instead of forcing people to pay to read it.

Yet all this has done is sidestep your complaints about this specific article which you haven't been able to substantiate at all beyond it being in the Guardian.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, we have established its quality has declined, lost its best writers, and chase American viewers with online clickbait.

We also observed Guardian rattles a tin cup because it has struggled with huge losses over years, albeit recovering slightly recently, and that free sites rely on advertisers and clicks which declines their quality compared to subscriber.

This then morphed into a Spectator chat.

And I said what I said about the initial article - its Project Fear over Covid, as per usual, and that the claims dont even stack up as local hospital admissions regarding an international event like Cheltenham Festival is a bizarre metric.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, you have claimed such things and they are either entirely subjective or you have been incapable of evidencing your claims (which the Guardian journalists are capable of).

You've had a bit of a nightmare here in reality.

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