The window to me strongly suggests that Conte is off at the end of the season. We brought in one permanent player, in an area that we were high on numbers but weak on quality, so Porro made sense long term whoever the manager is.
Danjuma is a loan, so short term for this season only. We all know Conte doesn’t rate Gil or Spence, but it’s interesting that both have gone on loan for the season and not left permanently, so that shows the club still want them here next year (even if Conte doesn’t). Again, the message is short term thinking that we’re getting through this season and then will re-plan.
So it’s pretty clear Conte hasn’t been backed. But why would Levy back him if there is an understanding within the club that he’ll be gone in the summer? To an extent it’s catch 22 – conte won’t commit until he’s backed, but Levy won’t back him until he commits. In my opinion, Levy has done the sensible thing here. The club is more important than the manager and if there is a chance he is leaving in the summer, it would be mad to make big signings for him now that a new manager may not want.
Personally, I don’t feel it’s worked with Conte. He hasn’t seemed to really bond with the club, he’s talked about difficult personal situations, the football hasn’t been good to watch, and the results have been inconsistent. I’m not saying that’s all his fault, but this seasons just hasn’t felt right. The Arsenal defeat was a huge low. It seems to make sense for all parties for him to move on.
As for Levy… I’m cautious to bring him up with all the strong opinions. I neither hate him or love him, I’m in the middle. It has to be pointed out though, that his plan was clear: The club needed silverware and success, and he got in the two managers that should have virtually guaranteed you that. Jose didn’t work for various reasons and I think we all know that in reality we got him a few years too late and he’s on the decline; and Conte as I said just hasn’t quite fitted. But there must be some credit to Levy for going down the routes that on paper made sense. Levy has also got the stadium, the financial sustainability, the facilities, and we’re amongst the CL clubs, and compared to how the club was 15 years ago, we’re so much stronger now than then. And whatever people say, he HAS spent a lot of money.
Of course the argument is that he’s missed opportunities to truly invest when it’s been needed, so we’ve missed the chance to capitilise and go to the next level. He didn’t do it when Poch needed it, and again he hasn’t with Conte (although I still think this is defendable in the context of Conte’s lack of commitment). And it is clear that loses deals and players by being so tight. He needs to learn and decide what the ambition really is for the club, and I get why people are frustrated with him.
This season… who the hell knows. I’d equally believe that we’ll finish 4th or that we’d finish 8th. We have no consistency. But who knows – still in the CL and FA Cup, maybe Conte goes out with a bang. Still a lot to play for, but this summer is massive. Problem is, it’s massive every year. I’d personally like a dynamic manager (yes, I’d take Poch) and a squad rebuild and I’d feel optimistic again. Anything less than that and it would start to feel like we’re accepting mediocrity.
Some thoughts
posted on 3/2/23
I would not ne surprised of anything with the hapless way ENIC and Levy operate, it could be that Conte stays or he could leave by mutual agreement. I would also not be surprised if Levy is in contact with Poch, and taking his opinion on players with a view to taking over in the summer.
Whatever happens , as always ENIC, Lewis & Levy OUT!
posted on 3/2/23
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 29 seconds ago
So much on here constantly around Conte will leave, we are playing cr*p, transfers are poor, this player or that player needs to be put down.
Don't know about others, but I am sick to death of the same people repeating the same negatives on here, almost daily.
So what if Conte leaves ? none of us know that will happen, and nobody will die if he does leave. There are plenty of good managers out there who can come in and do a job.
The here and now ( which some on here seem incapable of dealing with ) is we are 5th, and a very close distance from 4th, a position everyone was happy with at the end of last season.
We qualified for the last 16 of the CL, with a certain amount of ease, and have a 50/50 shout against Milan. Arsenal, who every man and his dog seems to think are wonderful, have not even been in this competition, not even close, for what, 5/6 years.
On the last transfer window, why are there still people out there who seriously think we can compete with the City's and Chelsea's of this world. I am definitely not a great lover of Levy, but money ( and a lot of it ) has been spent over the last couple of years. Is it all his fault that who we bought was underwhelming ?
Jeez, why can't people just see how this season plays out instead of churning out the same "this will happen" guesswork. We still have an interest in top 4, an ability to improve our European co efficient for future campaigns, and a more than average chance in he FA Cup, given how many so called big clubs have already gone out.
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Well said Steve. I think most are now getting fed up with the ultra negative supporters, who don't have a good word to say about anything to do with the club. Be it owners, managers or players.
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Pot kettle black Sandy.
You’re only positive when it suits you.
Only a few weeks back you were calling for Kane to not kick a ball the rest of the season. So don’t think you’re in a position to question anyone.
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I am always reasonably positive. I have my moans like any other supporter. But some take it to a ridiculously high level. In general I support Levy, Conte and the players.
Re Kane, if I was going to leave I didn't see the point in playing him. A perfectly reasonable position to take. That is not moaning. As it now seems he is staying, then I am fine with him playing.
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Glad you came to your senses Sandy.
Whilst maybe not for you, for many of us he is the best player we have seen wearing the jersey.
He will takes every record going before retiring. What makes it even sweeter is he came through the Spurs academy
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Belfast, for what it is worth I have always been a huge Harry Kane fan. Kane will beat Greaves Spurs record. But Jimmy is still the best I have ever seen.
posted on 3/2/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 29 seconds ago
So much on here constantly around Conte will leave, we are playing cr*p, transfers are poor, this player or that player needs to be put down.
Don't know about others, but I am sick to death of the same people repeating the same negatives on here, almost daily.
So what if Conte leaves ? none of us know that will happen, and nobody will die if he does leave. There are plenty of good managers out there who can come in and do a job.
The here and now ( which some on here seem incapable of dealing with ) is we are 5th, and a very close distance from 4th, a position everyone was happy with at the end of last season.
We qualified for the last 16 of the CL, with a certain amount of ease, and have a 50/50 shout against Milan. Arsenal, who every man and his dog seems to think are wonderful, have not even been in this competition, not even close, for what, 5/6 years.
On the last transfer window, why are there still people out there who seriously think we can compete with the City's and Chelsea's of this world. I am definitely not a great lover of Levy, but money ( and a lot of it ) has been spent over the last couple of years. Is it all his fault that who we bought was underwhelming ?
Jeez, why can't people just see how this season plays out instead of churning out the same "this will happen" guesswork. We still have an interest in top 4, an ability to improve our European co efficient for future campaigns, and a more than average chance in he FA Cup, given how many so called big clubs have already gone out.
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Well said Steve. I think most are now getting fed up with the ultra negative supporters, who don't have a good word to say about anything to do with the club. Be it owners, managers or players.
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Pot kettle black Sandy.
You’re only positive when it suits you.
Only a few weeks back you were calling for Kane to not kick a ball the rest of the season. So don’t think you’re in a position to question anyone.
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I am always reasonably positive. I have my moans like any other supporter. But some take it to a ridiculously high level. In general I support Levy, Conte and the players.
Re Kane, if I was going to leave I didn't see the point in playing him. A perfectly reasonable position to take. That is not moaning. As it now seems he is staying, then I am fine with him playing.
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Glad you came to your senses Sandy.
Whilst maybe not for you, for many of us he is the best player we have seen wearing the jersey.
He will takes every record going before retiring. What makes it even sweeter is he came through the Spurs academy
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Belfast, for what it is worth I have always been a huge Harry Kane fan. Kane will beat Greaves Spurs record. But Jimmy is still the best I have ever seen.
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Living legend
posted on 3/2/23
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
So much on here constantly around Conte will leave, we are playing cr*p, transfers are poor, this player or that player needs to be put down.
Don't know about others, but I am sick to death of the same people repeating the same negatives on here, almost daily.
So what if Conte leaves ? none of us know that will happen, and nobody will die if he does leave. There are plenty of good managers out there who can come in and do a job.
The here and now ( which some on here seem incapable of dealing with ) is we are 5th, and a very close distance from 4th, a position everyone was happy with at the end of last season.
We qualified for the last 16 of the CL, with a certain amount of ease, and have a 50/50 shout against Milan. Arsenal, who every man and his dog seems to think are wonderful, have not even been in this competition, not even close, for what, 5/6 years.
On the last transfer window, why are there still people out there who seriously think we can compete with the City's and Chelsea's of this world. I am definitely not a great lover of Levy, but money ( and a lot of it ) has been spent over the last couple of years. Is it all his fault that who we bought was underwhelming ?
Jeez, why can't people just see how this season plays out instead of churning out the same "this will happen" guesswork. We still have an interest in top 4, an ability to improve our European co efficient for future campaigns, and a more than average chance in he FA Cup, given how many so called big clubs have already gone out.
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Steve……..spot on👍
posted on 3/2/23
comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by SteveF (U22027)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
So much on here constantly around Conte will leave, we are playing cr*p, transfers are poor, this player or that player needs to be put down.
Don't know about others, but I am sick to death of the same people repeating the same negatives on here, almost daily.
So what if Conte leaves ? none of us know that will happen, and nobody will die if he does leave. There are plenty of good managers out there who can come in and do a job.
The here and now ( which some on here seem incapable of dealing with ) is we are 5th, and a very close distance from 4th, a position everyone was happy with at the end of last season.
We qualified for the last 16 of the CL, with a certain amount of ease, and have a 50/50 shout against Milan. Arsenal, who every man and his dog seems to think are wonderful, have not even been in this competition, not even close, for what, 5/6 years.
On the last transfer window, why are there still people out there who seriously think we can compete with the City's and Chelsea's of this world. I am definitely not a great lover of Levy, but money ( and a lot of it ) has been spent over the last couple of years. Is it all his fault that who we bought was underwhelming ?
Jeez, why can't people just see how this season plays out instead of churning out the same "this will happen" guesswork. We still have an interest in top 4, an ability to improve our European co efficient for future campaigns, and a more than average chance in he FA Cup, given how many so called big clubs have already gone out.
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Steve whilst I agree with the sentiment of your point. Don’t forget this is a football forum for fans to discuss all matters associated with the club.
Few points.
Until the manager’s future is sorted or at least known, fans will continue to discuss it. The manager sets the tone for how the team actually performs or plays. Which is why we all watch and follow. He controls all aspects of the team. Selects the players, tactics and controls the general direction of the club.
The here and now is good you’re right. We have done pretty well this season albeit not aesthetically pleasing at times.
The CL will be great and I believe AC is the perfect tie for us. Conte will know their team inside out and we have a good chance of progressing. I personally can’t wait.
On the last transfer window. No one is expecting us to match City and Chelsea. Many are simply saying that due to the uncertainty of manager, this was reflected in not much activity. Which is true, as we made loans with a view to purchase later. This in my opinion is the right approach. It is a market currently saturated with over valued players.
People are just worried as they love the club. Fans just want some stability for a change. Which ultimately stems from the top. Levy sets the scene and I feel most fans would be more happy if he was transparent about what the real aspirations of ENIC are, which is to continue to qualify for the CL and grow the brand of Tottenham Hotspurs. Instead they apply this smokescreen of wanting the fans to think their aim is trophies when we all know the club simply isn’t set currently as such. Conte has said as much.
This is a game of opinions. And it would be a boring world if we all thought the same.
Oh and COYS, I have £20 on a Spurs and Everton double. Which will bring in £700 🤞🏼
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I wish people would just temper their comments
We could quite literally achieve top 4, UCL SF and win the FA Cup.
Chelsea and Liverpool fans aint giving their team/owners as much grief as some of our fans pour out over and over again on here.
For me the time to judge will be the summer, as we see what we have achieved, whether we have progress....and then again at the start of next season as we see what transfers we have got in and whether the manager has a squad to challenge. I really do think that a squad to challenge is the minimum requirement for next season, and see where it takes us.
posted on 3/2/23
I think Levy will feel that he spent a lot in the summer, so not spending much this last window doesn't necessarily suggest Levy isn't backing Conte because he'll be off in the summer. We are talking about Levy here after all.
I'm sure things will be reviewed at the end of the season when we see how we do. If we were to finish top 4 again Levy will probably be keen to keep Conte at the club and give assurances that he'll be backed. That could even be the arrangement. It's whether Conte will feel like continuing.
posted on 3/2/23
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I would not ne surprised of anything with the hapless way ENIC and Levy operate, it could be that Conte stays or he could leave by mutual agreement. I would also not be surprised if Levy is in contact with Poch, and taking his opinion on players with a view to taking over in the summer.
Whatever happens , as always ENIC, Lewis & Levy OUT!
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Billy, absolutely no way Levy is in touch with Poch. That's fantasy on your part mate.
posted on 3/2/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I would not ne surprised of anything with the hapless way ENIC and Levy operate, it could be that Conte stays or he could leave by mutual agreement. I would also not be surprised if Levy is in contact with Poch, and taking his opinion on players with a view to taking over in the summer.
Whatever happens , as always ENIC, Lewis & Levy OUT!
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Billy, absolutely no way Levy is in touch with Poch. That's fantasy on your part mate.
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The club would already be sounding out new managers since they know Conte might leave at the end of the season
posted on 3/2/23
ENIC and their sheep bleating on about how much they have spent on transfers over the last few years is pure deflection tactics. What about the years prior to that when Spurs had an average net transfer spend of about £20m per season and even went a whole summer signing nobody. ENIC are still playing catch up in that regard.
There is also no surprises that they fail to mention how our wage bill as a percentage of turnover is the lowest in the PL, which is a good indication that they do not sign the real top players, but instead go for players who are a level below, purely because they can pay them less.
The issue is, ENIC could spend more if they chose to do so, but they choose not to. And the existing recruitment has not been good enough, with a catalogue of expensive mistakes and money wasted on ordinary players who we can not shift.
Levy does not realize that if you buy cheap, you by twice.
posted on 3/2/23
Poch trains his players 7 days a week…
No way would they be looking forward to that… if he was to return!!