He doesn't do defence.
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Undefeated for a whole Premier League season. Next
Id love keown he has the balls to disagree with wenger and point stuff out he isnt a yes man like pat rice
Also look at 2006
...............lehman...................
eboue.toure.senderos.flamini
you wouldnt believe that team could set the cl record for clean sheets just shows if you have a great coach anything is possible keown would turn our defense around
comment by Bunny-the-snake-eater - We're taking Arshavin to Isengard (U1088)
posted 1 minute ago
He doesn't do defence.
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Undefeated for a whole Premier League season. Next
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Yeah and that was only 8 years ago, football has changed since then but Wenger hasn't. This is our worst defensive record since 83/84 but go ahead and bury your head in the sand.
i remember mourinho saying that with arsenal you know you can always score against cant keep clean sheets or shut games down. Defensive coach needed asap Nesta from AC Milan is retiring at the end of season maybe see if he's interested in helping out our defence.
bunny
you cannot say that purely down to the fact that our forard line was scoring for fun we didnt win games without conceding put it that way it was the score more than you, also the league is different now
We'll Miss You Cesc, I agree but you can't just say Arsene can't do defence. Ridiculous thing to say.
Our first-choice defence is quality. And with Mertesacker ahead of Vermaelen, it will be even better. And Wenger signed/promoted all of them, with Koscielny and Sagna going from little known French players to some of the best defenders in the league. The main problems are injuries, which are made even more of a problem by lack of depth (Wenger could be blamed for this), and also the midfielders lack of a defensive work ethic. At the end of the day, players the world over are expected and should expect themselves to have a good work ethic. It shouldn't be down to Wenger to give them that.
Yes but is it not true that tackling is not allowed in training? Not exactly simulating a normal match.
There is also something fundamentally wrong with the Arsenal medical team. Every team gets injuries, but your medical team just seems inept.
we dont do defensive training in sessions former players have come out & said, i.e cesc, campbell & gallas. Basically the training sessions consist of exercise on receiving possession & what to do with i.e plenty of triangle passing. We also dont do any fitness sessions either cesc said the difference in training between us & barca is the time spent getting players fit cardio wise to be able chase 90 min games. Whilst we have trouble pressing the opposition for 10 minute periods.
was scoring for fun we didnt win games without conceding put it that way it was the score more than you
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That's the point of every football match. We only conceded yesterday because Wenger tried to slow the game down and kill it off and Song did a ridiculous pass. That's not Wenger's fault, Song has gotten us quite a few points this season with RVP, and Song went off on his own.
Yes but is it not true that tackling is not allowed in training?
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I think light tackles are allowed but it's to avoid injury
Andrew the Saint
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I think we have a problem with our doctor and his ability to give a diagnosis, hence why injuries always turn out worse and longer-term than they first seem (Rosicky, Vermaelen last year, Wilshere this year), and we also seem to have ridiculous amounts of setbacks due to misjudgements of injuries. Also teams do like to 'rough us up' a bit, which could be a contributing factor.
We also dont do any fitness sessions either cesc said the difference in training between us & barca is the time spent getting players fit cardio wise to be able chase 90 min games.
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so from this bit of trivia you deduct that we don't do any fitness? you're a muppet.
I think we always risk getting them back quickly which results in more injuries. It always is they end up in training before a set back. We need to be more patient with them
Basically the training sessions consist of exercise on receiving possession & what to do with i.e plenty of triangle passing. We also dont do any fitness sessions either cesc said the difference in training between us & barca is the time spent getting players fit cardio wise to be able chase 90 min games.
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I'm quite amazed that you know so much about Arsenals training. It would be a lot better if you werent sitting behind a keyboard typing out lies, pretending that you are some kind of footballing expert.
anyone who believes that passing in triangles for 4+ hours a day at least 5 days a week won't improve or doesn't consist of improving your fitness has a problem.
^^^ we dont do 4hrs of training a day a 1 hr tops, in spain you can have extended training with youngsters whilst in england its different.
I'm quite amazed that you know so much about Arsenals training. It would be a lot better if you werent sitting behind a keyboard typing out lies, pretending that you are some kind of footballing expert.
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i never said i was a expert but when ex players have said about the club its makes you think. Even liverpools ex club doctor has told me that we aint as fit as we should be.
we dont do 4hrs of training a day a 1 hr tops
How do you know this?
Even liverpools ex club doctor has told me that we aint as fit as we should be
Did he tell you personaly?
Some deficiencies in defence can certainly be blamed on injuries but only some. Some of the players mentioned are really good footballers indeed,but,but, they need to be coached in the right way
The following defence
.. . .Lehman...................
Eboue.Toure.Senderos Flamini
Served us well during our European campaign season 2005/2006. Achieving the most clean sheets before and since the ECL was formed.
Eboue was clown, Toure excellent, Senderos ?,well Senderos was Senderos: The way he was booed by the Emirates subsequently was pretty harsh. Flamini only came into his own in that his last season with us.
So on paper not that impressive, right. But they had great coaching from a certain Martin Keown.
I think that say's it all really. So, it's coaching,coaching and more coaching that's needed. Preferably by an expert
Did he tell you personaly?
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yes he is a friend of my father the two are very good friends as both have links to the Port Power Football Club
Yeah and that was only 8 years ago, football has changed since then but Wenger hasn't.
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Jesus christ you talk such crap.
The reason our defensive record has become poor is because Wenger -has- changed his philosophy. He's been trying to build a team that retains the ball with a high defensive line. This is completely different to the teams he build 8 years ago.
The problem is it almost, but hasn't worked, and since we lost 2 of our main ball retainers, cesc and samir, our defensive record has rightly suffered.
The game did move on with rich owners buying the title, if you think Arsenal can keep up with that any more than they have done then you're a complete idiot. Clowns like you just bury your heads in the sand and think that because he built winning teams there's an automatic expectation that good times will continue to roll at the club.
Some deficiencies in defence can certainly be blamed on injuries but only some. Some of the players mentioned are really good footballers indeed,but,but, they need to be coached in the right way
The following defence
.. . .Lehman...................
Eboue.Toure.Senderos Flamini
Served us well during our European campaign season 2005/2006. Achieving the most clean sheets before and since the ECL was formed.
Eboue was clown, Toure excellent, Senderos ?,well Senderos was Senderos: The way he was booed by the Emirates subsequently was pretty harsh. Flamini only came into his own in that his last season with us.
So on paper not that impressive, right. But they had great coaching from a certain Martin Keown.
I think that say's it all really. So, it's coaching,coaching and more coaching that's needed. Preferably by an expert Cheers COYG
Wenger has changed to a 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1 formation but he still hasn't mastered the pressing game which is the most essential element of that formation.
Here are some stats to prove how we've been getting progressively worse year by year:
Man City – 27
Man Utd – 33
Liverpool – 38
Everton – 39
Spurs – 40
Chelsea – 41
Sunderland – 43
Newcastle – 46
West Brom – 47
Arsenal – 47
2007/8 – 31 goals
2008/9 – 37 goals
2009/10 – 41 goals
2010/11 – 43 goals
2011/12 – 47 goals (one more game to go)
Time to take your head out of your ass, Don Vito.
Yes he hasn't mastered the pressing game, his flaw. Glad you went back on your original statement though and pointed out that he has changed in the last 8 years, stupidest statement I've ever read, it makes me wonder whether you were even around 8 years ago.
I'm not sure what you're trying to show me with your stats, since I already pointed out it hasn't worked. I disagreed that he hasn't changed, now you're trying to make a different point altogether because you've been shown up as an idiot
Time to take your head out of your ass kiddo.
Football has changed in the sense that managers are tactically much more aware now and Wenger is made to look like a dinosaur too often when he comes up against tactically astute managers.
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posted on 6/5/12
He doesn't do defence.
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Undefeated for a whole Premier League season. Next
posted on 6/5/12
Id love keown he has the balls to disagree with wenger and point stuff out he isnt a yes man like pat rice
Also look at 2006
...............lehman...................
eboue.toure.senderos.flamini
you wouldnt believe that team could set the cl record for clean sheets just shows if you have a great coach anything is possible keown would turn our defense around
posted on 6/5/12
comment by Bunny-the-snake-eater - We're taking Arshavin to Isengard (U1088)
posted 1 minute ago
He doesn't do defence.
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Undefeated for a whole Premier League season. Next
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posted on 6/5/12
Yeah and that was only 8 years ago, football has changed since then but Wenger hasn't. This is our worst defensive record since 83/84 but go ahead and bury your head in the sand.
posted on 6/5/12
i remember mourinho saying that with arsenal you know you can always score against cant keep clean sheets or shut games down. Defensive coach needed asap Nesta from AC Milan is retiring at the end of season maybe see if he's interested in helping out our defence.
posted on 6/5/12
bunny
you cannot say that purely down to the fact that our forard line was scoring for fun we didnt win games without conceding put it that way it was the score more than you, also the league is different now
posted on 6/5/12
We'll Miss You Cesc, I agree but you can't just say Arsene can't do defence. Ridiculous thing to say.
posted on 6/5/12
Our first-choice defence is quality. And with Mertesacker ahead of Vermaelen, it will be even better. And Wenger signed/promoted all of them, with Koscielny and Sagna going from little known French players to some of the best defenders in the league. The main problems are injuries, which are made even more of a problem by lack of depth (Wenger could be blamed for this), and also the midfielders lack of a defensive work ethic. At the end of the day, players the world over are expected and should expect themselves to have a good work ethic. It shouldn't be down to Wenger to give them that.
posted on 6/5/12
Yes but is it not true that tackling is not allowed in training? Not exactly simulating a normal match.
There is also something fundamentally wrong with the Arsenal medical team. Every team gets injuries, but your medical team just seems inept.
posted on 6/5/12
we dont do defensive training in sessions former players have come out & said, i.e cesc, campbell & gallas. Basically the training sessions consist of exercise on receiving possession & what to do with i.e plenty of triangle passing. We also dont do any fitness sessions either cesc said the difference in training between us & barca is the time spent getting players fit cardio wise to be able chase 90 min games. Whilst we have trouble pressing the opposition for 10 minute periods.
posted on 6/5/12
was scoring for fun we didnt win games without conceding put it that way it was the score more than you
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That's the point of every football match. We only conceded yesterday because Wenger tried to slow the game down and kill it off and Song did a ridiculous pass. That's not Wenger's fault, Song has gotten us quite a few points this season with RVP, and Song went off on his own.
Yes but is it not true that tackling is not allowed in training?
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I think light tackles are allowed but it's to avoid injury
posted on 6/5/12
Andrew the Saint
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I think we have a problem with our doctor and his ability to give a diagnosis, hence why injuries always turn out worse and longer-term than they first seem (Rosicky, Vermaelen last year, Wilshere this year), and we also seem to have ridiculous amounts of setbacks due to misjudgements of injuries. Also teams do like to 'rough us up' a bit, which could be a contributing factor.
posted on 6/5/12
We also dont do any fitness sessions either cesc said the difference in training between us & barca is the time spent getting players fit cardio wise to be able chase 90 min games.
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so from this bit of trivia you deduct that we don't do any fitness? you're a muppet.
posted on 6/5/12
I think we always risk getting them back quickly which results in more injuries. It always is they end up in training before a set back. We need to be more patient with them
posted on 6/5/12
Basically the training sessions consist of exercise on receiving possession & what to do with i.e plenty of triangle passing. We also dont do any fitness sessions either cesc said the difference in training between us & barca is the time spent getting players fit cardio wise to be able chase 90 min games.
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I'm quite amazed that you know so much about Arsenals training. It would be a lot better if you werent sitting behind a keyboard typing out lies, pretending that you are some kind of footballing expert.
posted on 6/5/12
anyone who believes that passing in triangles for 4+ hours a day at least 5 days a week won't improve or doesn't consist of improving your fitness has a problem.
posted on 6/5/12
^^^ we dont do 4hrs of training a day a 1 hr tops, in spain you can have extended training with youngsters whilst in england its different.
I'm quite amazed that you know so much about Arsenals training. It would be a lot better if you werent sitting behind a keyboard typing out lies, pretending that you are some kind of footballing expert.
___
i never said i was a expert but when ex players have said about the club its makes you think. Even liverpools ex club doctor has told me that we aint as fit as we should be.
posted on 6/5/12
we dont do 4hrs of training a day a 1 hr tops
How do you know this?
Even liverpools ex club doctor has told me that we aint as fit as we should be
Did he tell you personaly?
posted on 6/5/12
Some deficiencies in defence can certainly be blamed on injuries but only some. Some of the players mentioned are really good footballers indeed,but,but, they need to be coached in the right way
The following defence
.. . .Lehman...................
Eboue.Toure.Senderos Flamini
Served us well during our European campaign season 2005/2006. Achieving the most clean sheets before and since the ECL was formed.
Eboue was clown, Toure excellent, Senderos ?,well Senderos was Senderos: The way he was booed by the Emirates subsequently was pretty harsh. Flamini only came into his own in that his last season with us.
So on paper not that impressive, right. But they had great coaching from a certain Martin Keown.
I think that say's it all really. So, it's coaching,coaching and more coaching that's needed. Preferably by an expert
posted on 6/5/12
Did he tell you personaly?
_____
yes he is a friend of my father the two are very good friends as both have links to the Port Power Football Club
posted on 6/5/12
Yeah and that was only 8 years ago, football has changed since then but Wenger hasn't.
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Jesus christ you talk such crap.
The reason our defensive record has become poor is because Wenger -has- changed his philosophy. He's been trying to build a team that retains the ball with a high defensive line. This is completely different to the teams he build 8 years ago.
The problem is it almost, but hasn't worked, and since we lost 2 of our main ball retainers, cesc and samir, our defensive record has rightly suffered.
The game did move on with rich owners buying the title, if you think Arsenal can keep up with that any more than they have done then you're a complete idiot. Clowns like you just bury your heads in the sand and think that because he built winning teams there's an automatic expectation that good times will continue to roll at the club.
posted on 6/5/12
Some deficiencies in defence can certainly be blamed on injuries but only some. Some of the players mentioned are really good footballers indeed,but,but, they need to be coached in the right way
The following defence
.. . .Lehman...................
Eboue.Toure.Senderos Flamini
Served us well during our European campaign season 2005/2006. Achieving the most clean sheets before and since the ECL was formed.
Eboue was clown, Toure excellent, Senderos ?,well Senderos was Senderos: The way he was booed by the Emirates subsequently was pretty harsh. Flamini only came into his own in that his last season with us.
So on paper not that impressive, right. But they had great coaching from a certain Martin Keown.
I think that say's it all really. So, it's coaching,coaching and more coaching that's needed. Preferably by an expert Cheers COYG
posted on 6/5/12
Wenger has changed to a 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1 formation but he still hasn't mastered the pressing game which is the most essential element of that formation.
Here are some stats to prove how we've been getting progressively worse year by year:
Man City – 27
Man Utd – 33
Liverpool – 38
Everton – 39
Spurs – 40
Chelsea – 41
Sunderland – 43
Newcastle – 46
West Brom – 47
Arsenal – 47
2007/8 – 31 goals
2008/9 – 37 goals
2009/10 – 41 goals
2010/11 – 43 goals
2011/12 – 47 goals (one more game to go)
Time to take your head out of your ass, Don Vito.
posted on 6/5/12
Yes he hasn't mastered the pressing game, his flaw. Glad you went back on your original statement though and pointed out that he has changed in the last 8 years, stupidest statement I've ever read, it makes me wonder whether you were even around 8 years ago.
I'm not sure what you're trying to show me with your stats, since I already pointed out it hasn't worked. I disagreed that he hasn't changed, now you're trying to make a different point altogether because you've been shown up as an idiot
Time to take your head out of your ass kiddo.
posted on 6/5/12
Football has changed in the sense that managers are tactically much more aware now and Wenger is made to look like a dinosaur too often when he comes up against tactically astute managers.
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