thanks
well because i joined this one quite a while ago before i came to v2 and the tennis section here was dead as was most of the site but it was great for football unlike v2.
v2 was great for rugby, tennis, cricket and decent for cycling and athletics .
I thought that may have been the case.
comment by Tenez (U6808)
posted 20 minutes ago
This court simply sort the players with the better shots. It's as simple as that.
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Blah blah blah we've heard it all before Tenez.
Whenever Federer does better in the top 2 you go on and on about how great the tournament is and how it rewards people who are better at tennis, while when Federer gets beaten you go on about how bad and totally corrupt the tournament is, and how the tournament is trying to ensure that people who are rubbish at tennis win, rather than people who are good.
I mean bet you have 2 word documents, Word Document A, this will be for so saying how great the tournament is and how it promotes good players, and Word Document B saying how the tournament promotes rubbish players. Whenever Federer does better than Djokovic and nadal you use Word Document A, when Fed gets beaten you use B.
And let's remember, before you get too sumg, that Federer was on the verge of being beaten here in R1, in fact to quote you Federer was 'totally outplayed.' If he had lost in R1 I'm sure you would have been the first person to start criticising blue clay and how it doesn't promote good players to win. And also according to your recent article Nadal and Djokovic went out because they 'tanked' so they could have gone even further in the tournament.
As for the clay itself well, the surface is fast, of course it is. Due to the altitude the court will always be fast. If I am right Nadal and Djokovic have won the event in the last 2 years, when the court was still fast. What is different with this court though is that it is slippery. This is not some kind of variation, it is a mistake. A mistake that means players can slip more easily, and thus get hurt. Tiriac himself has apologised for this, it was a mistake made when making the court.
I'm fine with blue clay, but my concern is for the health of the players, today in a key point in the TB between Del Pot and berdych Del Potro slipped. By the time he could regain his balance Berdych had put the ball away. If Del Potro won that point the outcome of the match could have been very difficult.
But don't worry Tenez, don't let facts or logic get in the way of your agenda, just remember if Federer wins copy and paste word document A, if he loses earlier then copy and paste document B. Simple.
I wonder how many Fed's matches Mirka's eyes have seen?
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Not many more than i have
does this surface that players have been complaining about mean that they are unwilling to go full stretch for shots they normally would do but feel unsafe because of the blue clay?
I mean there have been no injuries, if so is that the case why?
Also there were two quite serious injuries at MC but nobody complained too much about that court and there have been none here. hmmmm.
Leeds,
the main problem of this surface, game wise, that it disables defending.
And let's remember, before you get too sumg, that Federer was on the verge of being beaten here in R1, in fact to quote you Federer was 'totally outplayed.'
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Exactly! And you won't hear me say that many times in the last 10 years. Rao is an excellent shot maker. At least his serve is certainly a good one.
So I am very coherent all the way..
does this surface that players have been complaining about mean that they are unwilling to go full stretch for shots they normally would do but feel unsafe because of the blue clay?
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Not quite. They are willing but because it is slippery they cannot "twist and turn" at will. their mind and body want to go one way but they can't before the sliding stops.
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I mean there have been no injuries, if so is that the case why?
Also there were two quite serious injuries at MC but nobody complained too much about that court and there have been none here. hmmmm.
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Exactly! and you will not have injuries on this surface in fact. It is too slippery and at worse they can fall but that won't really harm unless they fall badly on the wrist.
thanks nitb, but in terms of my questions is that the case? are they not going full out for fear of injury when if they did they actually may not?
A bit of both. Because it's slippery, you can't stop and start, and because you can't stop and start you can't sprint after a ball.
Even Tiriac admitted that they pressed theuncerlayer too hard so the clay couldn't blend with the base.
On normal clay, sliding kind of breaks/stops in a sliding motion, on this blue stuff, the feet just keeps sliding without ever stopping kind of thing.
Novak does that a lot on any other surface which is why it's so hard to put a ball past him.
Here, he couldn't do it, so he was completely scappered.
Tenez: Exactly! and you will not have injuries on this surface in fact. It is too slippery and at worse they can fall...
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That's precisely how the injuries happen.
I believe this week the players have been so wary of it that they have made a special effort, even then Djokovic slipped many times, and Del Potro slipped at a crucial moment in this tiebreak.
Leeds summed it up perfectly earlier 'that they are unwilling to go full stretch for shots they normally would do but feel unsafe because of the blue clay.'
Tsip feedback on Federer: "The main thing is that he managed to adjust to the wind really, really well. I think that apart from being the best player, that he is probably the best the player in the world when it comes to adjusting to any situation on the court. "
@tenez
Tsip feedback on Federer:..
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They don't mean anything to amri. The only player whose words he can understand and believe is from Nadal and his camp. He will believe those no matter what utter nonsense it is and start arguing about it. He will belive it to be absolutely true and if you say anything different, he will have one reply: "what is the proof?". Did he need any proof to believe it? No. So how does he ask for a proof for anything against it?
Results of the semi-finals:
1. (6) T Berdych defeats (10) J Del Potro 76(5) 76(6)
Points:
rotla: +6
Tenez: -6
nitb: +6
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2.
(3) R Federer defeats (7) J Tipsarevic 62 63
Points:
rotla: +3
Tenez: +3
nitb: +3
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Total points in the day:
rotla: +9
Tenez: -3
nitb: +9
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winner of the Semi. Finals: ROTLA, nitb
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Total no of correct predictions in S. F:
rotla: 2/2
Tenez: 1/2
nitb: 2/2
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Total correct predictions for the tournament:
rotla: 29/38
nitb: 25/38
Tenez: 29/38
amriatia: 7/10
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Total points in the tournament:
rotla: +188
nitb: +104
Tenez : +202
amritia: +62
@rotla - Yes you right. Amri is a fan and fans don't proceed with logic when it comes to their idol. He thinks I am a fan like him but of Federer. He probably doesn't know that I would pay to watch someone with a better technique and grace than Federer....but thus far am just extremely happy with Federer's work. Woudl that sublime tennis been played by Vincent Spaeda or Nadal I would support those. ...And I think you are like that too. Unlike Amri tennis comes first and those players who respect the game I the ones we respect.
Well done on your Berdych guess. I really thought Delpo woudl win and am annoyed he could not save the only 2 BPs he faced.
Tenez:
Unlike Amri tennis comes first ....
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Good to see you guys talking about me when I'm not here
Why haven't you lost you're superiority complex? You see everything in black and white. You have decided Federer represents tennis and Nadal represents non-tennis. Thus you can claim that all fans of Federer 'put tennis first,' which happens to be highly convenient for you as you are a Federer fan yourself.
@amri
Good to see you guys talking about me when I'm not here
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Don't talk stupid amri. Or try not to. This is an internet forum. I can't know whether you are online or not. Comments stay on the page and its for reading anytime you wish.
No body is afraid of you that we need to talk in your absence else amritia3ee "the emperor of ja606" will have us beheaded.
If you were not here, its your freaking problem.
@
Thus you can claim that all fans of Federer 'put tennis first,' which happens to be highly convenient for you as you are a Federer fan yourself.
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As usual making things up. Show me a quote that I or Tenez have claimed here or on v2 that "all fans of Federer put tennis first". You assume all people act and think like yourself. I don't blame you, its your nature which I'm aware of. Its easy to read you.
I have said "Nadal fans are not fans of tennis. They are only Nadal fans" and I stick to it. I gave reason why I say so, if want to read those go to v2 and see. IIRC veejay also said something like that on one thread and he too gave reasons. Read those and try to think.
Yes its farcical.
One group of tennis fans can't just make a rule that the rest have to follow.
I mean a group of Djokovic fans could make a decision that Djokovic fans are 'fans of tennis', and Federer fans are not fans of tennis.
We don't have to follow that blindly.
I think you are finding it very difficult to understand what I said. Its not about making a decisions. I said I gave reasons for it. Do you understand what is the mean of reasons?
If someone wants to say Fed fans are not fans of tennis, go ahead, lets see what reasons they have to back this up. I'll challenge those if I can.
@
We don't have to follow that blindly.
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Is that so?? Really amri?? You think you are smart not to follow anything blindly and you use your reasoning? . Did you forget about this when any tripe comes out of Nadal camp and you blindly believe it?
I don't blindly believe anything, Nadal's camp are just generally honest people.
Do you have a problem with that
I don't blindly believe anything, Nadal's camp are just generally honest people.
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Its fine amri. I have no problems with anything.
Amrit you are hilarious! They're honest!?
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posted on 12/5/12
thanks
well because i joined this one quite a while ago before i came to v2 and the tennis section here was dead as was most of the site but it was great for football unlike v2.
v2 was great for rugby, tennis, cricket and decent for cycling and athletics .
posted on 12/5/12
federer!!!!!
posted on 12/5/12
I thought that may have been the case.
posted on 12/5/12
comment by Tenez (U6808)
posted 20 minutes ago
This court simply sort the players with the better shots. It's as simple as that.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Blah blah blah we've heard it all before Tenez.
Whenever Federer does better in the top 2 you go on and on about how great the tournament is and how it rewards people who are better at tennis, while when Federer gets beaten you go on about how bad and totally corrupt the tournament is, and how the tournament is trying to ensure that people who are rubbish at tennis win, rather than people who are good.
I mean bet you have 2 word documents, Word Document A, this will be for so saying how great the tournament is and how it promotes good players, and Word Document B saying how the tournament promotes rubbish players. Whenever Federer does better than Djokovic and nadal you use Word Document A, when Fed gets beaten you use B.
And let's remember, before you get too sumg, that Federer was on the verge of being beaten here in R1, in fact to quote you Federer was 'totally outplayed.' If he had lost in R1 I'm sure you would have been the first person to start criticising blue clay and how it doesn't promote good players to win. And also according to your recent article Nadal and Djokovic went out because they 'tanked' so they could have gone even further in the tournament.
As for the clay itself well, the surface is fast, of course it is. Due to the altitude the court will always be fast. If I am right Nadal and Djokovic have won the event in the last 2 years, when the court was still fast. What is different with this court though is that it is slippery. This is not some kind of variation, it is a mistake. A mistake that means players can slip more easily, and thus get hurt. Tiriac himself has apologised for this, it was a mistake made when making the court.
I'm fine with blue clay, but my concern is for the health of the players, today in a key point in the TB between Del Pot and berdych Del Potro slipped. By the time he could regain his balance Berdych had put the ball away. If Del Potro won that point the outcome of the match could have been very difficult.
But don't worry Tenez, don't let facts or logic get in the way of your agenda, just remember if Federer wins copy and paste word document A, if he loses earlier then copy and paste document B. Simple.
posted on 12/5/12
I wonder how many Fed's matches Mirka's eyes have seen?
===================================
Not many more than i have
posted on 12/5/12
does this surface that players have been complaining about mean that they are unwilling to go full stretch for shots they normally would do but feel unsafe because of the blue clay?
I mean there have been no injuries, if so is that the case why?
Also there were two quite serious injuries at MC but nobody complained too much about that court and there have been none here. hmmmm.
posted on 12/5/12
Leeds,
the main problem of this surface, game wise, that it disables defending.
posted on 12/5/12
And let's remember, before you get too sumg, that Federer was on the verge of being beaten here in R1, in fact to quote you Federer was 'totally outplayed.'
--------------------------------
Exactly! And you won't hear me say that many times in the last 10 years. Rao is an excellent shot maker. At least his serve is certainly a good one.
So I am very coherent all the way..
posted on 12/5/12
does this surface that players have been complaining about mean that they are unwilling to go full stretch for shots they normally would do but feel unsafe because of the blue clay?
=============================
Not quite. They are willing but because it is slippery they cannot "twist and turn" at will. their mind and body want to go one way but they can't before the sliding stops.
----------------------------------------------------------
I mean there have been no injuries, if so is that the case why?
Also there were two quite serious injuries at MC but nobody complained too much about that court and there have been none here. hmmmm.
============================
Exactly! and you will not have injuries on this surface in fact. It is too slippery and at worse they can fall but that won't really harm unless they fall badly on the wrist.
posted on 12/5/12
thanks nitb, but in terms of my questions is that the case? are they not going full out for fear of injury when if they did they actually may not?
posted on 12/5/12
A bit of both. Because it's slippery, you can't stop and start, and because you can't stop and start you can't sprint after a ball.
Even Tiriac admitted that they pressed theuncerlayer too hard so the clay couldn't blend with the base.
On normal clay, sliding kind of breaks/stops in a sliding motion, on this blue stuff, the feet just keeps sliding without ever stopping kind of thing.
Novak does that a lot on any other surface which is why it's so hard to put a ball past him.
Here, he couldn't do it, so he was completely scappered.
posted on 12/5/12
Tenez: Exactly! and you will not have injuries on this surface in fact. It is too slippery and at worse they can fall...
-----------------------------------------------
That's precisely how the injuries happen.
I believe this week the players have been so wary of it that they have made a special effort, even then Djokovic slipped many times, and Del Potro slipped at a crucial moment in this tiebreak.
Leeds summed it up perfectly earlier 'that they are unwilling to go full stretch for shots they normally would do but feel unsafe because of the blue clay.'
posted on 12/5/12
Tsip feedback on Federer: "The main thing is that he managed to adjust to the wind really, really well. I think that apart from being the best player, that he is probably the best the player in the world when it comes to adjusting to any situation on the court. "
posted on 13/5/12
@tenez
Tsip feedback on Federer:..
----------------------------------------------
They don't mean anything to amri. The only player whose words he can understand and believe is from Nadal and his camp. He will believe those no matter what utter nonsense it is and start arguing about it. He will belive it to be absolutely true and if you say anything different, he will have one reply: "what is the proof?". Did he need any proof to believe it? No. So how does he ask for a proof for anything against it?
posted on 13/5/12
Results of the semi-finals:
1. (6) T Berdych defeats (10) J Del Potro 76(5) 76(6)
Points:
rotla: +6
Tenez: -6
nitb: +6
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2.
(3) R Federer defeats (7) J Tipsarevic 62 63
Points:
rotla: +3
Tenez: +3
nitb: +3
----------------
Total points in the day:
rotla: +9
Tenez: -3
nitb: +9
----------------------------------------
winner of the Semi. Finals: ROTLA, nitb
--------------
Total no of correct predictions in S. F:
rotla: 2/2
Tenez: 1/2
nitb: 2/2
------------
Total correct predictions for the tournament:
rotla: 29/38
nitb: 25/38
Tenez: 29/38
amriatia: 7/10
---------------------
Total points in the tournament:
rotla: +188
nitb: +104
Tenez : +202
amritia: +62
posted on 13/5/12
@rotla - Yes you right. Amri is a fan and fans don't proceed with logic when it comes to their idol. He thinks I am a fan like him but of Federer. He probably doesn't know that I would pay to watch someone with a better technique and grace than Federer....but thus far am just extremely happy with Federer's work. Woudl that sublime tennis been played by Vincent Spaeda or Nadal I would support those. ...And I think you are like that too. Unlike Amri tennis comes first and those players who respect the game I the ones we respect.
posted on 13/5/12
Well done on your Berdych guess. I really thought Delpo woudl win and am annoyed he could not save the only 2 BPs he faced.
posted on 13/5/12
Tenez:
Unlike Amri tennis comes first ....
----------------------------------------
Good to see you guys talking about me when I'm not here
Why haven't you lost you're superiority complex? You see everything in black and white. You have decided Federer represents tennis and Nadal represents non-tennis. Thus you can claim that all fans of Federer 'put tennis first,' which happens to be highly convenient for you as you are a Federer fan yourself.
posted on 13/5/12
@amri
Good to see you guys talking about me when I'm not here
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't talk stupid amri. Or try not to. This is an internet forum. I can't know whether you are online or not. Comments stay on the page and its for reading anytime you wish.
No body is afraid of you that we need to talk in your absence else amritia3ee "the emperor of ja606" will have us beheaded.
If you were not here, its your freaking problem.
@
Thus you can claim that all fans of Federer 'put tennis first,' which happens to be highly convenient for you as you are a Federer fan yourself.
---------------------------------------------------
As usual making things up. Show me a quote that I or Tenez have claimed here or on v2 that "all fans of Federer put tennis first". You assume all people act and think like yourself. I don't blame you, its your nature which I'm aware of. Its easy to read you.
I have said "Nadal fans are not fans of tennis. They are only Nadal fans" and I stick to it. I gave reason why I say so, if want to read those go to v2 and see. IIRC veejay also said something like that on one thread and he too gave reasons. Read those and try to think.
posted on 13/5/12
Yes its farcical.
One group of tennis fans can't just make a rule that the rest have to follow.
I mean a group of Djokovic fans could make a decision that Djokovic fans are 'fans of tennis', and Federer fans are not fans of tennis.
We don't have to follow that blindly.
posted on 13/5/12
I think you are finding it very difficult to understand what I said. Its not about making a decisions. I said I gave reasons for it. Do you understand what is the mean of reasons?
If someone wants to say Fed fans are not fans of tennis, go ahead, lets see what reasons they have to back this up. I'll challenge those if I can.
@
We don't have to follow that blindly.
-------------------------------------------------
Is that so?? Really amri?? You think you are smart not to follow anything blindly and you use your reasoning? . Did you forget about this when any tripe comes out of Nadal camp and you blindly believe it?
posted on 13/5/12
I don't blindly believe anything, Nadal's camp are just generally honest people.
Do you have a problem with that
posted on 13/5/12
I don't blindly believe anything, Nadal's camp are just generally honest people.
---------------------------------------------
Its fine amri. I have no problems with anything.
posted on 13/5/12
Bueno
posted on 13/5/12
Amrit you are hilarious! They're honest!?
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