Well personally I dealt with the disappointment the day it happened. But being on a lads holiday in Turkey will help with that!

Seriously though the points scoring some people seem to be determined to carry on with is getting boring now and is the main reason I've steered clear of this place the last couple of weeks. I've better things to do with my time than come on here to see the same 3-4 individuals posting the same "I told you so" rubbish on every article regardless of the original topic of discussion.

We're down, there is no one reason for it. Its not entirely Coyle's fault but neither is he blameless. However, the fact is that this discussion has now been done to death and its time to lay it to rest before this board becomes just as unpleasant and divided as the old 606 was during the Megson days.

i think we all want to see last season erased from history.best way of doing that is getting off to a flyer next season just like 96.

I'm with benny and WF on this. I suppose it might be a generational thing. Older trotters such as me have experienced the pain of relegation before and so may be better able to deal with it because we know we can get back up with the right approach. Relegation is bad and upsetting but it isn't the end of the world. We've been here before and probably will be again. In a way it simply adds to the excitement of being a trotter.

Whichever side of the debate and blame laying you were on it's now time to put it away and look forward to a new season and the attempt to get back into the prem at the first time of asking.

COYWM

You'd have thought that the 'told you so 'ers' would've dealt with relegation by now - apparently not.

I believe in Coyles long term plan. I don't do one minute suggest that going down was what we planned for, or wanted, nor is it a good thing. But I do think it could provide a kick up the backside for the club. So far, that kick up the backside has taken place with 10+ players leaving.

This season is big for us and Coyle. We should be definitely looking for promotion and failure to do that will result in Coyle losing his position as manager. I have no doubt about that.

I think we are in a very good position with players coming back. Much better than the likes of Wolves, Blackburn and Leeds, who seem to be our promotion rivals.

It's sad that some people feel it neccessary to keep saying I told you so, but it's just in their nature. I don't take pay too much attention to it.

As has been stated it' the same four or five posters that keep it going. They will hopefully get over it soon for everybodies sake and sanity.

It's a bit rude to ask how long someones opinion, that they are entitled to, is going to last CEF.

I could ask you the same but I feel I know the answer already.

There are an awful lot of fans out there CEF who haven't and wont forgive Coyle in a hurry, but it was Gartside's decision so he'll have to live with that.

This forum is pretty forgiving about Coyle compared to the others so you should be happy.

If you want a forum with 100% happy clappers I suggest you set up your own that you can moderate yourself and only allow the opinions you like. It's quite easy. Download GoogleApp & Python 2.7 and using GQL, directory, .POST & .APPEND commands you'll be up & running in about 10 minutes

Are you on a one man mission to annoy as many porters on here as possible, Bricks, you pedantic git?

How is my post 'rude', Bricks?

Do you not agree that there comes a point to move on. I didn't mention forgiveness. It was a simple question of how long.

If your answer was 6 months, 6 years or never, that would be fine. I clearly say that everyone gets over disappointment differently.

The rest of your comment is laughable. Your use of the term 'happy clappers' is rude and in no way describes anyone on here. Also, I enjoy this forum, so have no intention of leaving. Finally, I don't need a lesson in IT from anyone.

I am absolutely amazed at you CEF!

Firstly, you've previously stated that you've done on this board for the summer, and you'll see us all in August..

Then you create an article which has no other reason or cause, other than to cause a ruck again. Please don't waste your time saying you're not, I don't believe you. It's like the 10 commandments article the other day... Another simple mild attempt at stirring up trouble, then preaching the 'good guys' when someone gives it back. It's frankly pathetic.

People have moaned all season at being called 'rose tinted' and other 'pro Coyle' stuff, then you create an article pigeon holing people and treating them like children by asking how much longer are they going to sulk!!

What exactly has changed since Stoke? Have we won any games? Has Coyle delivered confidence to the fans? Has this squad developing actually seen us sign anyone? Am I suppose to be chuffed to bits because we've lowered the wage bill due to relegation???

You've attacked people who've said 'I told you so' then gone defensive by saying 'I just want to know how long you're gonna be negative??' utter tosh...

This board is available for any view, as long as it remains within the house rules. This attempt by you to raise the masses to suggest anyone who disagrees is not assisting in the great challenge of promotion is pathetic!

I and everyone else on here will continue to air their views as much as they want. It will get heated, it will get comical... But don't try and control anyone on here by saying enough is enough... Coyle and Gartside have said or done nothing to motivate me yet. The club has my season ticket money, and the shop will get cash from my sons shirts.... But I won't play North Korea on here by adhering to the party line because a few are sick of being told they had concerns 6 months ago.

Deal with it, play nicely & grow up.

I'm even unfiltering the 'Top Up Man' for a bit...

And to everyone else on here agreeing with the post.. Are you saying you simply don't agree with people's opinions, or are you saying this board shouldn't have anyone on here with the view that Coyle was to blame and should walk after relegation...?

Be very careful... Disagreeing with opinion is great, but a 'certain opinion only allowed', is very dangerous.... and much against my basic human principles!!!!

Mallorca - you'll get a nose bleed if you get any higher on that horse of yours!!!

Either you mistake me for someone else on here, or all your references above are a figment of your vivid imagination.

To illustrate my point, direct me to anywhere in my OP, I use the following :

'Sulk'
'Negative'
'Enough is enough'

I will stay on here, I'll never filter, delete or complain.

At the current count, there are only 3 replies on here that contain anything that could even be mildly constituted as rude or disrespectful. And it isn't anything written by me.

You created the pointless article..

Nice swipe though..

Is 'vivid imagination' offensive....?

Hmmm not sure..

Disrespectful...? Yeah......!!!!!

Can someone explain to me exactly what Coyle did wrong over the last season. Yes he did go 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 a couple of times when 4-5-1 might have got us a point but these are hardly hanging offences.
My view for what its worth is that if we had had CYL and Holden available for most of the season we would have had quite comfortably 6-9 additional points. I accept that all clubs have injuries but the smaller clubs like ours just do not have the resources to replace that level of quality. I would go as far as to say that if Muamba had been available to us then I believe that we would have scratched a couple fo extra points in the run in.
OC did try to bring in some loan quality in the form of Kakuta and Boyata both of who turned out to be abject failures. As I remember most of us thought they were good loan signings at the time.
I believe in what Coyle is trying to do and believe that, apart from Reo-Coker, the players that have been retained will provide the backbone of a serious challenge for an immediate return. We were very weak at full back last season and hopefully Mears, Ricketts, Alonso & Riley will address this issue.
If as reported Miyachi will be available for a season long loan then another centre back and a couple of midfielders along with Vela should give us enough a squad strong enough for a successful season

MT

You unfiltering me is a nice gesture and appreciated. So thanks. I would ask you not to poke fun at my job though by calling me 'top-up man'. It's a bit boring really.

Enough of that anyway. I have moved on from our rather epic dispute.

I do think you have got the wrong end of the stick with this particular article though. I think it can be interpreted both ways, but I don't think CEF meant anything sinister by creating it.

Sorry Burnden...

The OP has asked for that not to be debated...

Think you better create an article...

Feel better now Mallorca?

I'm not trying to cause a stir here and I wasn't with the Bolton Commandments post.

That post was intended to poke fun at the view certain posters were taking, namely that Coyle is to blame for everything bad to do with the Wanderers at the moment and that anyone who disagrees with that is an idiot. Which people have said on here. On numerous occasions. And actually even at the time very few people had a problem with that post as everyone could see it for what it was!

As for the OP I happen to agree with both sides of this particular argument.

Everyone does have their right to vent their views on here, its an open forum and as you say, so long as its within house rules its fine.

However I also agree with CEF that the constant moaning and hi-jacking of every thread at the moment is getting very boring and that certain posters on here need to take a step back and deal with the fact that we have been relegated.

Fact is that you can't have a discussion about anything on here at the moment without someone hi-jacking the thread and trying to turn it in to another argument about Coyle.

In my opinion at least its getting very boring now.

RR

The top up was tongue in cheek.. We both move on....

I've read CEF all season.. I'm comfortable with my interpretation.. As you say, it can be read 2 ways.. I believe mine.. Which is the spirit of 606 of course!

Or at least it is in South Korea

WF

So we are entitled to opinion...?

Great. That's all.

I do feel better thanks. Love free speech...

Your style of posting is quite clever really. You pick a post/comment apart using quotes (which is of course the correct thing to do).

But when the poster replies, explains, counters or challenges, you go quiet or choose another quote from another thread.

I have similar disagreements with Petrov and FirstOf, but they acknowledge the reply and continue the discussion. You and Bricks deflect and hide.

Ignore what CEf? Try the point again....?

My reply was simple.... I can't quote you, because your agenda is hidden.... It's quite clever really... But this article will run and run and arguments will unfold..

But would any of this have occurred if you'd not created the article??

Please, you've jumped on me before and not really achieved anything... Keep it simple, and be ready to debate. Bottom line is, it's not your board and I'll debate what I want...

Dead simple to follow that....

Deflect and Hide......

Like when quoting all your predictions from December I'm told to stop raking it up..

That's deflecting and hiding..

Of course you are entitled to opinions Mallorca.

What you just have to remember is that if your opinion disagrees with mine then its wrong.

Are we married WF????