Are you saying Greaves was overrated? What you got to back that up Sheriff?

Not ever seen Greaves, but he did score lots of goals

Take away the celebrity circus around Beckham and he'd be seen as a good footballer, no more. Hard-working with a good delivery, but put him in a rubbish side and he'd be far less effective. So overrated it's unreal

I was blinded by his ability from set peices, passing ect, the celebrity circus as you say, I loved seeing his ability on the ball!

For pure natural skill it has to be Gazza! class..

I'm not saying Greaves was overrated but comparisons across eras is a slippery slope. For example, I don't think Bobby Charlton was any better than Scholes but he's part of a generation of revered, statesmanlike English players whose charisma and success (particularly the world cup success) have seem them elevated to a pedestal that modern footballers would have difficulty attaining. There's so much that's different between the eras and public perception so these comparisons are futile.

I'm not saying Greaves was overrated but comparisons across eras is a slippery slope. For example, I don't think Bobby Charlton was any better than Scholes but he's part of a generation of revered, statesmanlike English players whose charisma and success (particularly the world cup success) have seem them elevated to a pedestal that modern footballers would have difficulty attaining. There's so much that's different between the eras and public perception so these comparisons are futile.

Double post.

I do agree that in different generations the game changed, and who was considered a a great player back in the day would struggle in the modern era!

Again never seen him play, but watching Hoddle's clips is so inspiring!

"Glen Hoddle was in fact a far better footballer than Steven Gerard and for some odd reason he was never a regular for England."

Don "work rate" Howe. Plain and simple.
The likes of Hoddle were beyond his G00n comprehension.
Once he went from the England setup, the general quality seemed to improve IMHO.


"and who is the best english centre midfield player in your opinion ?"

Gazza. Hoddle with a work ethic and a decent dribble.

all england midfielders are craap
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gascoigne was not crap





Gazza. Hoddle with a work ethic and a decent dribble.
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mesmorising dribble, and a surprisingly useful turn of pace.

Just listen to the Sandy clown fella bleat on about the 60's or Greaves or Hoddle.
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While I may agree sindy is a clown I am afraid he is right particularly regarding Jimmy Greaves. Greaves would have scored goals in any era he was simply fantastic mind you there were a few in that era nearly as good, Dennis Law for instance

We all remember the past fondly, but nostalgia blinds us
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It can yes I agree but you cant be blind to the facts as in winning the double that took a great side with great players.

To say that no-one playing at the moment would make it into teams of the past is ridiculous/
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Why ? I said none of the current Spurs players would get into my All Time X1, whats wrong with that ?

Are you going to compare Friedal with Pat Jennings ?

Or maybe Gallas with Mike England ?

Or maybe even Defoe and Adebayor against the likes of Greaves, Gilzean, Sheringham and Klinnsman ?

As for midfield when you have had the likes of Blanchflower, Mackay, Hoddle, Gazza, Cliff Jones, Ginola, Jimmy White, etc etc we definitely dont have a midfield player playing now who would get in my all time X1 so name me one you think would.

To say that no-one playing at the moment would make it into teams of the past is ridiculous/
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Thats not what I said tho is it

Our team in the last few years has been as good as it's been in my lifetime. Bale, Lennon, Modric, VDV, Benoit Assou-Ekotto, Kaboul, they'd all be close to my Tottenham XI. To say that no-one playing at the moment would make it into teams of the past is ridiculous/
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your pulling our plonker arent you ?

ive been a spurs fan since 1982, and i can think of at least one better player in every position from that period, than the current incumbant.

I'd have thought that the ony recent players who would be under consideration for a team of the last 30 years would be King, Berbatov, and possibly Sandro and one of the wingers.


==========Clemence
Perryman King C------ll Mabbutt
Anderton Gascoigne Hoddle* Ginola
=======Berbatov Klinsmann


*or Roberts

imagine gazza, ginola, hoddle and berbatov in the same side

bench :

robinson, carr, naughton, roberts/sandro,bale/lennon,lineker, sheringham

==========clemence
perryman mabbutt roberts knowles
anderton hoddle stewart ginola
=====lineker sheringham

==========robinson
carr====king===c-------l=====naughton
lennon gascoigne sandro bale
===berbatov klinsmann


would be a good game