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He has been overhyped IMO. I have been following him since he joined the Academy and his potential is there for all to see but he's going through a phase now where Premiership defenders are beggining to work him out. It must also be very fifficult for an 18yr old to stand up to the physical rigours of a whole season.
He is tactically very aware and diciplined but he hasn't been able to bring his goal scoring from the Academy, and he's been poor in that regard.
As far as a new contract goes I think he needs to show more than he has in the last few games if he wants an improved contract.
Sterling has been overplayed. Sterling, Allen and Gerrard all need a rest.
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TOOR is right. However we need more reinforcements in January to give them the break they deserve.
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He's got great potential and has been brilliant considering it's his first season.
Consistency-wise he shows his age and we need a more senior player so that there isn't as much pressure on him, but that's not his fault.
I hope he stays, but I also don't think we should chuck mega-bucks at him to make him stay. Someone breaking through at the club and becoming a class player is the fairytale, but it doesn't always work out that way for a multitude of reasons. Players' heads get turned, they get bad advice and some of them flat out just don't fulfil their potential.
It's imperative that we strike the right balance with Raheem. We have to make sure that any deal agreed is in the best interests of the player, but more importantly, for the club too. The sums being mentioned (by papers, I know) are huge considering his age. If he is indeed holding out for ludicrous money then I'd have no problem selling him. There's just too much that can go wrong if we pay such an inexperienced player so much money when he's played a handful of games.
If he wants a wage that is beyond what the manager and board are comfortable with, then there's not much more to be said really. There's no point in caving in just because it's great when a youngster does break through. This is the best club for him at the moment, he's playing games and if he has a quiet game he's not turfed into the reserves like he would be at the likes of City and Chelsea. If he doesn't realise this and would rather chase money or think he'll walk into these teams, what can we do?
Hopefully he agrees a deal, and hopefully it's a sensible one. I'd offer him a deal that increases substantially year on year rather than giving him a giant wedge straight off the bat, he gets a big pay rise and we get a bit of leeway in seeing where his development is year on year.
Anything? I think many more goals and assists than certain Mr. Downing in the whole of last season!!!
Dr Seven Grater - filled with a nameless dread (U13441)
Maybe the biggest factor in this is that he has been overplayed? I can understand this given the early impact he made and the potential he has shown. He played well in pre season and we have known about him for a long time.
I have been concerned over some of the suggestions he is holding out for big money but what can you believe at the moment? Like you said he has to earn in and a gradual build is more appealing for the club and gives incentive for the player.
I understand he sees what Downing and Carroll were on but they were different situations and more significantly they are players without a future at the club, probably.
Jav,
Yeah I agree with all that, that's one of the knock-ons of our poor signings over the past few years, players looking at the likes of Cole, Downing etc earning megabucks and wanting a piece of the pie. We can't afford to allow that to happen, their wages are already a weight around our neck.
Hopefully it all gets sorted, because he's a promising player, but it can all go pear shaped quite quickly with such a young player. I personally don't think we can afford to gamble so much money on a player's potential, the same way we should never have gambled by paying Cole or anyone else far more than he was worth.
In fact, it's arguably more of a risk with someone like Sterling, considering what the money could do to him mentally. He still has an awful lot of work to do to fulfil his potential. Also, similar to the way people look at the wages of players we're trying to shift and wanting parity, what message does it send if a player makes a few appearances, demands a huge wage and gets it?
I agree. Sterling's performances have not been stellar for a good few games. The potential is obvious but he needs to create more.
Sterling has been good phases but recently he has been below par largely due to him being sussed out by defenders. They know which way he turns/cuts in and he needs to work on his game in terms of positional sense, final ball and shooting. At 17 we can't expect all that but we need to avoid him becoming a Lennon/Babel type who were are more or less one dimensional.
Sterling has been overplayed. Sterling, Allen and Gerrard all need a rest.
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What do you mean Gerrard and Allen need a rest? If we were in the Champions League, Allen and Gerrard would be expected to play on a Tuesday/Wednesday and then again on the Saturday/Sunday.
Neither have started every Europa League game and we're not in the League Cup.
They're not in need of a rest, they're in need of dropping for their current form. Saying they are tired is an excuse.
Why are Gerrard and Allen being blamed?
comment by FatJanMolby (U4297)
posted 19 minutes ago
Sterling has been overplayed. Sterling, Allen and Gerrard all need a rest.
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What do you mean Gerrard and Allen need a rest? If we were in the Champions League, Allen and Gerrard would be expected to play on a Tuesday/Wednesday and then again on the Saturday/Sunday.
Neither have started every Europa League game and we're not in the League Cup.
They're not in need of a rest, they're in need of dropping for their current form. Saying they are tired is an excuse.
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I think they need a rest as they play in nearly every game and look shattered by the time they get to the 60th minute. I think the role Gerrard has in the team is wrong. I don't think he should be pacing himself to last the game. I think he should be going all out like he used to do and then rested in games. Having a 100% Gerrard for 50% of the games is better than having a 50% Gerrard for 100% of the games. Sterling also looks tired and lost of the fight he was showing when he first came in, trying to win a place.
I want Suso to play more again.
Remember how well Suso and Sahin played in the 5-2 win at Norwich?
I don't think Suso is suited to the wide role. I also don't think he's suited to the midfield role in the system we play. Well not yet anyway.
Less than half way into the season TOOR. None of them should be looking tired.
Its an excuse. Skrtel (22 games) and Johnson (20) have played in as many games as Gerrard (21) and Allen (21) this season. Agger has a couple less (19). Suarez has started (20).
comment by FatJanMolby (U4297)
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Less than half way into the season TOOR. None of them should be looking tired.
Its an excuse. Skrtel (22 games) and Johnson (20) have played in as many games as Gerrard (21) and Allen (21) this season. Agger has a couple less (19). Suarez has started (20).
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Gerrard is 32 for a start. Does he not look tired to you? Allen is younger but considering the running he has to do, he could be tired, don't you think he looks tired also? Our midfield are expected to close down a lot, defenders and strikers get a break, it's not a good comparison.
Dropped, rested, I don't really care what it is, all I know is that if we put Gerrard and Allen into the side in the next match, I think they'll be average at best, the same as they have been basically for months, it wouldn't make an awful lot of sense.
I dont want to see them retain their places when we've other options. I think Henderson deserves a start for some of his recent displays. I agree with Jav about wanting to see Suso, he's different from anything else we have in how he goes about trying to unlock defences. I also agree with TOOR that Suso's inclusion would require a tactical tweak; I'd play 4-2-3-1 with Suso behind Suarez and Henderson with Lucas in midfield.
But I also wouldn't mind seeing Shelvey or Sahin given a go. Or Suso on the right, which isn't ideal but we're short on cover for Sterling. All I know is that it will baffle me if at least one of Gerrard or Allen isn't replaced. For me, it would raise questions about how poorly they'd have to actually play before someone else gets a go.
I also don't want to see Joe Cole being our first port of call when we're looking to change things. Fair play to him for scoring against West Ham, but why not use Suso, who has a future at the club and could do with game time?
"I dont want to see them retain their places when we've other options. I think Henderson deserves a start for some of his recent displays. I agree with Jav about wanting to see Suso, he's different from anything else we have in how he goes about trying to unlock defences. I also agree with TOOR that Suso's inclusion would require a tactical tweak; I'd play 4-2-3-1 with Suso behind Suarez and Henderson with Lucas in midfield."
Yeah, I'd be happy with that. I also think we should adopt that system anyway, at least until we have the players required for Brendan's system.
No I think they aren't playing well but tiredness isn't an excuse. Their form just isn't very good at the moment.
Its arguable that Johnson does more running than any player on the pitch, constntly up and down the flanks. He's played as many games. His from is good, but using your argument he should be as tired as Allen.
I think BR isn't brave enough to drop Gerrard for a few games. Results aren't favourinmg us to be fair. If we were in a the middle of a very good run we could rest him. Gerrard's role is different this season, he is playing deeper, he isn't the box to box player he used to be. He's adapting his game to his age.
Not really different players have differently levels of natural fitness and different players play in different positions which require different movements for example chasing after the ball in the middle is more tiring than running down the line into empty space.
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posted on 17/12/12
He has been overhyped IMO. I have been following him since he joined the Academy and his potential is there for all to see but he's going through a phase now where Premiership defenders are beggining to work him out. It must also be very fifficult for an 18yr old to stand up to the physical rigours of a whole season.
He is tactically very aware and diciplined but he hasn't been able to bring his goal scoring from the Academy, and he's been poor in that regard.
As far as a new contract goes I think he needs to show more than he has in the last few games if he wants an improved contract.
posted on 17/12/12
Sterling has been overplayed. Sterling, Allen and Gerrard all need a rest.
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posted on 17/12/12
TOOR is right. However we need more reinforcements in January to give them the break they deserve.
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posted on 17/12/12
He's got great potential and has been brilliant considering it's his first season.
Consistency-wise he shows his age and we need a more senior player so that there isn't as much pressure on him, but that's not his fault.
I hope he stays, but I also don't think we should chuck mega-bucks at him to make him stay. Someone breaking through at the club and becoming a class player is the fairytale, but it doesn't always work out that way for a multitude of reasons. Players' heads get turned, they get bad advice and some of them flat out just don't fulfil their potential.
It's imperative that we strike the right balance with Raheem. We have to make sure that any deal agreed is in the best interests of the player, but more importantly, for the club too. The sums being mentioned (by papers, I know) are huge considering his age. If he is indeed holding out for ludicrous money then I'd have no problem selling him. There's just too much that can go wrong if we pay such an inexperienced player so much money when he's played a handful of games.
If he wants a wage that is beyond what the manager and board are comfortable with, then there's not much more to be said really. There's no point in caving in just because it's great when a youngster does break through. This is the best club for him at the moment, he's playing games and if he has a quiet game he's not turfed into the reserves like he would be at the likes of City and Chelsea. If he doesn't realise this and would rather chase money or think he'll walk into these teams, what can we do?
Hopefully he agrees a deal, and hopefully it's a sensible one. I'd offer him a deal that increases substantially year on year rather than giving him a giant wedge straight off the bat, he gets a big pay rise and we get a bit of leeway in seeing where his development is year on year.
posted on 17/12/12
Anything? I think many more goals and assists than certain Mr. Downing in the whole of last season!!!
posted on 17/12/12
Dr Seven Grater - filled with a nameless dread (U13441)
Maybe the biggest factor in this is that he has been overplayed? I can understand this given the early impact he made and the potential he has shown. He played well in pre season and we have known about him for a long time.
I have been concerned over some of the suggestions he is holding out for big money but what can you believe at the moment? Like you said he has to earn in and a gradual build is more appealing for the club and gives incentive for the player.
I understand he sees what Downing and Carroll were on but they were different situations and more significantly they are players without a future at the club, probably.
posted on 17/12/12
Jav,
Yeah I agree with all that, that's one of the knock-ons of our poor signings over the past few years, players looking at the likes of Cole, Downing etc earning megabucks and wanting a piece of the pie. We can't afford to allow that to happen, their wages are already a weight around our neck.
Hopefully it all gets sorted, because he's a promising player, but it can all go pear shaped quite quickly with such a young player. I personally don't think we can afford to gamble so much money on a player's potential, the same way we should never have gambled by paying Cole or anyone else far more than he was worth.
In fact, it's arguably more of a risk with someone like Sterling, considering what the money could do to him mentally. He still has an awful lot of work to do to fulfil his potential. Also, similar to the way people look at the wages of players we're trying to shift and wanting parity, what message does it send if a player makes a few appearances, demands a huge wage and gets it?
posted on 17/12/12
I agree. Sterling's performances have not been stellar for a good few games. The potential is obvious but he needs to create more.
posted on 17/12/12
Sterling has been good phases but recently he has been below par largely due to him being sussed out by defenders. They know which way he turns/cuts in and he needs to work on his game in terms of positional sense, final ball and shooting. At 17 we can't expect all that but we need to avoid him becoming a Lennon/Babel type who were are more or less one dimensional.
posted on 17/12/12
Sterling has been overplayed. Sterling, Allen and Gerrard all need a rest.
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What do you mean Gerrard and Allen need a rest? If we were in the Champions League, Allen and Gerrard would be expected to play on a Tuesday/Wednesday and then again on the Saturday/Sunday.
Neither have started every Europa League game and we're not in the League Cup.
They're not in need of a rest, they're in need of dropping for their current form. Saying they are tired is an excuse.
posted on 17/12/12
Why are Gerrard and Allen being blamed?
posted on 17/12/12
comment by FatJanMolby (U4297)
posted 19 minutes ago
Sterling has been overplayed. Sterling, Allen and Gerrard all need a rest.
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What do you mean Gerrard and Allen need a rest? If we were in the Champions League, Allen and Gerrard would be expected to play on a Tuesday/Wednesday and then again on the Saturday/Sunday.
Neither have started every Europa League game and we're not in the League Cup.
They're not in need of a rest, they're in need of dropping for their current form. Saying they are tired is an excuse.
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I think they need a rest as they play in nearly every game and look shattered by the time they get to the 60th minute. I think the role Gerrard has in the team is wrong. I don't think he should be pacing himself to last the game. I think he should be going all out like he used to do and then rested in games. Having a 100% Gerrard for 50% of the games is better than having a 50% Gerrard for 100% of the games. Sterling also looks tired and lost of the fight he was showing when he first came in, trying to win a place.
posted on 17/12/12
I want Suso to play more again.
Remember how well Suso and Sahin played in the 5-2 win at Norwich?
posted on 17/12/12
I don't think Suso is suited to the wide role. I also don't think he's suited to the midfield role in the system we play. Well not yet anyway.
posted on 17/12/12
Less than half way into the season TOOR. None of them should be looking tired.
Its an excuse. Skrtel (22 games) and Johnson (20) have played in as many games as Gerrard (21) and Allen (21) this season. Agger has a couple less (19). Suarez has started (20).
posted on 17/12/12
comment by FatJanMolby (U4297)
posted 25 seconds ago
Less than half way into the season TOOR. None of them should be looking tired.
Its an excuse. Skrtel (22 games) and Johnson (20) have played in as many games as Gerrard (21) and Allen (21) this season. Agger has a couple less (19). Suarez has started (20).
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Gerrard is 32 for a start. Does he not look tired to you? Allen is younger but considering the running he has to do, he could be tired, don't you think he looks tired also? Our midfield are expected to close down a lot, defenders and strikers get a break, it's not a good comparison.
posted on 17/12/12
Dropped, rested, I don't really care what it is, all I know is that if we put Gerrard and Allen into the side in the next match, I think they'll be average at best, the same as they have been basically for months, it wouldn't make an awful lot of sense.
I dont want to see them retain their places when we've other options. I think Henderson deserves a start for some of his recent displays. I agree with Jav about wanting to see Suso, he's different from anything else we have in how he goes about trying to unlock defences. I also agree with TOOR that Suso's inclusion would require a tactical tweak; I'd play 4-2-3-1 with Suso behind Suarez and Henderson with Lucas in midfield.
But I also wouldn't mind seeing Shelvey or Sahin given a go. Or Suso on the right, which isn't ideal but we're short on cover for Sterling. All I know is that it will baffle me if at least one of Gerrard or Allen isn't replaced. For me, it would raise questions about how poorly they'd have to actually play before someone else gets a go.
I also don't want to see Joe Cole being our first port of call when we're looking to change things. Fair play to him for scoring against West Ham, but why not use Suso, who has a future at the club and could do with game time?
posted on 17/12/12
"I dont want to see them retain their places when we've other options. I think Henderson deserves a start for some of his recent displays. I agree with Jav about wanting to see Suso, he's different from anything else we have in how he goes about trying to unlock defences. I also agree with TOOR that Suso's inclusion would require a tactical tweak; I'd play 4-2-3-1 with Suso behind Suarez and Henderson with Lucas in midfield."
Yeah, I'd be happy with that. I also think we should adopt that system anyway, at least until we have the players required for Brendan's system.
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posted on 17/12/12
No I think they aren't playing well but tiredness isn't an excuse. Their form just isn't very good at the moment.
Its arguable that Johnson does more running than any player on the pitch, constntly up and down the flanks. He's played as many games. His from is good, but using your argument he should be as tired as Allen.
I think BR isn't brave enough to drop Gerrard for a few games. Results aren't favourinmg us to be fair. If we were in a the middle of a very good run we could rest him. Gerrard's role is different this season, he is playing deeper, he isn't the box to box player he used to be. He's adapting his game to his age.
posted on 17/12/12
Not really different players have differently levels of natural fitness and different players play in different positions which require different movements for example chasing after the ball in the middle is more tiring than running down the line into empty space.
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