Exactly my thinking... Flower and the management seem to be lining KP up as the scapegoat
if it were me, i'd make KP captain, they need a forceful and attacking captain, Cook is too conservative
Don't think I'd go as far as making him captain because they've tried that and it hasn't worked. Captain or not, he's the best batsman England have by 200 miles. England needs KP.
Cook should be axed as skipper and i cant see past KP as his replacement
I think cook deserves a couple of more series at least.... I'm the meantime, get broad ready.
Id make kp skipper too........any sort of problem now...its kps fault........
To not have him involved in shaping our play is daft......vice at least.
I wanted flower to go but before all this nonsense with mr ego.Kp as already ended one coaches career I Moores.. He asnt really done much with the bat? Hes an arrogant ass.Id only keep Pieterson because rightnow he offers more then what we have in reserve. Otherwise Kevin Pieterson would be out on his ear.
Agree England,he's arrogant no doubt. But his record with the bat speaks volumes. Anyways, all this will be forgotten if the summer is a success..
His record in the last 2 years aint been anything to write home about.
Saying that hes still a good player and would be bad to see him depart.
Im only keeping him in the team for the team preformances. Not has a person to be in a team. Hes a loner.
KP is always the whipping boy when things go wrong for England. He might have been poor in the Ashes but he was still England's top scorer.
KP will come good in summer because he loves Indian bowling
there should be about 20 people taking responsibility for the ashes shambles ,and they manipulate it so one names in the frame KP
Bob Willis has no right to make the kick him out call he should shut his trap,Butcher said KP is very humble with young players providing encouragement that's good enough for me flowers do your job make everyone feel comfortable not just the soft southern ponces or fk off yourself
Ecb aren't stupid. England is probably the only country where you are guaranteed sell outs for tests (at least first 3 days) and ODIS... People pay good money to watch entertaining players like KP, not good coaches.
Also, without KP flowers wouldn't have had the success he's had over the years. Needs to show some gratitude
Seriously why does KP always get the blame when things go wrong with England. Actually feel sort for the guy. It not like hes giving advise to Cook as he isn't part of the inner circle on the field for some daft reason.
He is still England best player and is the wicket every team wants.
To me it looks like KP just need abit of loving from the management and to make him feel wanted.
Cook is also a very negative captain with no balls.
Seriously why does KP always get the blame when things go wrong with England.
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because he's honest, and not a posh public school suck up
comment by j, edward delmonte (U3109)
posted 11 minutes ago
there should be about 20 people taking responsibility for the ashes shambles ,and they manipulate it so one names in the frame KP
Bob Willis has no right to make the kick him out call he should shut his trap,Butcher said KP is very humble with young players providing encouragement that's good enough for me flowers do your job make everyone feel comfortable not just the soft southern ponces or fk off yourself
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I was watching the verdict and Bob Willis didn't say that. He wanted KP to be vice captain and wanted KP to have a bigger role in the whole team. He was frankly shocked that cook didn't even talk to him about on field matters.
Unless Willis has made another statement after the verdict u are chatting rubbish.
A Flower should be removed. KP is probably the best batsman in the world - except Amla.
Cook is also an awful captain, I'd rather Broad, Bell or even KP himself take the armband.
Unless Willis has made another statement after the verdict u are chatting rubbish
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when asked what would you do bob he replied simply "kick him out"
Seriously why does KP always get the blame when things go wrong with England. Actually feel sort for the guy. It not like hes giving advise to Cook as he isn't part of the inner circle on the field for some daft reason.
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Exactly boss. He's been put out to fielding at the boundary practically all tour. Never once did I see him get involved with cook or any other player in the field. It's clear the management treat him like dirt....
He could always replace kallis- 4th spot in Saffers side up for grabs
When was this Mexican? As Willis had KP in his team for the next series and ashes 2015.
Kallis will come out of retirement, i have a sneaky feeling he will miss it and the king will return.
KP should have been shown the door after his S Africa texting, irrespective of how good a player he is.
People like KP are all ego, they will never play for the team only themselves. How many times have we seen him throw his wicket away when we desperately needed him to get his head down and play for the team.
Tuffers is right, he will never be a great player.
He and Bell were the experienced middle order who should have helped the youngsters during this series and their failures, along with Prior and the gutless Swann are the hardest to accept.
Start rebuilding now without KP!
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 2 minutes ago
When was this Mexican? As Willis had KP in his team for the next series and ashes 2015.
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People like KP are all ego, they will never play for the team only themselves. How many times have we seen him throw his wicket away when we desperately needed him to get his head down and play for the team
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Nonsense. Don't know if you've noticed or not but KP's runs are added to the "team total"? The guy is head and shoulders above any other current England player and all county cricketers England has to offer in both divisions. Fact
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posted on 8/1/14
KP has to stay
posted on 8/1/14
Exactly my thinking... Flower and the management seem to be lining KP up as the scapegoat
posted on 8/1/14
if it were me, i'd make KP captain, they need a forceful and attacking captain, Cook is too conservative
posted on 8/1/14
Don't think I'd go as far as making him captain because they've tried that and it hasn't worked. Captain or not, he's the best batsman England have by 200 miles. England needs KP.
posted on 8/1/14
Cook should be axed as skipper and i cant see past KP as his replacement
posted on 8/1/14
I think cook deserves a couple of more series at least.... I'm the meantime, get broad ready.
posted on 8/1/14
Id make kp skipper too........any sort of problem now...its kps fault........
To not have him involved in shaping our play is daft......vice at least.
posted on 8/1/14
I wanted flower to go but before all this nonsense with mr ego.Kp as already ended one coaches career I Moores.. He asnt really done much with the bat? Hes an arrogant ass.Id only keep Pieterson because rightnow he offers more then what we have in reserve. Otherwise Kevin Pieterson would be out on his ear.
posted on 8/1/14
Agree England,he's arrogant no doubt. But his record with the bat speaks volumes. Anyways, all this will be forgotten if the summer is a success..
posted on 8/1/14
His record in the last 2 years aint been anything to write home about.
Saying that hes still a good player and would be bad to see him depart.
Im only keeping him in the team for the team preformances. Not has a person to be in a team. Hes a loner.
posted on 8/1/14
Goodbye Flower.
posted on 8/1/14
KP is always the whipping boy when things go wrong for England. He might have been poor in the Ashes but he was still England's top scorer.
KP will come good in summer because he loves Indian bowling
posted on 8/1/14
there should be about 20 people taking responsibility for the ashes shambles ,and they manipulate it so one names in the frame KP
Bob Willis has no right to make the kick him out call he should shut his trap,Butcher said KP is very humble with young players providing encouragement that's good enough for me flowers do your job make everyone feel comfortable not just the soft southern ponces or fk off yourself
posted on 8/1/14
Ecb aren't stupid. England is probably the only country where you are guaranteed sell outs for tests (at least first 3 days) and ODIS... People pay good money to watch entertaining players like KP, not good coaches.
Also, without KP flowers wouldn't have had the success he's had over the years. Needs to show some gratitude
posted on 8/1/14
Seriously why does KP always get the blame when things go wrong with England. Actually feel sort for the guy. It not like hes giving advise to Cook as he isn't part of the inner circle on the field for some daft reason.
He is still England best player and is the wicket every team wants.
To me it looks like KP just need abit of loving from the management and to make him feel wanted.
Cook is also a very negative captain with no balls.
posted on 8/1/14
Seriously why does KP always get the blame when things go wrong with England.
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because he's honest, and not a posh public school suck up
posted on 8/1/14
comment by j, edward delmonte (U3109)
posted 11 minutes ago
there should be about 20 people taking responsibility for the ashes shambles ,and they manipulate it so one names in the frame KP
Bob Willis has no right to make the kick him out call he should shut his trap,Butcher said KP is very humble with young players providing encouragement that's good enough for me flowers do your job make everyone feel comfortable not just the soft southern ponces or fk off yourself
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I was watching the verdict and Bob Willis didn't say that. He wanted KP to be vice captain and wanted KP to have a bigger role in the whole team. He was frankly shocked that cook didn't even talk to him about on field matters.
Unless Willis has made another statement after the verdict u are chatting rubbish.
posted on 8/1/14
A Flower should be removed. KP is probably the best batsman in the world - except Amla.
Cook is also an awful captain, I'd rather Broad, Bell or even KP himself take the armband.
posted on 8/1/14
Unless Willis has made another statement after the verdict u are chatting rubbish
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when asked what would you do bob he replied simply "kick him out"
posted on 8/1/14
Seriously why does KP always get the blame when things go wrong with England. Actually feel sort for the guy. It not like hes giving advise to Cook as he isn't part of the inner circle on the field for some daft reason.
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Exactly boss. He's been put out to fielding at the boundary practically all tour. Never once did I see him get involved with cook or any other player in the field. It's clear the management treat him like dirt....
He could always replace kallis- 4th spot in Saffers side up for grabs
posted on 8/1/14
When was this Mexican? As Willis had KP in his team for the next series and ashes 2015.
posted on 8/1/14
Kallis will come out of retirement, i have a sneaky feeling he will miss it and the king will return.
posted on 8/1/14
KP should have been shown the door after his S Africa texting, irrespective of how good a player he is.
People like KP are all ego, they will never play for the team only themselves. How many times have we seen him throw his wicket away when we desperately needed him to get his head down and play for the team.
Tuffers is right, he will never be a great player.
He and Bell were the experienced middle order who should have helped the youngsters during this series and their failures, along with Prior and the gutless Swann are the hardest to accept.
Start rebuilding now without KP!
posted on 8/1/14
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 2 minutes ago
When was this Mexican? As Willis had KP in his team for the next series and ashes 2015.
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posted on 8/1/14
People like KP are all ego, they will never play for the team only themselves. How many times have we seen him throw his wicket away when we desperately needed him to get his head down and play for the team
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Nonsense. Don't know if you've noticed or not but KP's runs are added to the "team total"? The guy is head and shoulders above any other current England player and all county cricketers England has to offer in both divisions. Fact
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