comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 34 seconds ago
Utd are poorer financially than City and Chelsea would Utd fans accept long term 3rd or 4th as a result. Probably not, so it isn't really the manager most fans want replaced but in reality they want a new mega rich playboy owner who can throw both money, playersand mangers at them like eggs at a wall until they get ones that don't crack.
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That's the spirit Admin

Utd deserve some pain

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I wouldnt say the main point of a football club is to win games, as this variable is so affected by every team around yourself. The main point is to continue to improve/grow as a team, if you have a manager who can do well in the short term, while focusing on the long term then that is ideal. We had that in Martin Jol.

Whether or not Moyes is the man for the job, I don't know.

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wouldnt say the main point of a football club is to win games, as this variable is so affected by every team around yourself. The main point is to continue to improve/grow as a team, if you have a manager who can do well in the short term, while focusing on the long term then that is ideal. We had that in Martin Jol.

Whether or not Moyes is the man for the job, I don't know.
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I do!

People seem to miss what made United so successfull for such a long time, it wasn't the parts, the amount of money spent, the players bought etc., it was the glue that held it all together!

Sir Alex created an identity, culture, ethos that held tight through the generations, and was helped by having the Manchester United name and brand associated with it.

Imagine all those young players and talismen playing for one of the World's most prestigious clubs, a club with values, dicipline, respect, togetherness, family ties, longevity and so on...............

They belonged, they achieved and all they had to do was get with the programme, live and breath the culture, and they'd be on their way to fulfilled careers.

We don't need owners with deeper pockets we need management players and staff that can maintain the club culture!

The biggest problem with Moyes is him getting rid of the old backroom staff, they would have helped with the continuity of the United ethic that had been built over the years!

You are quickly forgotten about when outta the top 4.
Utd will end up attracting the players Spurs go after

comment by TheChameleonProject (U1847)
posted 7 seconds ago
You are quickly forgotten about when outta the top 4.
Utd will end up attracting the players Spurs go after
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That's a bit of a low shot TCP

We don't need owners with deeper pockets we need management players and staff that can maintain the club culture!

The biggest problem with Moyes is him getting rid of the old backroom staff, they would have helped with the continuity of the United ethic that had been built over the years!
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So your basically saying you need a new manager, new players and new backroom staff, all without a billionaire owner.

Moyes should have tried to keep things as they were at United and just slotted into the position. Changing backroom staff, coachs etc is a big mistake. He needed to gradually bring his own staff over the years once theyve learnt the system. There always problems when you change managers and staff with it because it means players have to get used to different systems all the time and different personel.

We don't need owners with deeper pockets we need management players and staff that can maintain the club culture!
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That goes against those holding up the CFC managerial merrygoround as an acceptable strategy of success.

comment by TheWhiteWall68 (U17633)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wouldnt say the main point of a football club is to win games, as this variable is so affected by every team around yourself. The main point is to continue to improve/grow as a team, if you have a manager who can do well in the short term, while focusing on the long term then that is ideal. We had that in Martin Jol.

Whether or not Moyes is the man for the job, I don't know.
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I do!
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So your basically saying you need a new manager, new players and new backroom staff, all without a billionaire owner.
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No, what I'm saying is we needed a new manager because Sir Alex was retiring, however the backroom staff and all behind the scenes should have remained the same! Continuity is what was needed!

Imagine all those young players and talismen playing for one of the World's most prestigious clubs, a club with values, dicipline, respect, togetherness, family ties, longevity and so on...............

They belonged, they achieved and all they had to do was get with the programme, live and breath the culture, and they'd be on their way to fulfilled careers.

We don't need owners with deeper pockets we need management players and staff that can maintain the club culture!
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Lambsy - You had Fergie. That was it. Now he's gone. You will be just like any other club.

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comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 3 minutes ago
We don't need owners with deeper pockets we need management players and staff that can maintain the club culture!
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That goes against those holding up the CFC managerial merrygoround as an acceptable strategy of success.
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Not sure Admin likes us Getting wummed
Can I filter you Admin?

How long could Fergie have held off the big spenders with his aged squad. Sure he would be doing better than Moyes but guys like Rio arguably one of the best defenders in the world aren't replaced cheaply. Add to that giggs, scholes etc and you are talking serious cash injections needed.

Chelsea has a plan.
Top 4.
Which Utd will soon find out and also why Liverpool hounded out a manager .
Levy being the worst of the lot

comment by Hippo on Toast (mufc) - follow the new ja606 twitter @jalob_official (U1301)
posted 13 seconds ago
admin

if moyes was mourinho, then there might be some logic to what you are saying, but moyes has achieved nothing in his career to even suggest he should be considered for united in the first place.

there is no point in taking the risk and keeping him.
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You could say the same about Pellegrini,he's not won anything of note before either but it doesn't mean he's the wrong man.

I think the real issue for Moyes is he has a squad and club ethos that isn't compatible for him.
He's always been a defence first manager and that will never be suitable at a club like Utd
At Everton he played the same way he's doing at Utd but was fortunate to have Baines and Coleman who can deliver quality balls in from the flanks which was integral to the relative success of the side,whereas at Utd he has possibly the worst exponent of wing play in Valencia and just Evra on the other side who's not a natural crosser either.

At Everton he also had the likes of pienaar,mirallas,Osman who are players who look to get beyond the forwards which creates real positional problems for the opposition defence.
At Utd he doesn't have any which explains how the smaller sides can come to Old Trafford and defend with relative ease because the play is so one dimensional.

Utd and Moyes will never be a good fit
I hope he sees out all 6 years of his contract

Whenever I watched Utd, Fergies main tactic seemed to be to get it wide and deliver good crosses.

I dont know why this suddenly dont work for Agent Moyes.

That goes against those holding up the CFC managerial merrygoround as an acceptable strategy of success.
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Chelsea's strategy has brought some success, so it is a strategy that may work for them to the extent they want. However United's strategy worked for a couple of decades and brought the kind of sustained success others could only dream of. Perhaps the same strategy does not work for all clubs but considering United's history and World stature it was an ideal strategy for them!

comment by TheWhiteWall68 (U17633)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 3 minutes ago
We don't need owners with deeper pockets we need management players and staff that can maintain the club culture!
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That goes against those holding up the CFC managerial merrygoround as an acceptable strategy of success.
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Not sure Admin likes usGetting wummed
Can I filter you Admin?
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Not at all, nothing like that. But most other teams just can't come close to matching City and CFC and it appears many fans of other teams really struggle to accept the implications of that harsh reality.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2vmem4g.jpg

Lambsy, times has changed though, money talks more than continunity now. CFC, Man C, Real Madrid, PSG, don't have the continuity of most teams but they are the teams winning things these days.
You need a balance of both, with a good manager behind the whole thing.

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
Whenever I watched Utd, Fergies main tactic seemed to be to get it wide and deliver good crosses.

I dont know why this suddenly dont work for Agent Moyes.
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The players aren't good enough and the ones that are don't believe the manager is.

Got to feel sorry for them...