The same arguments in relation to England’s failings have been raised now for 20+ years.
IMO the level of coaching is fine (for about 10yrs anyway) however the number of professional coaches in England compared to other countries is miniscule.
While it is difficult to pin point one single “failing” (there are many) I believe the foremost reason for England’s shortcomings is the colossal pressure placed on the players to perform which adversely affects the application of coaching/preparation and their ability to produce when it matters.
I believe the foremost reason for England’s shortcomings is the colossal pressure placed on the players to perform which adversely affects the application of coaching/preparation and their ability to produce when it matters.
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I'm sorry but i don't agree with that, every nation puts their team under intense pressure at the world cup, this year, our players were under the least pressure they have ever had at a world cup and still dissappointed. Most of the players have not ever played at the top level, eg champs league, so how do you expect them to beat the best of the best when most of them haven't played the best around.
You forgot to mention the hype from the media which makes some people think players are better than they actually are. Wilshere is a perfect example.
The transfer fees associated with English players is also excessive, and the clubs have to look after themselves, so they bring in talent from elsewhere who are equal or better than the overrated youngsters.
On what planet for instance does an 18 year old LB cost £30m for instance. Think about all the transfers that have happened in the prem involving english players and the extortionate price tags, its no wonder people cannot be arséd wasting money on a lot of them.
I feel the problems lies in Grass roots football.
The way children are brought up, the type of training they have, tthe emphasis on winning at such an early age.
Unless this is changed, we will struggle to find good technical English players.
AFCISMYTEAM
When compared to other nations England are on another level – specifically in respect to condemnation of the players and micro analysing and demanding the team delivers; “England expects.”
While media focus is also huge elsewhere there seems to be more of a unity (between what is expected and can be achieved). When players that constantly deliver for their club teams time and again fail to perform for England, questions need to be asked why this happens.
It certainly has nothing to do with ability or coaching.
Futsal would be a great place to start
On what planet for instance does an 18 year old LB cost £30m for instance.
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Only in the PL sadly and that is why none of our overpriced and overhyped players play abroad.
MUDD
Futsal was implemented and administered by the FA in 2008.
On what planet for instance does an 18 year old LB cost £30m for instance.
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Only in the PL sadly and that is why none of our overpriced and overhyped players play abroad.
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And also that't the reason why people start expecting player to be world beater..Shaw?? guy had no clue what to do in a friendly game, let alone actual WC match.
When players that constantly deliver for their club teams time and again fail to perform for England, questions need to be asked why this happens.
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I really believe that for years, our players have been riding with the best foreign players, which make them look better, and makes us expect them do well at international level, when you take that foreign superstar out of their team, they look average. England midfield and attack was more or less LFC without Suarez, and look how well we done.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
MUDD
Futsal was implemented and administered by the FA in 2008.
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Implemented where my good man?
in the end the maths on 5k per week or 10k per week as a total unproven reserve (never mind bench wamrer) cannot be ignored
it is better than the lottery isn't it?
5k x 52 = 260k per year prior to tax
10k per week = double it obviously.
If you get paid 20k per week you in effect become a millionaire after one year so I can certainly see the issue
Lets just use one example
Conor Coady. former england u20 captain (where at u20 worlds england flopped)
Is REPUTEDLY on 7500 per week or thereabouts.
now all he's done is done and played league 1 and his club got a bit of a cup run.... Its what 10-15 years since that was a good wage for a senior pro but now kids are getting it!!!
Another issue I'd add to this is that none of the players who are either part of the England team or on the verges of it play in another country, they all play in England. People moan about the influx of foreigners into the premier league but the question should be asked as to why there's so little of the other way around.
I really think that players would benefit from the experience and learning they'd get by playing in leagues in other countries and as long as they aren't England are going to be missing something crucial to their make-up.
Look, Costa rica didn't just beat Italy and Uruguay, they outplayed them.
England were outplayed by Italy and not clinical enough in a relatively even game against Uruguay.
You're not seriously telling me that Costa rica's players have that much more technical ability then England.
A difference that huge is down to the manager and their tactics
AFCISMYTEAM
When you look at the quality of player that England have had at their disposal (and their individual achievements/abilities) over the last 20+ years they have been as good as many of the foreign player’s they played alongside in their club sides.
Also any player will tell you that playing with better players improves an individual, rather than impairs their game.
MUDD
In England – nationally.
I'm sorry but i don't agree with that, every nation puts their team under intense pressure at the world cup
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not true.
As a Greece fan, the 'expectation' from greeks of the team heading into the world cup was to challenge for qualifying from the group. Nothing more, nothing less. And thats a team 2 positions below england in the world rankings.
I am fairly confident that the same would apply for at least 16 of the 32 teams at the world cup, if not 20.
The only nations which would expect more (i would expect) would be:
Brazil
Argentina
Holland
Germany
Spain
Portugal
Italy
France
Belgium (because of the group)
Bosnia (because of the group)
Russia (because of the group)
England's group was not easy. Italy is the typical Italy that theyve always been.
Uruguay have 2 world class players in perfect age and good form (cavanni and suarez) where as england have 1 and he doesnt turn up to world cups (rooney).
I suspect only Martin Samuel and some very naive individuals who harp on about 1966 and 'we have the best league so we must be good' thought England would coast through to the next round.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 28 minutes ago
You forgot to mention the hype from the media which makes some people think players are better than they actually are. Wilshere is a perfect example.
The transfer fees associated with English players is also excessive, and the clubs have to look after themselves, so they bring in talent from elsewhere who are equal or better than the overrated youngsters.
On what planet for instance does an 18 year old LB cost £30m for instance. Think about all the transfers that have happened in the prem involving english players and the extortionate price tags, its no wonder people cannot be arséd wasting money on a lot of them.
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How can a players transfer fee have any effect on how they perform for their national team?
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
MUDD
Futsal was implemented and administered by the FA in 2008.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Futsal needs to become much more prevalent in schools etc.
Kids will become much more skillful.
Its no coincidence that Futsal is so popular in Spain.
"Overrated”
England have utilised some of the best managers in world football, yet time and again failed to perform. IMO England could have Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho, all at the helm and would make little difference.
Each and every tournament England play in constant (daily) reminders of 1966, Bobby Moore, Hurst etc etc and ‘this’ is going to be the year to win it – irrespective of professional opinion, England are always expected to win.
This year Hodgson began by stating that to get out of the group would be an achievement and his due to intense media speculation and pressure in latter interviews was advocating that England (if they performed) could be in contention to win the WC. While being optimistic about his team’s chances is not a bad thing, IMO a degree of caution and restraint would have been better served in alleviating some of the massive pressure on the players.
When you look at the quality of player that England have had at their disposal (and their individual achievements/abilities) over the last 20+ years they have been as good as many of the foreign player’s they played alongside in their club sides.
Also any player will tell you that playing with better players improves an individual, rather than impairs their game.
------------------------------------------------------
True, it's one of those questions that can never be down to one certain thing.
But also, the lack of a world class striker, who would bury the one chance they had is massive handicap in a world cup too.
Listen we are not at a crisis point or anywhere near that. I see the excuses in every media outlet and it makes me sick. Just because little steven has not played every level of age bracket at a certain standard had no affect on bad tactics, bad decisions and bad form for england in this world cup. Its a disgrace to suggest the fault lies anywhere else other than with the management (second highest wage at the world cup in hodgson) I reckon a confidence man like redknapp or rodgers would of got the best of gerrard,rooney,etc.
If we could improve in this country it would be to have more coaches, the standard is perfectly fine. I have coached in scotland and the standard of youth football and womens football is significantly improving because of more coaches getting into small villages and teaching. My kids were losing 9-0 every game when I got there, when I left they were losing 5-4 but there was improvement through consistent coaching every week rain,snow whatever. A few youngsters had trials with Falkirk,celtic,aberdeen despite getting thrashed every week.
We simply need more coaches so everyone can become involved. But there is no excuse at the top end of the game for a lack of success more money is spent than the majority of countries.
England managers almost to a man have all done the same thing.
Pick the best 11 individuals and try to form them into a team by playing players out of position.Until England managers start picking 11 players that could work as a team together rather than the best 11 we have at out disposal then we'll always be in the position of watching England players playing like 11 strangers
Its a disgrace to suggest the fault lies anywhere else other than with the management (second highest wage at the world cup in hodgson) I reckon a confidence man like redknapp or rodgers would of got the best of gerrard,rooney,etc.
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You can't blame Hodgson for Gerrard still thinking he's playing for LFC and setting Suarez up with ten mins to go.
"comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 21 seconds ago
Its a disgrace to suggest the fault lies anywhere else other than with the management (second highest wage at the world cup in hodgson) I reckon a confidence man like redknapp or rodgers would of got the best of gerrard,rooney,etc.
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You can't blame Hodgson for Gerrard still thinking he's playing for LFC and setting Suarez up with ten mins to go.
"
You can't but it's naïve to think that one mistake not occurring would have solved all of England's problems
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posted on 23/6/14
The same arguments in relation to England’s failings have been raised now for 20+ years.
IMO the level of coaching is fine (for about 10yrs anyway) however the number of professional coaches in England compared to other countries is miniscule.
While it is difficult to pin point one single “failing” (there are many) I believe the foremost reason for England’s shortcomings is the colossal pressure placed on the players to perform which adversely affects the application of coaching/preparation and their ability to produce when it matters.
posted on 23/6/14
I believe the foremost reason for England’s shortcomings is the colossal pressure placed on the players to perform which adversely affects the application of coaching/preparation and their ability to produce when it matters.
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I'm sorry but i don't agree with that, every nation puts their team under intense pressure at the world cup, this year, our players were under the least pressure they have ever had at a world cup and still dissappointed. Most of the players have not ever played at the top level, eg champs league, so how do you expect them to beat the best of the best when most of them haven't played the best around.
posted on 23/6/14
You forgot to mention the hype from the media which makes some people think players are better than they actually are. Wilshere is a perfect example.
The transfer fees associated with English players is also excessive, and the clubs have to look after themselves, so they bring in talent from elsewhere who are equal or better than the overrated youngsters.
On what planet for instance does an 18 year old LB cost £30m for instance. Think about all the transfers that have happened in the prem involving english players and the extortionate price tags, its no wonder people cannot be arséd wasting money on a lot of them.
posted on 23/6/14
I feel the problems lies in Grass roots football.
The way children are brought up, the type of training they have, tthe emphasis on winning at such an early age.
Unless this is changed, we will struggle to find good technical English players.
posted on 23/6/14
AFCISMYTEAM
When compared to other nations England are on another level – specifically in respect to condemnation of the players and micro analysing and demanding the team delivers; “England expects.”
While media focus is also huge elsewhere there seems to be more of a unity (between what is expected and can be achieved). When players that constantly deliver for their club teams time and again fail to perform for England, questions need to be asked why this happens.
It certainly has nothing to do with ability or coaching.
posted on 23/6/14
Futsal would be a great place to start
posted on 23/6/14
On what planet for instance does an 18 year old LB cost £30m for instance.
-------------------------------------
Only in the PL sadly and that is why none of our overpriced and overhyped players play abroad.
posted on 23/6/14
MUDD
Futsal was implemented and administered by the FA in 2008.
posted on 23/6/14
On what planet for instance does an 18 year old LB cost £30m for instance.
-------------------------------------
Only in the PL sadly and that is why none of our overpriced and overhyped players play abroad.
_________
And also that't the reason why people start expecting player to be world beater..Shaw?? guy had no clue what to do in a friendly game, let alone actual WC match.
posted on 23/6/14
When players that constantly deliver for their club teams time and again fail to perform for England, questions need to be asked why this happens.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I really believe that for years, our players have been riding with the best foreign players, which make them look better, and makes us expect them do well at international level, when you take that foreign superstar out of their team, they look average. England midfield and attack was more or less LFC without Suarez, and look how well we done.
posted on 23/6/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
MUDD
Futsal was implemented and administered by the FA in 2008.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Implemented where my good man?
posted on 23/6/14
in the end the maths on 5k per week or 10k per week as a total unproven reserve (never mind bench wamrer) cannot be ignored
it is better than the lottery isn't it?
5k x 52 = 260k per year prior to tax
10k per week = double it obviously.
If you get paid 20k per week you in effect become a millionaire after one year so I can certainly see the issue
Lets just use one example
Conor Coady. former england u20 captain (where at u20 worlds england flopped)
Is REPUTEDLY on 7500 per week or thereabouts.
now all he's done is done and played league 1 and his club got a bit of a cup run.... Its what 10-15 years since that was a good wage for a senior pro but now kids are getting it!!!
posted on 23/6/14
Another issue I'd add to this is that none of the players who are either part of the England team or on the verges of it play in another country, they all play in England. People moan about the influx of foreigners into the premier league but the question should be asked as to why there's so little of the other way around.
I really think that players would benefit from the experience and learning they'd get by playing in leagues in other countries and as long as they aren't England are going to be missing something crucial to their make-up.
posted on 23/6/14
Look, Costa rica didn't just beat Italy and Uruguay, they outplayed them.
England were outplayed by Italy and not clinical enough in a relatively even game against Uruguay.
You're not seriously telling me that Costa rica's players have that much more technical ability then England.
A difference that huge is down to the manager and their tactics
posted on 23/6/14
AFCISMYTEAM
When you look at the quality of player that England have had at their disposal (and their individual achievements/abilities) over the last 20+ years they have been as good as many of the foreign player’s they played alongside in their club sides.
Also any player will tell you that playing with better players improves an individual, rather than impairs their game.
MUDD
In England – nationally.
posted on 23/6/14
I'm sorry but i don't agree with that, every nation puts their team under intense pressure at the world cup
=================
not true.
As a Greece fan, the 'expectation' from greeks of the team heading into the world cup was to challenge for qualifying from the group. Nothing more, nothing less. And thats a team 2 positions below england in the world rankings.
I am fairly confident that the same would apply for at least 16 of the 32 teams at the world cup, if not 20.
The only nations which would expect more (i would expect) would be:
Brazil
Argentina
Holland
Germany
Spain
Portugal
Italy
France
Belgium (because of the group)
Bosnia (because of the group)
Russia (because of the group)
England's group was not easy. Italy is the typical Italy that theyve always been.
Uruguay have 2 world class players in perfect age and good form (cavanni and suarez) where as england have 1 and he doesnt turn up to world cups (rooney).
I suspect only Martin Samuel and some very naive individuals who harp on about 1966 and 'we have the best league so we must be good' thought England would coast through to the next round.
posted on 23/6/14
Media
Negative fans
posted on 23/6/14
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 28 minutes ago
You forgot to mention the hype from the media which makes some people think players are better than they actually are. Wilshere is a perfect example.
The transfer fees associated with English players is also excessive, and the clubs have to look after themselves, so they bring in talent from elsewhere who are equal or better than the overrated youngsters.
On what planet for instance does an 18 year old LB cost £30m for instance. Think about all the transfers that have happened in the prem involving english players and the extortionate price tags, its no wonder people cannot be arséd wasting money on a lot of them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can a players transfer fee have any effect on how they perform for their national team?
posted on 23/6/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
MUDD
Futsal was implemented and administered by the FA in 2008.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Futsal needs to become much more prevalent in schools etc.
Kids will become much more skillful.
Its no coincidence that Futsal is so popular in Spain.
posted on 23/6/14
"Overrated”
England have utilised some of the best managers in world football, yet time and again failed to perform. IMO England could have Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho, all at the helm and would make little difference.
Each and every tournament England play in constant (daily) reminders of 1966, Bobby Moore, Hurst etc etc and ‘this’ is going to be the year to win it – irrespective of professional opinion, England are always expected to win.
This year Hodgson began by stating that to get out of the group would be an achievement and his due to intense media speculation and pressure in latter interviews was advocating that England (if they performed) could be in contention to win the WC. While being optimistic about his team’s chances is not a bad thing, IMO a degree of caution and restraint would have been better served in alleviating some of the massive pressure on the players.
posted on 23/6/14
When you look at the quality of player that England have had at their disposal (and their individual achievements/abilities) over the last 20+ years they have been as good as many of the foreign player’s they played alongside in their club sides.
Also any player will tell you that playing with better players improves an individual, rather than impairs their game.
------------------------------------------------------
True, it's one of those questions that can never be down to one certain thing.
But also, the lack of a world class striker, who would bury the one chance they had is massive handicap in a world cup too.
posted on 23/6/14
Listen we are not at a crisis point or anywhere near that. I see the excuses in every media outlet and it makes me sick. Just because little steven has not played every level of age bracket at a certain standard had no affect on bad tactics, bad decisions and bad form for england in this world cup. Its a disgrace to suggest the fault lies anywhere else other than with the management (second highest wage at the world cup in hodgson) I reckon a confidence man like redknapp or rodgers would of got the best of gerrard,rooney,etc.
If we could improve in this country it would be to have more coaches, the standard is perfectly fine. I have coached in scotland and the standard of youth football and womens football is significantly improving because of more coaches getting into small villages and teaching. My kids were losing 9-0 every game when I got there, when I left they were losing 5-4 but there was improvement through consistent coaching every week rain,snow whatever. A few youngsters had trials with Falkirk,celtic,aberdeen despite getting thrashed every week.
We simply need more coaches so everyone can become involved. But there is no excuse at the top end of the game for a lack of success more money is spent than the majority of countries.
posted on 23/6/14
England managers almost to a man have all done the same thing.
Pick the best 11 individuals and try to form them into a team by playing players out of position.Until England managers start picking 11 players that could work as a team together rather than the best 11 we have at out disposal then we'll always be in the position of watching England players playing like 11 strangers
posted on 23/6/14
Its a disgrace to suggest the fault lies anywhere else other than with the management (second highest wage at the world cup in hodgson) I reckon a confidence man like redknapp or rodgers would of got the best of gerrard,rooney,etc.
------------------------------------------------------------
You can't blame Hodgson for Gerrard still thinking he's playing for LFC and setting Suarez up with ten mins to go.
posted on 23/6/14
"comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 21 seconds ago
Its a disgrace to suggest the fault lies anywhere else other than with the management (second highest wage at the world cup in hodgson) I reckon a confidence man like redknapp or rodgers would of got the best of gerrard,rooney,etc.
------------------------------------------------------------
You can't blame Hodgson for Gerrard still thinking he's playing for LFC and setting Suarez up with ten mins to go.
"
You can't but it's naïve to think that one mistake not occurring would have solved all of England's problems
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