The gap should/could have been better if United weren't winning league trophy after league trophy the last 10 years. Fair play to United, they stopped us from becoming a dominant force the last 10 years, although Abromovich did't help with his trigger finger on managers, but he is the reason we are where we are. However now with United out the picture and no one like Fergie around to challenge Mourinho, we should be the dominant force in the League over the next 10 seasons or so.

ROMAN ABRAMOVICH and his OIL MONEY -

There are also huge gaps between United, Barca and Real Madrid.. maybe it just comes down to which clubs are better at international marketing...

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Wait, you expect a club's fanbase to be about forty million lower than expected because they haven't been in the Champions League for five years?

I was criticising people who throw around the word "gloryhunter" but I think me and you might have a different definition of the word "fan".
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ermmm you are not bright are you...?

Football'c global expansion is a fairly recent thing, if a team has not won their domestic league for over 25 years and been out of the leading comp for several then how will it capture that growth

by all means write to this company and challenge their findings....

Clearly they are not highly regarded

http://www.repucom.net/go/
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Nah I'm a thicko me.

Yes but you brought up the CL. Them not winning the league in my lifetime does not mean Liverpool aren't a big club. They will have won a lot of fans in Istanbul, for example. Not to mention that they've competed for titles often enough.

Football's expansion into globalisation may be fairly recent, but the gap seems weird.
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The claim was not whether Liverpool is a big club, but that their global fanbase is 71m.

Yet another user on this forum who does not read posts correctly, but knee jerks to what he/she thinks has been posted.
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You expect a big club to have a big fanbase. I expect Liverpool to have a bigger fanbase.

Can you at least *try* to talk to me in a way that is not intentionally over-adversarial?

Titanic the largest moving man-made object, Chelsea can't even go in the sea even if sea in their name.

Liverpool are still in the top ten with a fanbase of 71m, surely that qualifies them as a big club...

still no answer to the biggest club in fulham?

Can you at least *try* to talk to me in a way that is not intentionally over-adversarial?
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You had the balls to write this after your opening gambit was and I quote

" I was criticising people who throw around the word "gloryhunter" but I think me and you might have a different definition of the word "fan".


you reap what you so.....and if you want to start a debate in sanctimonious fashion then deal with the likely outcome...

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Liverpool are still in the top ten with a fanbase of 71m, surely that qualifies them as a big club...
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Yes but as one of the classic "big four" you would expect them to have a similar presence in terms of fanbase. Although Chelsea have won three league titles over the last decade, they haven't done enough to explain pulling away from Arsenal, who had similar accomplishments a few years earlier. And you wouldn't expect them to also have nearly double the fans of Liverpool.

Something is amiss with those stats. I want to know how they're collected. Like I say, I was never asked. Were you? Was anybody reading this?

You are using that term classic big 4 as though is has global significance......it does not as the survey proves.....

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Can you at least *try* to talk to me in a way that is not intentionally over-adversarial?
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You had the balls to write this after your opening gambit was and I quote

" I was criticising people who throw around the word "gloryhunter" but I think me and you might have a different definition of the word "fan".


you reap what you so.....and if you want to start a debate in sanctimonious fashion then deal with the likely outcome...
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In reference to the suggestion that they'd drop millions of fans in five years of being out of the CL. You brought that up, along with the league, as a factor and I was incredulous at that. More reasonable than you make out. And don't call me sanctimonious. I wasn't being that at all.

And why are you so intent in solely equating success on the pitch to size of global fan base.....this is a marketing survey and the size of the global fanbase reflects the club;s success at global marketing more than anything else...

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Can you at least *try* to talk to me in a way that is not intentionally over-adversarial?
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You had the balls to write this after your opening gambit was and I quote

" I was criticising people who throw around the word "gloryhunter" but I think me and you might have a different definition of the word "fan".


you reap what you so.....and if you want to start a debate in sanctimonious fashion then deal with the likely outcome...
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In reference to the suggestion that they'd drop millions of fans in five years of being out of the CL. You brought that up, along with the league, as a factor and I was incredulous at that. More reasonable than you make out. And don't call me sanctimonious. I wasn't being that at all.
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I was not suggesting they would drop fans, but they would not gain new fans in comparison to more successful and higher profile clubs in the last 15 years......

Liverpool market extremely well though, so I'm not sure how that changes anything.

maybe they do, but according to this leading sports marketing agency, not as well as some other clubs....if the claim is so dubious then there will without doubt be other surveys out there saying so....

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Can you at least *try* to talk to me in a way that is not intentionally over-adversarial?
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You had the balls to write this after your opening gambit was and I quote

" I was criticising people who throw around the word "gloryhunter" but I think me and you might have a different definition of the word "fan".


you reap what you so.....and if you want to start a debate in sanctimonious fashion then deal with the likely outcome...
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In reference to the suggestion that they'd drop millions of fans in five years of being out of the CL. You brought that up, along with the league, as a factor and I was incredulous at that. More reasonable than you make out. And don't call me sanctimonious. I wasn't being that at all.
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I was not suggesting they would drop fans, but they would not gain new fans in comparison to more successful and higher profile clubs in the last 15 years......
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Fair enough. Nonetheless, as part of that big four their success was comparable with the other three. You don't only win fans when you win things but also when you compete well. They also won the Champions League during this time and one the EUFA cup too.

Liverpool were successful in a period when football was not globally marketed extensively.

United and Chelsea have been successful during a period when football has been globally marketed....for me it comes as no surprise that Liverpool are way off these two...............what does surprise me is that Arsenal have indeed managed to have such a large global fanbase and credit to them for doing so, it proves they have some great marketing talent at the club.

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still no answer to the biggest club in fulham?
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Someone's been Googling

comment by SWTN Biggish (U7916)
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Liverpool were successful in a period when football was not globally marketed extensively.

United and Chelsea have been successful during a period when football has been globally marketed....for me it comes as no surprise that Liverpool are way off these two...............what does surprise me is that Arsenal have indeed managed to have such a large global fanbase and credit to them for doing so, it proves they have some great marketing talent at the club.
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Football was globally marketed from the nineties. That was the point of the Premier League. I'm not sure what distinction you're drawing there. Yes the sums involved in the game grew dramatically after Abramovich tipped the playing field, but the game was being marketed to the world before that.

Of course Arsenal have a large fanbase. Our presence in Africa can be traced largely to Kanu and our French Africans such as Vieira. But we are also a historically huge domestic club and we were incredibly competitive before we moved to the Emirates.

the absolute hack of this thread. A bunch of sad muppets arguing nonsense like a bunch of auld wans

this debate shows the lack of class and intelligence London fans have

It may have started in the 90s, but it did not really crescendo till well into the naughties.....just look at club's pre season tours in the 90s versus their tours post millenium...

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the absolute hack of this thread. A bunch of sad muppets arguing nonsense like a bunch of auld wans

this debate shows the lack of class and intelligence London fans have
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Scotland

comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
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comment by SWTN Biggish (U7916)
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Liverpool were successful in a period when football was not globally marketed extensively.

United and Chelsea have been successful during a period when football has been globally marketed....for me it comes as no surprise that Liverpool are way off these two...............what does surprise me is that Arsenal have indeed managed to have such a large global fanbase and credit to them for doing so, it proves they have some great marketing talent at the club.
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Football was globally marketed from the nineties. That was the point of the Premier League. I'm not sure what distinction you're drawing there. Yes the sums involved in the game grew dramatically after Abramovich tipped the playing field, but the game was being marketed to the world before that.

Of course Arsenal have a large fanbase. Our presence in Africa can be traced largely to Kanu and our French Africans such as Vieira. But we are also a historically huge domestic club and we were incredibly competitive before we moved to the Emirates.
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And similar arguments can be made for Liverpool, but the figures suggest otherwise, which brings me back to the point that there are many other factors at play in growing a global fanbase....it is more to do with marketing strategy than anything else

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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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the absolute hack of this thread. A bunch of sad muppets arguing nonsense like a bunch of auld wans

this debate shows the lack of class and intelligence London fans have
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What by discussing findings in report by a leading sports marketing company...............sorry, we must be dunces...