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Science demands proof. Religious doctrine demands only belief. That is the fundamental difference.
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See I disagree with this and for me it highlights why the religious and anti can never have a sensible dialogue (and I don't mean you here general comment)

Religion has been destroyed by priests/rabbis/imam's who due to their own deficiencies don't allow questioning yet religion itself, on closer inspection, says question before you commit ie be sure

I won't go into details but the Muslim shahadah/attestation to faith starts with "LA" meaning no. Many people will know this and the while phrase but the meaning is more than the translation.

The explanation of that one word at the start tells you yo question, to research, to be sure
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That's me showing my ignorance of religious matters apologies.

Allow me to rephrase:

Science demands proof. Large parts of religious doctrine require belief. That is the fundamental difference.
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No need for apologies mate. Good conversation doesn't need it

I.am speaking from an Islamic perspective and early scholars always pushed belief to be based on proof. They never stopped questioning

I have always felt that religion gets the stick it does because those who claim or are seen as the purveyors/bastions etc of religion are responsible for its mockery today

Robb Jimmy,

I didn't say you are responsible for others. You made a general point that giving money was the good bit and as a result of good intention. I merely pointed that's nonsense

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And I'd imagine if life was an exam, just being a decent person would be enough for an A+

Praying and spending your day giving thanks to a god is not anywhere near as important as just being decent and nice.
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Who defines what is decent?

You think, for example, giving money to a charity that takes 98% of the money to pay its managers is decent?
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The giving of the money is the good bit

The intent
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There are plenty of examples where people have been exposed for giving in charity for personal gain... so how on earth do you know someone's intent??? Again, no human knows another humans intention merely by an action. Trumpy got exposed for his "charitable" activities... stop being a simpleton
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Why am I responsible for other people's intent?

I'm talking about myself and what I know is decent.

I can see why you believe in a god because you seem obsessed with having some big eye in the sky watching over everyone's intent.

We all should just be as good as we can be to others. If not, that's on you and how you can live with it.
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What you see as decent and I see as decent doesn't make it any more or less so

Hence why we need an entity to define it so

comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
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Robb Jimmy,

I didn't say you are responsible for others. You made a general point that giving money was the good bit and as a result of good intention. I merely pointed that's nonsense
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I wasn't talking about a one size fits all situation

Just examples of what people intend as a good thing being enough to pass this 'test' you guys talk of

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comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
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comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
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Not sure these days science doesn't have a socio political agenda tbh
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It has socio political goals, but not the agenda. Again, for the most part. I'm sure higher up the chain, where budgetary decisions are made, politics comes into it more and more... But the science itself can't have an agenda.
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My kid is a student scientist and tbh its all agendas from early on

No one wants to rock the boat and those that di are alienated and slated and presented as having no credibility
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I'm sorry that that is his experience. Can I ask what field he is studying in?

I may have been lucky, but it was very different when I was studying and researching (theoretical physics). From day one at uni, we were actively encouraged to challenge, and challenge, and challenge. Teaching staff were always citing the likes of Newton, Galileo, Einstein and Hawking, who, like just about every physicist bringing revolutionary ideas to and change in their science, were all ridiculed as lunatics or similar at some point in their careers.

But this is what the scientific method is. Ibn al-Haytham was banging on about the need for experimental data and reproducibility of results a thousand years ago:

Test it, test it again, find a new way to test it, test it again. Find a new, better theory, and test that against the old one. Can't test it? Can't prove it? Then bin it, it's no good.

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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Science doesn't have all the answers to the mysteries of the universe. But scientists are happy to say they don't know all the answers. But what we have learnt in the past 100 years is quite amazing.
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Give me the top 3 things you have learnt through science in the last 100 years that aren't alluded to in any religion?

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Science demands proof. Religious doctrine demands only belief. That is the fundamental difference.
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See I disagree with this and for me it highlights why the religious and anti can never have a sensible dialogue (and I don't mean you here general comment)

Religion has been destroyed by priests/rabbis/imam's who due to their own deficiencies don't allow questioning yet religion itself, on closer inspection, says question before you commit ie be sure

I won't go into details but the Muslim shahadah/attestation to faith starts with "LA" meaning no. Many people will know this and the while phrase but the meaning is more than the translation.

The explanation of that one word at the start tells you yo question, to research, to be sure
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That's me showing my ignorance of religious matters apologies.

Allow me to rephrase:

Science demands proof. Large parts of religious doctrine require belief. That is the fundamental difference.
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No need for apologies mate. Good conversation doesn't need it

I.am speaking from an Islamic perspective and early scholars always pushed belief to be based on proof. They never stopped questioning

I have always felt that religion gets the stick it does because those who claim or are seen as the purveyors/bastions etc of religion are responsible for its mockery today
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Doesn't need it but it helps. humility is a most admirable quality.

In the west, most early scientists were also "men of the cloth". Arguably one of the most important scientists of the last 150 years was a German monk who also happened to be a lazy gardener and what was the result? the entire basis for the field of genetics as we know it. Thank you Gergor Mendel.

Religion and science used to go hand in hand. Only fell apart in the last 75 years.
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I would have said a little longer but I agree with the conclusion

I think it has been a mixture of reasons and religious institutions are just as much to blame for it I'd not more so

Stopping of questioning being a major one.

In Islam there is a concept LA haya fiddeen, which some would say is translated as " there is no shyness in the religion" but for me it means more ie no limits in questioning

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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Science doesn't have all the answers to the mysteries of the universe. But scientists are happy to say they don't know all the answers. But what we have learnt in the past 100 years is quite amazing.
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Give me the top 3 things you have learnt through science in the last 100 years that aren't alluded to in any religion?
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The most important scientific discoveries of the last 100 years for me, in no particular order and for very different reasons, are:

- The discovery of the quantum realm and the formation of our early ideas about what it is and how it works

- The discovery of the double helical structure of DNA, triggering the transition to molecular genetics

- The discovery of the impact of post-industrial human activity on the global climate

Just as it hit interesting need to go

Boilers packed in

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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Science doesn't have all the answers to the mysteries of the universe. But scientists are happy to say they don't know all the answers. But what we have learnt in the past 100 years is quite amazing.
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Give me the top 3 things you have learnt through science in the last 100 years that aren't alluded to in any religion?
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The most important scientific discoveries of the last 100 years for me, in no particular order and for very different reasons, are:

- The discovery of the quantum realm and the formation of our early ideas about what it is and how it works

- The discovery of the double helical structure of DNA, triggering the transition to molecular genetics

- The discovery of the impact of post-industrial human activity on the global climate
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Just realised the discovery of the quantum realm was more than 100 years ago (Einstein's paper on the photoelectric effect was 1905).

Pess poor effort for a guy with a degree in theoretical physics who also studied the history and philosophy of science for a year

Anyone know about boilers and PCB

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comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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Science doesn't have all the answers to the mysteries of the universe. But scientists are happy to say they don't know all the answers. But what we have learnt in the past 100 years is quite amazing.
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Give me the top 3 things you have learnt through science in the last 100 years that aren't alluded to in any religion?
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The most important scientific discoveries of the last 100 years for me, in no particular order and for very different reasons, are:

- The discovery of the quantum realm and the formation of our early ideas about what it is and how it works

- The discovery of the double helical structure of DNA, triggering the transition to molecular genetics

- The discovery of the impact of post-industrial human activity on the global climate
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Just realised the discovery of the quantum realm was more than 100 years ago (Einstein's paper on the photoelectric effect was 1905).

Pess poor effort for a guy with a degree in theoretical physics who also studied the history and philosophy of science for a year
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comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
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Anyone know about boilers and PCB

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Boilers - no idea.

Pcb - Pakistan cricket board.... corrupt bastrds

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Anyone know about boilers and PCB

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I know they are a pain in the arris, and little more than that.

Good luck mate!

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comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
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Anyone know about boilers and PCB

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Yeah mate. Grab a hammer and start banging away. That should sort it

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Anyone know about boilers and PCB
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Is that a daterape drug for older women?

Fact me this thread's gone a little of topic.

Anyone know the latest? Really keen to find out what happened to that guys charger

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Anyone know the latest? Really keen to find out what happened to that guys charger
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Same here bud but I think the girl took it home and Manfrombelmonty is too scared to ask for it back.