Every Palestinian killed since 48 can be blamed on what they claim to be religion

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As well as the British diplomatic corp at the time via Yitzhak Shamirs Stern gang.

Yitzhak Shamir because prime minister of Israel and visited Britain as head of state plenty of times.

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
You can complain about the UK and it's citizens but we can peacefully protest and elect new governments. Something that is not possible in many other countries.
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When did I say anything about the citizens?????

I am a citizen and so are my family.

Tell me where did I say anything about citizens or civilians in Britain and America being to blame? JUST ONCE?

This is what drives me up the wall, your mind is already made up so it makes things up.

I have only ever blamed Western GOVERNMENTS or MILITARY.

I have even said that at least twice on this thread and then you go and say that.

If you took any notice of what I said you'ed realise that people can't vote in some Arab countries because we don't let them.

Who voted in Saddam? The CIA and MI5.

The big 2000 is approaching.

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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You can complain about the UK and it's citizens but we can peacefully protest and elect new governments. Something that is not possible in many other countries.
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When did I say anything about the citizens?????

I am a citizen and so are my family.

Tell me where did I say anything about citizens or civilians in Britain and America being to blame? JUST ONCE?

This is what drives me up the wall, your mind is already made up so it makes things up.

I have only ever blamed Western GOVERNMENTS or MILITARY.

I have even said that at least twice on this thread and then you go and say that.

If you took any notice of what I said you'ed realise that people can't vote in some Arab countries because we don't let them.

Who voted in Saddam? The CIA and MI5.
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I am not here to defend the US but I'll repeat we elect our government and can change that government. This is the big difference between us and many other countries.
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I honestly don't know where I'm supposed to go with that, I don't think it has anything to do with my point of double standards.

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comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 43 minutes ago
Problem is these threads always end up in some kind of Muslim/Christian, Israel/Palestine, Religious/Non Religious petty squabble

When the real issue is Evil people killing innocent people, what's worrying too is when you occasionally see posters making excuses or justifying the actions of psychopaths by citing British foreign policy etc
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Agree with the majority of that.. but two point;

1- no one has justified any acts of terrorism on here in these debates

2- if you want a serious debate about terrorism then you have to talk global.. and you also have to talk about foreign policy. If you think our foreign policy has or has not had any links to what's happening in the world today I suggest you read and do some research. Alternatively, if indicates you have no real desire to tackle the subject objectively or maturely.
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There's ways and means of protesting foreign policy if you have a gripe with it, a number of these people committing these crimes are born and bred here and probably never been to the countries that British foreign policy is supposedly having an effect on, low self esteem and an inability to fit into society would be nearer to the mark I'd wager
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Spot on with that one
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Nobody is making excuses or justifying terrorism like what we have seen this past week in London.

Literally every Muslim on JA recognises that terrorism by other so called Muslims is abhorrent.

The squabbles and debates centering around "Muslim/Christian, Israel/Palestine, Religious/Non Religious" resonates from doubles standards.

I can recognise people like Bin Laden and Daesh etc as being bad which is why I try my best to discredit them using religious text.

I can also recognise that the British military and American military have killed so many innocent civilians, the current leader of Al Qaeda can only have wet dreams about it.

I am able to recognise both as bad things but what nationalists would prefer is to pretend that Britain is a force for good and that the current condition of the Middle East isn't down to almost 100 years of western illegal coups, illegal occupation, illegal wars, pillaging of resources and installing of puppet tyrants.

People complain about people Saddam Hussein being a cu*t and they complain that he gassed the Kurds, blaming it all on him being a Muslim.

The moment you point out that the coup that gave him power in 1963 was helped along by Britain and America, the moment you tell them that the chemical weapons that killed the kurds were created with the of Britain/America and the moment you tell them that Saddam's Baathist party was a SECULAR party and not an Islamic one, it some how signals some kind of support for what happened in London??? WTF?

An absolutely disgusting accusation to make by the way.


CIA and Saddam

https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/169/36408.html

Saddams chemical weapons and America

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/medsearch/FocusAreas/riegle_report/riegle_report_main.html

More on Western assistance for Saddam

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/revealed-how-the-west-set-saddam-on-the-bloody-road-to-power-1258618.html

How Britain helped Saddam

http://acikradyo.com.tr/arsiv-icerigi/how-britain-helped-saddam-power

Britain and America helped Saddam with chemical weapons

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm


Then you often hear that Islam is the only religion today that has this problem of religious terrorism ignoring the multiple instances of "religious" terrorism in the world today.

So called Jews (I prefer to call them zionists) have built a world of terror for Palestinians because they say God gave them Palestinian land.

Every Palestinian killed since 48 can be blamed on what they claim to be religion.

The whole thing reeks of double standards.

Muslims and Atheists can agree on that on here, but notice how the atheists who recognise western tyranny on here as well as that of "Muslims" are men of reason... scientists...

The Atheists on here who blame everything on religion are the same ones who quickly google "kill infidels" to find a sentence out of context in the Quran and then call it research.

Either recognise that civilians in the Middle East recognise our illegal wars as terrorism or recognise that you are the terrorist sympathiser.


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Booooom.

Hit nail on the head with this. Cannot see anyone disagreeing with this regardless of race religion beliefs.. factually spot on

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
You can complain about the UK and it's citizens but we can peacefully protest and elect new governments. Something that is not possible in many other countries.
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When did I say anything about the citizens?????

I am a citizen and so are my family.

Tell me where did I say anything about citizens or civilians in Britain and America being to blame? JUST ONCE?

This is what drives me up the wall, your mind is already made up so it makes things up.

I have only ever blamed Western GOVERNMENTS or MILITARY.

I have even said that at least twice on this thread and then you go and say that.

If you took any notice of what I said you'ed realise that people can't vote in some Arab countries because we don't let them.

Who voted in Saddam? The CIA and MI5.
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I am not here to defend the US but I'll repeat we elect our government and can change that government. This is the big difference between us and many other countries.
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I honestly don't know where I'm supposed to go with that, I don't think it has anything to do with my point of double standards.
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You blame the West for it's actions but the biggest problem to me is non democratic countries and Muslims seeing every fight involving Muslims as their fight where ever country they come from.
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Islam is democratic, a Khilafah can only be given power through the consensus of Muslims.

It's just not western brand of democracy which you are used to, which is being pushed on people all around the world.

Who said they wanted it?

One of the most important things a human being can possess is self determination. A person should be able to choose what ever system they want to live under.

My point is Arabs can't because of our interference, how can a country have western style democracy or the Islamic kind or become communist or ruled by a Monarchy if we won't allow them to have self determination?

I will fight for the rights of people in any country if they are oppressed. I'm only vocal about the rights of Muslims and Arabs on here because these are the topics that are constantly brought up.

I don't write these articles, other people do.

If somebody were to write about what the west has done in South America then I'd be sticking up for Christian south American.

The same goes for south east Asia.

I think it's pretty disgusting to categorise people on different levels of importance. The people in South America suffering are just as important to me as British people in my own town suffering.

That's why I'm not a nationalist, a human being is a human being but people are often seen as statistics because they don't live in your country.

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
'I will fight for the rights of people in any country if they are oppressed. I'm only vocal about the rights of Muslims and Arabs on here because these are the topics that are constantly brought up.'

Sorry I find that disingenuous. There are few here that have Palestinian epithets on here. Why? Because they are Muslim.
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No they are also Christian, Bethlehem on it's own is 80% Christian. These Christian Palestinians have been murdered by the IDF just as much as the Muslim Palestinians. They are brothers and if the Muslims don't have anywhere to pray because there local mosque was blown up the Christians allow them space in their churches and vice verser.

"This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them.
Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
The Muslims are to fight for them.
If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."

The Prophet I profess to believe in told Muslims to care for Christians and my Quran tells me to care for humanity.

I also have sympathy for Jews who have had their names dragged through the mud because they are considered one and the same as the zionists in Israel.

I have marched with these Jews plenty of times.

http://www.ijan.org/

You find it disingenuous because you are uneducated about how Muslims feel, beyond what the press tell you.

I willing to bet you have no close Muslim friends?

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Sorry I find that disingenuous. There are few here that have Palestinian epithets on here. Why? Because they are Muslim.

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Says the ignorant..

Ignorant to the fact that the first Christians on the planet were Palestinians, and their progeny continue to be.

What a facking moron overlooks that.. really? Think Bethlehem was transplanted from part of Europe..

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't need to give me lectures. I have been to Bethlehem, Nazareth and Jerusalem.
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Don't talk to me about sophistication, I've BEEN to Leeds


Who said that?

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Fack me do folk not learn how these threads go

haha, classic

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
This anger with Western policy is the reason we see the extremists commit acts of terror around Europe. But the anger is widespread amongst Muslims who are politically engaged. All the acts of violence get nowhere and nothing is achieved.
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You are right the reason extremists commit acts of terror IS because of anger towards western policy, I'm happy you agree with that.

You'll find the ones committing these acts are small in number and know little about religion.

One of the attackers in Paris was found drinking a bottle of whisky after murdering people. A few drinks before going to paradise eh?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-terror-mastermind-of-attacks-seen-drinking-outside-saint-denis-flat-after-atrocities-witnesses-a6741441.html

One terrorist brought a Islam for dummies book before traveling to join Daesh.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/jihadist-radicalisation-islam-for-dummies_b_5697160.html

One terrorist was giving hand jobs out to blokes in a gay club before killing people... I mean how deep undercover do you have to go, these religious Muslims are really committed...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/14/orlando-gunman-was-a-regular-at-lgbt-nightclub-pulse-before-atta/

Muslims should be politically engaged because the only people being killed in their millions are Muslims.

Out of 1.5 billion Muslims it's still only a few tens of thousands that are causing the carnage, but as long as we stop interfering in the middle east that number will shrink and within the next 50 years we'll have a new bogey man.

Probably the Chinese.

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
haha, classic
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Sounds like something a terrorist would say.

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Can any of the scientist on here tell me if this is true?

https://instagram.com/p/BSFZ-2oBDp5/

The tension mounts as the milestone approaches

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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The happy gaffer pranks (U6283)
posted 18 seconds ago
Fack me do folk not learn how these threads go
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I know I keep saying I won't get involved but then it goes all religion and politics.

Btw I have been to the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome Of The Rock as well.
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What took you to Palestine? Just curious.... 👀

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