Rosso,
With all due respect mate, you've seen Tuanzebe put in more accomplished performances against kids than Darmian has against experience Premier League standard players. It's an impossible comparison because since the death of a genuine reserve league the level that our kids are blooded at prior to the first team is shocking.
Tuanzebe might be more talented than Darmian, but right now he's not nearly as good as him.
I can see the sense in Mourinho's decision today.
Jose doesn't owe anything to Darmian
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 seconds ago
Jose doesn't owe anything to Darmian
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He owes more to Darmian than he does to Tuanzebe because Darmian is someone who is in the first squad and who deserves respect for the career he's had.
He's a full international for Italy who should always have rank over a youth player
I actually disagree Robb. The better player - regardless of age and experience - should rank first.
That said, Darmian is the better player so it's moot.
Hmm, on reading my statement back I agree actually Lambeau.
I do think however that youth should never play for the sake of it like some people suggest.
Last season we had a lot of youth players thrown in and that cost them. I very much doubt McNair recovered in LVGs thinking after being destroyed for pace by Glenn Murray or the season before Blackett never really recovered after the 5-3. Not to mention Varela against Coutinho. I don't think he played another game for us after that.
Can't agree with you. Whether he is an international is neither he nor there. They are both Manchester United players, Jose's job is to pick the right player for the purpose, not because he owes something to one or the other.
Whether he made the best choice is impossible to say as obviously we can't compare.
Sorry Lambeau, typed before I read your comment
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
Whether he made the best choice is impossible to say as obviously we can't compare.
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this is true...and i don't watch united's reserves, so will gladly admit that rosso's/others' knowledge of the kids' talents are miles ahead of mine.
what slightly irks is that some posters on here - and i don't mean you or rosso fyi - will automatically assume that it wasn't the best choice...mainly because jose made it (!)
Robb, who suggests youth should be played for the sake of it.?
For myself I would like to to see make scouting and development a priority. To play two or three youth players in the league cup, and for the really exceptional ones, give them their debut when appropriate. Be it league or cup.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 57 seconds ago
Robb, who suggests youth should be played for the sake of it.?
For myself I would like to to see make scouting and development a priority. To play two or three youth players in the league cup, and for the really exceptional ones, give them their debut when appropriate. Be it league or cup.
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And I'm sure next season that will happen.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 56 minutes ago
Robb, who suggests youth should be played for the sake of it.?
For myself I would like to to see make scouting and development a priority. To play two or three youth players in the league cup, and for the really exceptional ones, give them their debut when appropriate. Be it league or cup.
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You want too much
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
Rosso,
With all due respect mate, you've seen Tuanzebe put in more accomplished performances against kids than Darmian has against experience Premier League standard players. It's an impossible comparison because since the death of a genuine reserve league the level that our kids are blooded at prior to the first team is shocking.
Tuanzebe might be more talented than Darmian, but right now he's not nearly as good as him.
I can see the sense in Mourinho's decision today.
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I can't see how you can say with certainty that Darmian is a better centreback than Tuanzebe.
comment by rossobianchi #EquipaLulaDaAlegria (U17054)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
Rosso,
With all due respect mate, you've seen Tuanzebe put in more accomplished performances against kids than Darmian has against experience Premier League standard players. It's an impossible comparison because since the death of a genuine reserve league the level that our kids are blooded at prior to the first team is shocking.
Tuanzebe might be more talented than Darmian, but right now he's not nearly as good as him.
I can see the sense in Mourinho's decision today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can't see how you can say with certainty that Darmian is a better centreback than Tuanzebe.
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I can't see how you can say with certainty that he is. All I'm saying is that I can understand why Mourinho erred on the side of caution.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi #EquipaLulaDaAlegria (U17054)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
Rosso,
With all due respect mate, you've seen Tuanzebe put in more accomplished performances against kids than Darmian has against experience Premier League standard players. It's an impossible comparison because since the death of a genuine reserve league the level that our kids are blooded at prior to the first team is shocking.
Tuanzebe might be more talented than Darmian, but right now he's not nearly as good as him.
I can see the sense in Mourinho's decision today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can't see how you can say with certainty that Darmian is a better centreback than Tuanzebe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can't see how you can say with certainty that he is. All I'm saying is that I can understand why Mourinho erred on the side of caution.
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As can I; I can understand the argument. It just doesn't agree with me.
I'd rather see him both put more faith in the youngsters, and take more risks. A large part of the reason people wanted rid of the poor old Dutchman was his safety-first, pragmatic and predictable approach.
I'd like to see a bit more of the old United spirit: pace, width, determination, the commitment of players to attacks, and faith in our Academy products,
For me the question is not whether the youngsters are better than the senior players, it is surely more about whether the youngsters - when fit and fresh - can do a job at Old Trafford when the senior players are "too tired" to perform.
If they aren't, then what is the point in having them...only to end up dropping points and then blaming fatigue for another dire performance?
There were also a number of games earlier in the season when the points were already in the bag and yet Jose still did not bring off senior players even then. If he had brought on a few youngsters in those games then maybe the senior players wouldn't be quite so tired now?
I remember Jose saying at the start of the season that he couldn't wait for the league cup and Europa to start so that he could give games to his squad players. Now he is saying that his players can't perform because they have played too many games. That makes no sense to me.
Any which way you look at it, he has not managed the squad well this season.
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posted on 30/4/17
Rosso,
With all due respect mate, you've seen Tuanzebe put in more accomplished performances against kids than Darmian has against experience Premier League standard players. It's an impossible comparison because since the death of a genuine reserve league the level that our kids are blooded at prior to the first team is shocking.
Tuanzebe might be more talented than Darmian, but right now he's not nearly as good as him.
I can see the sense in Mourinho's decision today.
posted on 30/4/17
Jose doesn't owe anything to Darmian
posted on 30/4/17
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 seconds ago
Jose doesn't owe anything to Darmian
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He owes more to Darmian than he does to Tuanzebe because Darmian is someone who is in the first squad and who deserves respect for the career he's had.
He's a full international for Italy who should always have rank over a youth player
posted on 30/4/17
I actually disagree Robb. The better player - regardless of age and experience - should rank first.
That said, Darmian is the better player so it's moot.
posted on 30/4/17
Hmm, on reading my statement back I agree actually Lambeau.
I do think however that youth should never play for the sake of it like some people suggest.
Last season we had a lot of youth players thrown in and that cost them. I very much doubt McNair recovered in LVGs thinking after being destroyed for pace by Glenn Murray or the season before Blackett never really recovered after the 5-3. Not to mention Varela against Coutinho. I don't think he played another game for us after that.
posted on 30/4/17
Can't agree with you. Whether he is an international is neither he nor there. They are both Manchester United players, Jose's job is to pick the right player for the purpose, not because he owes something to one or the other.
Whether he made the best choice is impossible to say as obviously we can't compare.
posted on 30/4/17
Sorry Lambeau, typed before I read your comment
posted on 30/4/17
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
Whether he made the best choice is impossible to say as obviously we can't compare.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
this is true...and i don't watch united's reserves, so will gladly admit that rosso's/others' knowledge of the kids' talents are miles ahead of mine.
what slightly irks is that some posters on here - and i don't mean you or rosso fyi - will automatically assume that it wasn't the best choice...mainly because jose made it (!)
posted on 30/4/17
Robb, who suggests youth should be played for the sake of it.?
For myself I would like to to see make scouting and development a priority. To play two or three youth players in the league cup, and for the really exceptional ones, give them their debut when appropriate. Be it league or cup.
posted on 30/4/17
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 57 seconds ago
Robb, who suggests youth should be played for the sake of it.?
For myself I would like to to see make scouting and development a priority. To play two or three youth players in the league cup, and for the really exceptional ones, give them their debut when appropriate. Be it league or cup.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And I'm sure next season that will happen.
posted on 30/4/17
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 56 minutes ago
Robb, who suggests youth should be played for the sake of it.?
For myself I would like to to see make scouting and development a priority. To play two or three youth players in the league cup, and for the really exceptional ones, give them their debut when appropriate. Be it league or cup.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You want too much
posted on 30/4/17
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
Rosso,
With all due respect mate, you've seen Tuanzebe put in more accomplished performances against kids than Darmian has against experience Premier League standard players. It's an impossible comparison because since the death of a genuine reserve league the level that our kids are blooded at prior to the first team is shocking.
Tuanzebe might be more talented than Darmian, but right now he's not nearly as good as him.
I can see the sense in Mourinho's decision today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can't see how you can say with certainty that Darmian is a better centreback than Tuanzebe.
posted on 30/4/17
comment by rossobianchi #EquipaLulaDaAlegria (U17054)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
Rosso,
With all due respect mate, you've seen Tuanzebe put in more accomplished performances against kids than Darmian has against experience Premier League standard players. It's an impossible comparison because since the death of a genuine reserve league the level that our kids are blooded at prior to the first team is shocking.
Tuanzebe might be more talented than Darmian, but right now he's not nearly as good as him.
I can see the sense in Mourinho's decision today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can't see how you can say with certainty that Darmian is a better centreback than Tuanzebe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can't see how you can say with certainty that he is. All I'm saying is that I can understand why Mourinho erred on the side of caution.
posted on 30/4/17
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi #EquipaLulaDaAlegria (U17054)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
Rosso,
With all due respect mate, you've seen Tuanzebe put in more accomplished performances against kids than Darmian has against experience Premier League standard players. It's an impossible comparison because since the death of a genuine reserve league the level that our kids are blooded at prior to the first team is shocking.
Tuanzebe might be more talented than Darmian, but right now he's not nearly as good as him.
I can see the sense in Mourinho's decision today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can't see how you can say with certainty that Darmian is a better centreback than Tuanzebe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can't see how you can say with certainty that he is. All I'm saying is that I can understand why Mourinho erred on the side of caution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As can I; I can understand the argument. It just doesn't agree with me.
I'd rather see him both put more faith in the youngsters, and take more risks. A large part of the reason people wanted rid of the poor old Dutchman was his safety-first, pragmatic and predictable approach.
I'd like to see a bit more of the old United spirit: pace, width, determination, the commitment of players to attacks, and faith in our Academy products,
posted on 1/5/17
For me the question is not whether the youngsters are better than the senior players, it is surely more about whether the youngsters - when fit and fresh - can do a job at Old Trafford when the senior players are "too tired" to perform.
If they aren't, then what is the point in having them...only to end up dropping points and then blaming fatigue for another dire performance?
There were also a number of games earlier in the season when the points were already in the bag and yet Jose still did not bring off senior players even then. If he had brought on a few youngsters in those games then maybe the senior players wouldn't be quite so tired now?
I remember Jose saying at the start of the season that he couldn't wait for the league cup and Europa to start so that he could give games to his squad players. Now he is saying that his players can't perform because they have played too many games. That makes no sense to me.
Any which way you look at it, he has not managed the squad well this season.
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