"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 6 seconds ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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Would Ramsey, Walcott, Gabriel, Giroud, Iwobi, Coquelinor or Gibbs get into Man City's first eleven?
Conversely Yaya Toure, Jesus Navas and Eliaquim Mangala could arguably get into our current squad.
Where is Bony playing right now?
Never mind walking into Arsenal's first team, half the players City are releasing have already walked OUT of Arsenal's first team.
So there squad is that much better than ours and we were three points behind doesn't that make Wenger a much better manager than Pep They had the same squad overhaul last season and were gonna walk the league according to most on here
I don't know why the bought Sagna in the first place he was past it when he was with us.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
So there squad is that much better than ours and we were three points behind doesn't that make Wenger a much better manager than PepThey had the same squad overhaul last season and were gonna walk the league according to most on here
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People like you who say that we were only three points behind Man City and one point off of a champion's league place don't get it . You've been blinded by finishing top four for over two decades and see it as a minimum requirement. Don't be fooled, the real number you need to get into your head is that we were eighteen points behind Chelsea. We were not even in the same league as the eventual winners.
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
So there squad is that much better than ours and we were three points behind doesn't that make Wenger a much better manager than PepThey had the same squad overhaul last season and were gonna walk the league according to most on here
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People like you who say that we were only three points behind Man City and one point off of a champion's league place don't get it. You've been blinded by finishing top four for over two decades and see it as a minimum requirement. Don't be fooled, the real number you need to get into your head is that we were eighteen points behind Chelsea. We were not even in the same league as the eventual winners.
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I didn't say that you mug, but no point explaining myself you facking simpleton
Looking form the outside , Am afraid I have to agree with Arsene. You have a strong squad . The issue is Arsene himself with his outdated and stale methods . The better teams these days have implemented the press and are a collective with a good work erhic.
Poch or Conte would have won the league with your squad I have no doubt !
Not defending Wenger but just playing devil's advocate: you could argue that Wenger has no choice but to say that about our school. Lets not kid ourselves - its going to be difficult for us to bring in a lot of better players this summer compared to city, so we will probably have no choice but to keep most of last year's squad.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
So there squad is that much better than ours and we were three points behind doesn't that make Wenger a much better manager than PepThey had the same squad overhaul last season and were gonna walk the league according to most on here
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People like you who say that we were only three points behind Man City and one point off of a champion's league place don't get it. You've been blinded by finishing top four for over two decades and see it as a minimum requirement. Don't be fooled, the real number you need to get into your head is that we were eighteen points behind Chelsea. We were not even in the same league as the eventual winners.
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I didn't say that you mug, but no point explaining myself you facking simpleton
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Citrenoogeht is onot u
comment by Abe Lackmann (U21076)
posted 1 minute ago
Not defending Wenger but just playing devil's advocate: you could argue that Wenger has no choice but to say that about our school. Lets not kid ourselves - its going to be difficult for us to bring in a lot of better players this summer compared to city, so we will probably have no choice but to keep most of last year's squad.
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You have a valid point but Wenger has been negligent in his duties by allowing a number of key players (and average players) to run down their contracts. He is now caught between a rock and a hard place and has to keep certain players on side with statements like "this is the best squad that he has ever had at Arsenal .....what? We can all see it. I'm sure you knew last year that Giroud wasn't the answer and that we needed a clinical striker. We went many seasons with substandard goal keepers before one literally fell into our laps in the the form of Cech. How long is he going to allow Walcott to fraudulently ply his trade? The man is ether blind or unfit to manage our club. Wenger is always one or two players short of what is needed. He then promises that changes will be made and the same thing happens again.
comment by Jalisco Red - Lionel Jesse (U4195)
posted 47 minutes ago
Never mind walking into Arsenal's first team, half the players City are releasing have already walked OUT of Arsenal's first team.
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Wenger will never learn that the business of sport is ruthless and one in which there is no room for sentiment.
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Not sure if Wenger is driven by loyalty or fantasy?
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 2 minutes ago
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Wenger will never learn that the business of sport is ruthless and one in which there is no room for sentiment.
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Not sure if Wenger is driven by loyalty or fantasy?
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If it's not loyalty but fantasy that drives Wenger, surely the reality of being unsuccessful for the last 13 years should tell him something about his dream?
Sure the £8+ mil helps alot
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 35 minutes ago
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Wenger will never learn that the business of sport is ruthless and one in which there is no room for sentiment.
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Not sure if Wenger is driven by loyalty or fantasy?
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Insanity and I can prove it.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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It's not a stretch....this statement is idiotic.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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It's not a stretch....this statement is idiotic.
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I was trying to be nice
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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It's not a stretch....this statement is idiotic.
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I was trying to be nice
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It's all about opinions and yours is one that I welcome.
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 6 seconds ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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Would Ramsey, Walcott, Gabriel, Giroud, Iwobi, Coquelinor or Gibbs get into Man City's first eleven?
Conversely Yaya Toure, Jesus Navas and Eliaquim Mangala could arguably get into our current squad.
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To start off, this argument is moving the goal posts. You can't say something about City's reverses and then change it into their starting XI. Secondly, what if whoever you named fits into the mold of what Pep likes in his players? Arsenal has players suited for the Guardiola's "put the ball on the ground pass it to the other side" mantra. Lastly, you were talking about released players. Mangela and Yaya are still at City last I checked. The players they did release aren't getting into the Arsenal team. Maybe Sagna but even that's a big stretch.
Arsenal is lacking a true leader in the side. Someone who can step up on big occasion and add a bit of grit into the side. Thought Cech was one but he just looks like he's playing for a pay cheque. Alexis is the closest thing to it but he doesn't look like he wants to play for y'all anymore.
Half the City players mentioned were virtually out of the door last summer.
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 6 seconds ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would Ramsey, Walcott, Gabriel, Giroud, Iwobi, Coquelinor or Gibbs get into Man City's first eleven?
Conversely Yaya Toure, Jesus Navas and Eliaquim Mangala could arguably get into our current squad.
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To start off, this argument is moving the goal posts. You can't say something about City's reverses and then change it into their starting XI. Secondly, what if whoever you named fits into the mold of what Pep likes in his players? Arsenal has players suited for the Guardiola's "put the ball on the ground pass it to the other side" mantra. Lastly, you were talking about released players. Mangela and Yaya are still at City last I checked. The players they did release aren't getting into the Arsenal team. Maybe Sagna but even that's a big stretch.
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From your last post I'm going to assume that you didn't read the article that I attached to my article in which Pep has begun by releasing four players but up to 18 player's contracts are up for review.
Secondly, I gave examples of players that are currently in our first team that (in my opinion) would not make their reserves. I could go further and add to that list the likes of Chambers, Jenkinson, Debuchy, Sanogo, to name but a few, who are still picking up a wage at Arsenal but need to be released pronto.
Thirdly I was making the point that our "deadwood" players would not get into their reserves whilst a fair few of their released players would get into our first team.
This is not moving the goal post, it is simply establishing the point that there is a gulf in quality of the players and a gulf in aspirations of the managers in question.
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posted on 25/5/17
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
posted on 25/5/17
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 6 seconds ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would Ramsey, Walcott, Gabriel, Giroud, Iwobi, Coquelinor or Gibbs get into Man City's first eleven?
Conversely Yaya Toure, Jesus Navas and Eliaquim Mangala could arguably get into our current squad.
posted on 25/5/17
Where is Bony playing right now?
posted on 25/5/17
Never mind walking into Arsenal's first team, half the players City are releasing have already walked OUT of Arsenal's first team.
posted on 25/5/17
So there squad is that much better than ours and we were three points behind doesn't that make Wenger a much better manager than Pep They had the same squad overhaul last season and were gonna walk the league according to most on here
posted on 25/5/17
I don't know why the bought Sagna in the first place he was past it when he was with us.
posted on 25/5/17
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
So there squad is that much better than ours and we were three points behind doesn't that make Wenger a much better manager than PepThey had the same squad overhaul last season and were gonna walk the league according to most on here
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People like you who say that we were only three points behind Man City and one point off of a champion's league place don't get it . You've been blinded by finishing top four for over two decades and see it as a minimum requirement. Don't be fooled, the real number you need to get into your head is that we were eighteen points behind Chelsea. We were not even in the same league as the eventual winners.
posted on 25/5/17
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
So there squad is that much better than ours and we were three points behind doesn't that make Wenger a much better manager than PepThey had the same squad overhaul last season and were gonna walk the league according to most on here
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People like you who say that we were only three points behind Man City and one point off of a champion's league place don't get it. You've been blinded by finishing top four for over two decades and see it as a minimum requirement. Don't be fooled, the real number you need to get into your head is that we were eighteen points behind Chelsea. We were not even in the same league as the eventual winners.
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I didn't say that you mug, but no point explaining myself you facking simpleton
posted on 25/5/17
Looking form the outside , Am afraid I have to agree with Arsene. You have a strong squad . The issue is Arsene himself with his outdated and stale methods . The better teams these days have implemented the press and are a collective with a good work erhic.
Poch or Conte would have won the league with your squad I have no doubt !
posted on 25/5/17
Not defending Wenger but just playing devil's advocate: you could argue that Wenger has no choice but to say that about our school. Lets not kid ourselves - its going to be difficult for us to bring in a lot of better players this summer compared to city, so we will probably have no choice but to keep most of last year's squad.
posted on 25/5/17
*meant about our squad
posted on 25/5/17
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
So there squad is that much better than ours and we were three points behind doesn't that make Wenger a much better manager than PepThey had the same squad overhaul last season and were gonna walk the league according to most on here
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People like you who say that we were only three points behind Man City and one point off of a champion's league place don't get it. You've been blinded by finishing top four for over two decades and see it as a minimum requirement. Don't be fooled, the real number you need to get into your head is that we were eighteen points behind Chelsea. We were not even in the same league as the eventual winners.
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I didn't say that you mug, but no point explaining myself you facking simpleton
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Citrenoogeht is onot u
posted on 25/5/17
comment by Abe Lackmann (U21076)
posted 1 minute ago
Not defending Wenger but just playing devil's advocate: you could argue that Wenger has no choice but to say that about our school. Lets not kid ourselves - its going to be difficult for us to bring in a lot of better players this summer compared to city, so we will probably have no choice but to keep most of last year's squad.
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You have a valid point but Wenger has been negligent in his duties by allowing a number of key players (and average players) to run down their contracts. He is now caught between a rock and a hard place and has to keep certain players on side with statements like "this is the best squad that he has ever had at Arsenal .....what? We can all see it. I'm sure you knew last year that Giroud wasn't the answer and that we needed a clinical striker. We went many seasons with substandard goal keepers before one literally fell into our laps in the the form of Cech. How long is he going to allow Walcott to fraudulently ply his trade? The man is ether blind or unfit to manage our club. Wenger is always one or two players short of what is needed. He then promises that changes will be made and the same thing happens again.
posted on 25/5/17
comment by Jalisco Red - Lionel Jesse (U4195)
posted 47 minutes ago
Never mind walking into Arsenal's first team, half the players City are releasing have already walked OUT of Arsenal's first team.
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posted on 25/5/17
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Wenger will never learn that the business of sport is ruthless and one in which there is no room for sentiment.
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Not sure if Wenger is driven by loyalty or fantasy?
posted on 25/5/17
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 2 minutes ago
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Wenger will never learn that the business of sport is ruthless and one in which there is no room for sentiment.
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Not sure if Wenger is driven by loyalty or fantasy?
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If it's not loyalty but fantasy that drives Wenger, surely the reality of being unsuccessful for the last 13 years should tell him something about his dream?
posted on 25/5/17
Sure the £8+ mil helps alot
posted on 25/5/17
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 35 minutes ago
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Wenger will never learn that the business of sport is ruthless and one in which there is no room for sentiment.
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Not sure if Wenger is driven by loyalty or fantasy?
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Insanity and I can prove it.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein
posted on 25/5/17
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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It's not a stretch....this statement is idiotic.
posted on 25/5/17
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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It's not a stretch....this statement is idiotic.
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I was trying to be nice
posted on 25/5/17
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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It's not a stretch....this statement is idiotic.
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I was trying to be nice
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It's all about opinions and yours is one that I welcome.
posted on 25/5/17
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 6 seconds ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would Ramsey, Walcott, Gabriel, Giroud, Iwobi, Coquelinor or Gibbs get into Man City's first eleven?
Conversely Yaya Toure, Jesus Navas and Eliaquim Mangala could arguably get into our current squad.
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To start off, this argument is moving the goal posts. You can't say something about City's reverses and then change it into their starting XI. Secondly, what if whoever you named fits into the mold of what Pep likes in his players? Arsenal has players suited for the Guardiola's "put the ball on the ground pass it to the other side" mantra. Lastly, you were talking about released players. Mangela and Yaya are still at City last I checked. The players they did release aren't getting into the Arsenal team. Maybe Sagna but even that's a big stretch.
posted on 25/5/17
Arsenal is lacking a true leader in the side. Someone who can step up on big occasion and add a bit of grit into the side. Thought Cech was one but he just looks like he's playing for a pay cheque. Alexis is the closest thing to it but he doesn't look like he wants to play for y'all anymore.
posted on 25/5/17
Half the City players mentioned were virtually out of the door last summer.
posted on 25/5/17
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 6 seconds ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would Ramsey, Walcott, Gabriel, Giroud, Iwobi, Coquelinor or Gibbs get into Man City's first eleven?
Conversely Yaya Toure, Jesus Navas and Eliaquim Mangala could arguably get into our current squad.
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To start off, this argument is moving the goal posts. You can't say something about City's reverses and then change it into their starting XI. Secondly, what if whoever you named fits into the mold of what Pep likes in his players? Arsenal has players suited for the Guardiola's "put the ball on the ground pass it to the other side" mantra. Lastly, you were talking about released players. Mangela and Yaya are still at City last I checked. The players they did release aren't getting into the Arsenal team. Maybe Sagna but even that's a big stretch.
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From your last post I'm going to assume that you didn't read the article that I attached to my article in which Pep has begun by releasing four players but up to 18 player's contracts are up for review.
Secondly, I gave examples of players that are currently in our first team that (in my opinion) would not make their reserves. I could go further and add to that list the likes of Chambers, Jenkinson, Debuchy, Sanogo, to name but a few, who are still picking up a wage at Arsenal but need to be released pronto.
Thirdly I was making the point that our "deadwood" players would not get into their reserves whilst a fair few of their released players would get into our first team.
This is not moving the goal post, it is simply establishing the point that there is a gulf in quality of the players and a gulf in aspirations of the managers in question.
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