Would Ramsey, Walcott, Gabriel, Giroud, Iwobi, Coquelinor or Gibbs get into Man City's first eleven?
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Only 1 of them gets into our first XI ffs.
Don't think any of the City players mentioned as being released or getting into our squad would get into our first XI either. Jesus Navas ffs
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
Would Ramsey, Walcott, Gabriel, Giroud, Iwobi, Coquelinor or Gibbs get into Man City's first eleven?
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Only 1 of them gets into our first XI ffs.
Don't think any of the City players mentioned as being released or getting into our squad would get into our first XI either. Jesus Navas ffs
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They have all have had regular stints in our first team this season.
Very much a grass is greener article.
The likes of Cabellero, Clichy, Delph, Fernando, Iheanacho etc are hardly players in stark contrast to the likes of Ospina, Gibbs, Ramsey, Coquelin, Iwobi. In fact I think we are superior in this aspect. The fact we have to use back up so regularly is a curse we have put up with for a long while.
@citrenoogeht
I did read your original post and what I'm saying is this argument is flawed because certain events haven't happened for your premises to start being accurate. Until they've released the said players in your post, the statement you made will not hold up.
I personally think that Arsenal is still a quality team and given the circumstances that restrict what Wenger can do regarding transfer market and injuries, I think y'all are too hard on him and the squad. If the board do sack Wenger and you'll be like us 5 years ago except in even worse shape due to primarily financial support from the board.
i believe we need players of better quality than we already have.
I believe we need maybe one or two players.
75pts here we come!
Shi3t. Lots of grammar errors in my post. It's harder to do this via phone than computer...
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 8 minutes ago
@citrenoogeht
I did read your original post and what I'm saying is this argument is flawed because certain events haven't happened for your premises to start being accurate. Until they've released the said players in your post, the statement you made will not hold up.
I personally think that Arsenal is still a quality team and given the circumstances that restrict what Wenger can do regarding transfer market and injuries, I think y'all are too hard on him and the squad. If the board do sack Wenger and you'll be like us 5 years ago except in even worse shape due to primarily financial support from the board.
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There isnt really a lot of restriction in what we can do in the transfer market.
Don't see why we would be like United have been, the amount of money thrown at our squad should allow a manager at the top of his game to succeed.
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 6 minutes ago
@citrenoogeht
I did read your original post and what I'm saying is this argument is flawed because certain events haven't happened for your premises to start being accurate. Until they've released the said players in your post, the statement you made will not hold up.
I personally think that Arsenal is still a quality team and given the circumstances that restrict what Wenger can do regarding transfer market and injuries, I think y'all are too hard on him and the squad. If the board do sack Wenger and you'll be like us 5 years ago except in even worse shape due to primarily financial support from the board.
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It looks like we have a difference in opinion on the quality of the players in question. However, do you agree with my central point which is unless substantial recruitment (which means out goings as well as quality key incomings) takes place, we will struggle to be competitive next season? (Especially as all of the other top six clubs will be strengthening).
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 8 minutes ago
@citrenoogeht
I did read your original post and what I'm saying is this argument is flawed because certain events haven't happened for your premises to start being accurate. Until they've released the said players in your post, the statement you made will not hold up.
I personally think that Arsenal is still a quality team and given the circumstances that restrict what Wenger can do regarding transfer market and injuries, I think y'all are too hard on him and the squad. If the board do sack Wenger and you'll be like us 5 years ago except in even worse shape due to primarily financial support from the board.
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There isnt really a lot of restriction in what we can do in the transfer market.
Don't see why we would be like United have been, the amount of money thrown at our squad should allow a manager at the top of his game to succeed.
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No where did I mention money. I have no objection at the £2m signing of Rob Holding or the prospective £6.8m signing of Henry Onyekuru. My central point is that once again Wenger is deluded in thinking that "one or two" signings will make us competitive. He is at odds with majority of the Arsenal fan base in this point of view. He's at odds with his peers of the other top six managers who are all ruthlessly improving their squads. At best he is only satisfying the board with his approach of not renovating the squad that clearly needs freshening up.
I say let's go buy Sagna again. There's some good players being released here. Nasri and Hart are other options to consider
I can understand getting Sagna back but would he want to be a bit part player?
Szczesny is at worst equal to Hart so would prefer we bought him back. No thanks to Nasri.
In terms of the individuals, it's just a grass is greener scenario. None of that lot, bar perhaps Nasri, would improve our squad.
The actual issue, as some have alluded to, is that City are releasing players that have done a job but are not good enough to take them to the next level or are past it. We will almost certainly continue to rely on these types of players next season, if Wenger stays
Thing is it is natural for a new manager to develop his own squad, and most times that means a lot of player changes.
It is also natural for a manager who has been at a club for a long time to feel less need for major overhauls.
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It looks like we have a difference in opinion on the quality of the players in question. However, do you agree with my central point which is unless substantial recruitment (which means out goings as well as quality key incomings) takes place, we will struggle to be competitive next season? (Especially as all of the other top six clubs will be strengthening).
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Your central point should be a given. So yeah, if you don't buy anyone this summer, you're not going to be able to compete if all of your competitors are improving. Wenger has gone out to buy the players every summer. Whether or not said player will improve your team is another issue. For example, as a fan of Valencia, I thought Mustafi was a really good signing for y'all last year. It's beyond anyone's control when he gets hurt. I think Arsenal can get better players than they have been getting which is why I inferred that your owner might a problem in providing the funds to do that.
I think a clean bill of health is needed for y'all come August and maybe up to 2 signings is needed not including Kolasinac. I just didn't agree on the statement that your team needs a complete overhaul of the squad. They're all decent players and will be valuable as you compete in 4 fronts next season.
comment by Freedom FC 🇺🇸 (⚽️🏀🏈⚾️) (U7214)
posted 13 hours, 52 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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OP is a drunk 😂
Every player listed in the OP aside from Yaya is either past it or not good enough, and even Yaya has seen better days.
Why would Wenger release all these players when they are HIS players. Pep is going to be backed to the hilt by the owners, so he can get rid of and bring in whoever the hell he wants.
Not that I'm making excuses for Wenger, we have plenty of problems at our club but we should be looking at ways to fix them instead of reacting to how oil money clubs fix theirs.
comment by Freedom FC 🇺🇸 (⚽️🏀🏈⚾️) (U7214)
posted 11 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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It's not a stretch....this statement is idiotic.
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I was trying to be nice
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I am not refering to you. Think the OP is an idiot.
Weird article. Never seen a more false equivalence.
comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC 🇺🇸 (⚽️🏀🏈⚾️) (U7214)
posted 13 hours, 52 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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OP is a drunk 😂
Every player listed in the OP aside from Yaya is either past it or not good enough, and even Yaya has seen better days.
Why would Wenger release all these players when they are HIS players. Pep is going to be backed to the hilt by the owners, so he can get rid of and bring in whoever the hell he wants.
Not that I'm making excuses for Wenger, we have plenty of problems at our club but we should be looking at ways to fix them instead of reacting to how oil money clubs fix theirs.
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Fully agree with this statement
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-city-bernardo-silva-transfer-monaco-300m-summer-spree-a7756986.html
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This is why they have already released 4 players.
Aimed to spend £300M in one single summer.
comment by IAWT... not anymore. (U10012)
posted 52 seconds ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-city-bernardo-silva-transfer-monaco-300m-summer-spree-a7756986.html
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This is why they have already released 4 players.
Aimed to spend £300M in one single summer.
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Exactly! That is the central point to my article in which I tried to emphasise the different approach of our two clubs. City have recognised their short comings and are ruthlessly taking action whilst Arsenal seem to be burying our heads in the sand and deceiving ourselves about the quality of the current squad in thinking that things will be different with this squad with the addition of just two players next season .
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by IAWT... not anymore. (U10012)
posted 52 seconds ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-city-bernardo-silva-transfer-monaco-300m-summer-spree-a7756986.html
============
This is why they have already released 4 players.
Aimed to spend £300M in one single summer.
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Exactly! That is the central point to my article in which I tried to emphasise the different approach of our two clubs. City have recognised their short comings and are ruthlessly taking action whilst Arsenal seem to be burying our heads in the sand and deceiving ourselves about the quality of the current squad in thinking that things will be different with this squad with the addition of just two players next season.
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You may realised that we dont compete financial with this oil money which doesnt mean we cant compete footballwise.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by IAWT... not anymore. (U10012)
posted 52 seconds ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-city-bernardo-silva-transfer-monaco-300m-summer-spree-a7756986.html
============
This is why they have already released 4 players.
Aimed to spend £300M in one single summer.
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Exactly! That is the central point to my article in which I tried to emphasise the different approach of our two clubs. City have recognised their short comings and are ruthlessly taking action whilst Arsenal seem to be burying our heads in the sand and deceiving ourselves about the quality of the current squad in thinking that things will be different with this squad with the addition of just two players next season.
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You may realised that we dont compete financial with this oil money which doesnt mean we cant compete footballwise.
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Money is not the only issue here. I'm essentially talking about taking decisive action. All of our rivals are in the process of building teams. They have identified the problems with their squads and are trying to strengthen for next season. Wenger must be blind if he can't see that a fair percentage of our players just do not cut it. This doesn't necessarily mean that he has to break the bank. After all Holding cost just £2m and look at what a bargain he has turned out to be.
Something has gone stale in our club. We need a new injection of enthusiasm and with it will come the confidence to go forward. This is one of the reasons why we need to sell a number of players. Generate money and add it to the allotted war chest and buy key players that are motivated and hopefully have the quality to succeed.
You may realised that we dont compete financial with this oil money which doesnt mean we cant compete footballwise.
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Huh? We can or can't compete football wise?
Reading up on the City releases, it seems a fair few actually turned down extensions. Jesus Navas and Willy Cabellero to name two. City not as ruthless as the OP would like us to believe?
comment by Godleebarnes (U9902)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
You may realised that we dont compete financial with this oil money which doesnt mean we cant compete footballwise.
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Huh? We can or can't compete football wise?
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We can footballwise. My bad...
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posted on 25/5/17
Would Ramsey, Walcott, Gabriel, Giroud, Iwobi, Coquelinor or Gibbs get into Man City's first eleven?
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Only 1 of them gets into our first XI ffs.
Don't think any of the City players mentioned as being released or getting into our squad would get into our first XI either. Jesus Navas ffs
posted on 25/5/17
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
Would Ramsey, Walcott, Gabriel, Giroud, Iwobi, Coquelinor or Gibbs get into Man City's first eleven?
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Only 1 of them gets into our first XI ffs.
Don't think any of the City players mentioned as being released or getting into our squad would get into our first XI either. Jesus Navas ffs
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They have all have had regular stints in our first team this season.
posted on 25/5/17
Very much a grass is greener article.
The likes of Cabellero, Clichy, Delph, Fernando, Iheanacho etc are hardly players in stark contrast to the likes of Ospina, Gibbs, Ramsey, Coquelin, Iwobi. In fact I think we are superior in this aspect. The fact we have to use back up so regularly is a curse we have put up with for a long while.
posted on 25/5/17
@citrenoogeht
I did read your original post and what I'm saying is this argument is flawed because certain events haven't happened for your premises to start being accurate. Until they've released the said players in your post, the statement you made will not hold up.
I personally think that Arsenal is still a quality team and given the circumstances that restrict what Wenger can do regarding transfer market and injuries, I think y'all are too hard on him and the squad. If the board do sack Wenger and you'll be like us 5 years ago except in even worse shape due to primarily financial support from the board.
posted on 25/5/17
i believe we need players of better quality than we already have.
I believe we need maybe one or two players.
75pts here we come!
posted on 25/5/17
Shi3t. Lots of grammar errors in my post. It's harder to do this via phone than computer...
posted on 25/5/17
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 8 minutes ago
@citrenoogeht
I did read your original post and what I'm saying is this argument is flawed because certain events haven't happened for your premises to start being accurate. Until they've released the said players in your post, the statement you made will not hold up.
I personally think that Arsenal is still a quality team and given the circumstances that restrict what Wenger can do regarding transfer market and injuries, I think y'all are too hard on him and the squad. If the board do sack Wenger and you'll be like us 5 years ago except in even worse shape due to primarily financial support from the board.
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There isnt really a lot of restriction in what we can do in the transfer market.
Don't see why we would be like United have been, the amount of money thrown at our squad should allow a manager at the top of his game to succeed.
posted on 25/5/17
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 6 minutes ago
@citrenoogeht
I did read your original post and what I'm saying is this argument is flawed because certain events haven't happened for your premises to start being accurate. Until they've released the said players in your post, the statement you made will not hold up.
I personally think that Arsenal is still a quality team and given the circumstances that restrict what Wenger can do regarding transfer market and injuries, I think y'all are too hard on him and the squad. If the board do sack Wenger and you'll be like us 5 years ago except in even worse shape due to primarily financial support from the board.
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It looks like we have a difference in opinion on the quality of the players in question. However, do you agree with my central point which is unless substantial recruitment (which means out goings as well as quality key incomings) takes place, we will struggle to be competitive next season? (Especially as all of the other top six clubs will be strengthening).
posted on 25/5/17
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 8 minutes ago
@citrenoogeht
I did read your original post and what I'm saying is this argument is flawed because certain events haven't happened for your premises to start being accurate. Until they've released the said players in your post, the statement you made will not hold up.
I personally think that Arsenal is still a quality team and given the circumstances that restrict what Wenger can do regarding transfer market and injuries, I think y'all are too hard on him and the squad. If the board do sack Wenger and you'll be like us 5 years ago except in even worse shape due to primarily financial support from the board.
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There isnt really a lot of restriction in what we can do in the transfer market.
Don't see why we would be like United have been, the amount of money thrown at our squad should allow a manager at the top of his game to succeed.
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No where did I mention money. I have no objection at the £2m signing of Rob Holding or the prospective £6.8m signing of Henry Onyekuru. My central point is that once again Wenger is deluded in thinking that "one or two" signings will make us competitive. He is at odds with majority of the Arsenal fan base in this point of view. He's at odds with his peers of the other top six managers who are all ruthlessly improving their squads. At best he is only satisfying the board with his approach of not renovating the squad that clearly needs freshening up.
posted on 25/5/17
I say let's go buy Sagna again. There's some good players being released here. Nasri and Hart are other options to consider
posted on 26/5/17
I can understand getting Sagna back but would he want to be a bit part player?
Szczesny is at worst equal to Hart so would prefer we bought him back. No thanks to Nasri.
posted on 26/5/17
In terms of the individuals, it's just a grass is greener scenario. None of that lot, bar perhaps Nasri, would improve our squad.
The actual issue, as some have alluded to, is that City are releasing players that have done a job but are not good enough to take them to the next level or are past it. We will almost certainly continue to rely on these types of players next season, if Wenger stays
posted on 26/5/17
Thing is it is natural for a new manager to develop his own squad, and most times that means a lot of player changes.
It is also natural for a manager who has been at a club for a long time to feel less need for major overhauls.
posted on 26/5/17
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It looks like we have a difference in opinion on the quality of the players in question. However, do you agree with my central point which is unless substantial recruitment (which means out goings as well as quality key incomings) takes place, we will struggle to be competitive next season? (Especially as all of the other top six clubs will be strengthening).
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Your central point should be a given. So yeah, if you don't buy anyone this summer, you're not going to be able to compete if all of your competitors are improving. Wenger has gone out to buy the players every summer. Whether or not said player will improve your team is another issue. For example, as a fan of Valencia, I thought Mustafi was a really good signing for y'all last year. It's beyond anyone's control when he gets hurt. I think Arsenal can get better players than they have been getting which is why I inferred that your owner might a problem in providing the funds to do that.
I think a clean bill of health is needed for y'all come August and maybe up to 2 signings is needed not including Kolasinac. I just didn't agree on the statement that your team needs a complete overhaul of the squad. They're all decent players and will be valuable as you compete in 4 fronts next season.
posted on 26/5/17
comment by Freedom FC 🇺🇸 (⚽️🏀🏈⚾️) (U7214)
posted 13 hours, 52 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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OP is a drunk 😂
Every player listed in the OP aside from Yaya is either past it or not good enough, and even Yaya has seen better days.
Why would Wenger release all these players when they are HIS players. Pep is going to be backed to the hilt by the owners, so he can get rid of and bring in whoever the hell he wants.
Not that I'm making excuses for Wenger, we have plenty of problems at our club but we should be looking at ways to fix them instead of reacting to how oil money clubs fix theirs.
posted on 26/5/17
comment by Freedom FC 🇺🇸 (⚽️🏀🏈⚾️) (U7214)
posted 11 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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It's not a stretch....this statement is idiotic.
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I was trying to be nice
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I am not refering to you. Think the OP is an idiot.
posted on 26/5/17
Weird article. Never seen a more false equivalence.
posted on 26/5/17
comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC 🇺🇸 (⚽️🏀🏈⚾️) (U7214)
posted 13 hours, 52 minutes ago
"In my opinion. Half of the players released by Man City would walk into Arsenal's first team, where as the dross that we need to get rid of wouldn't even grace Man City's reserves."
This statement is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
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OP is a drunk 😂
Every player listed in the OP aside from Yaya is either past it or not good enough, and even Yaya has seen better days.
Why would Wenger release all these players when they are HIS players. Pep is going to be backed to the hilt by the owners, so he can get rid of and bring in whoever the hell he wants.
Not that I'm making excuses for Wenger, we have plenty of problems at our club but we should be looking at ways to fix them instead of reacting to how oil money clubs fix theirs.
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Fully agree with this statement
posted on 26/5/17
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-city-bernardo-silva-transfer-monaco-300m-summer-spree-a7756986.html
============
This is why they have already released 4 players.
Aimed to spend £300M in one single summer.
posted on 26/5/17
comment by IAWT... not anymore. (U10012)
posted 52 seconds ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-city-bernardo-silva-transfer-monaco-300m-summer-spree-a7756986.html
============
This is why they have already released 4 players.
Aimed to spend £300M in one single summer.
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Exactly! That is the central point to my article in which I tried to emphasise the different approach of our two clubs. City have recognised their short comings and are ruthlessly taking action whilst Arsenal seem to be burying our heads in the sand and deceiving ourselves about the quality of the current squad in thinking that things will be different with this squad with the addition of just two players next season .
posted on 26/5/17
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by IAWT... not anymore. (U10012)
posted 52 seconds ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-city-bernardo-silva-transfer-monaco-300m-summer-spree-a7756986.html
============
This is why they have already released 4 players.
Aimed to spend £300M in one single summer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly! That is the central point to my article in which I tried to emphasise the different approach of our two clubs. City have recognised their short comings and are ruthlessly taking action whilst Arsenal seem to be burying our heads in the sand and deceiving ourselves about the quality of the current squad in thinking that things will be different with this squad with the addition of just two players next season.
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You may realised that we dont compete financial with this oil money which doesnt mean we cant compete footballwise.
posted on 26/5/17
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by citrenoogeht (U13932)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by IAWT... not anymore. (U10012)
posted 52 seconds ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-city-bernardo-silva-transfer-monaco-300m-summer-spree-a7756986.html
============
This is why they have already released 4 players.
Aimed to spend £300M in one single summer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly! That is the central point to my article in which I tried to emphasise the different approach of our two clubs. City have recognised their short comings and are ruthlessly taking action whilst Arsenal seem to be burying our heads in the sand and deceiving ourselves about the quality of the current squad in thinking that things will be different with this squad with the addition of just two players next season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You may realised that we dont compete financial with this oil money which doesnt mean we cant compete footballwise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Money is not the only issue here. I'm essentially talking about taking decisive action. All of our rivals are in the process of building teams. They have identified the problems with their squads and are trying to strengthen for next season. Wenger must be blind if he can't see that a fair percentage of our players just do not cut it. This doesn't necessarily mean that he has to break the bank. After all Holding cost just £2m and look at what a bargain he has turned out to be.
Something has gone stale in our club. We need a new injection of enthusiasm and with it will come the confidence to go forward. This is one of the reasons why we need to sell a number of players. Generate money and add it to the allotted war chest and buy key players that are motivated and hopefully have the quality to succeed.
posted on 26/5/17
You may realised that we dont compete financial with this oil money which doesnt mean we cant compete footballwise.
----
Huh? We can or can't compete football wise?
posted on 26/5/17
Reading up on the City releases, it seems a fair few actually turned down extensions. Jesus Navas and Willy Cabellero to name two. City not as ruthless as the OP would like us to believe?
posted on 26/5/17
comment by Godleebarnes (U9902)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
You may realised that we dont compete financial with this oil money which doesnt mean we cant compete footballwise.
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Huh? We can or can't compete football wise?
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We can footballwise. My bad...
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