comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 58 seconds ago
He'll at least bring with him bags full of charisma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpwChyyyy4s
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He's so German.
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 44 minutes ago
Miki and Mata are not irreplaceable. In fact I'd say our under performing attacking players has hampered us a lot over recent years.
Zlatan got 26 goals by Easter time last year and then got injured. He'd have probably got 30 plus had he stayed fit. The supporting players were very very poor. It' why we came 6th.
Mata is a terrific footballer but the problem I have with him is that defenders know he'd not going to beat them for pace or skill. He's so reliant on being able to pick out passes from nowhere because of his real lack of pace. When he's not doing that, he's not really offering us much.
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Eh? He brings an awful lot more than that.
He's our best forward at finding space and, barring Lingard maybe, creating space for others. He makes excellent early and late runs which put him in positions to take attempts himself or create for others.
He tracks and covers well despite his lack of pace. Above all maybe, he's a brilliant outlet for the defence and midfield when we need to get out, finding space helping us to keep possession or happily receiving the ball under pressure. He has maybe the best touch of all of our players and rarely misses a pass.
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed Lingard's little hip shove to make room on the bench for the player who's just come off.
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
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Wouldn't get in most of the top teams in Europe.
He's a good footballer and very clever but the way you described him above puts him way way way above what he truly is.
Out of KDB, Silva, Coutinho, Hazard, Ozil, Eriksen I'd say he's the worst. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't it clearly but he's not top drawer.
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 44 minutes ago
Miki and Mata are not irreplaceable. In fact I'd say our under performing attacking players has hampered us a lot over recent years.
Zlatan got 26 goals by Easter time last year and then got injured. He'd have probably got 30 plus had he stayed fit. The supporting players were very very poor. It' why we came 6th.
Mata is a terrific footballer but the problem I have with him is that defenders know he'd not going to beat them for pace or skill. He's so reliant on being able to pick out passes from nowhere because of his real lack of pace. When he's not doing that, he's not really offering us much.
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Eh? He brings an awful lot more than that.
He's our best forward at finding space and, barring Lingard maybe, creating space for others. He makes excellent early and late runs which put him in positions to take attempts himself or create for others.
He tracks and covers well despite his lack of pace. Above all maybe, he's a brilliant outlet for the defence and midfield when we need to get out, finding space helping us to keep possession or happily receiving the ball under pressure. He has maybe the best touch of all of our players and rarely misses a pass.
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
---------------------------------
Ozil has shown that his head can drop when things aren't going right. Mata on the other hand has a steely determination and just keeps on going.
As I said previously, I am not against the Ozil signing as such. But it does annoy me how so many of our fans belittle our existing players to justify the purchase of the next new shiny player.
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 58 seconds ago
He'll at least bring with him bags full of charisma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpwChyyyy4s
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He's so German.
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Seems to refer to his Turkish heritage a lot though.
He's very strange.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 58 seconds ago
He'll at least bring with him bags full of charisma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpwChyyyy4s
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He's so German.
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Seems to refer to his Turkish heritage a lot though.
He's very strange.
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<thisiswhereicouldhavedonewithasarcasmsmiley>
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 34 minutes ago
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
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Wouldn't get in most of the top teams in Europe.
He's a good footballer and very clever but the way you described him above puts him way way way above what he truly is.
Out of KDB, Silva, Coutinho, Hazard, Ozil, Eriksen I'd say he's the worst. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't it clearly but he's not top drawer.
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There's no crime in not managing to match KDB, Silva, Coutinho or Hazard. They're all world class players.
I just don't see how switching Mata for Ozil improves us. Switching Mkhi and Ozil, if Jose is to persist with Mkhi at number ten, well, maybe. If we could sell Mkhi on for £30m and bring in Ozil on a free, that might end up looking like good business.
That said, I'd much rather we were back to a three man midfield including Mata and buying a top class RW than persisting with a two man midfield and number ten.
I’m not a big fan of Ozil but if Mhki doesn’t buck up his ideas then I wouldn’t be against this deal.
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 34 minutes ago
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Wouldn't get in most of the top teams in Europe.
He's a good footballer and very clever but the way you described him above puts him way way way above what he truly is.
Out of KDB, Silva, Coutinho, Hazard, Ozil, Eriksen I'd say he's the worst. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't it clearly but he's not top drawer.
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There's no crime in not managing to match KDB, Silva, Coutinho or Hazard. They're all world class players.
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We should be aspiring to players of their level though.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 34 minutes ago
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Wouldn't get in most of the top teams in Europe.
He's a good footballer and very clever but the way you described him above puts him way way way above what he truly is.
Out of KDB, Silva, Coutinho, Hazard, Ozil, Eriksen I'd say he's the worst. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't it clearly but he's not top drawer.
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There's no crime in not managing to match KDB, Silva, Coutinho or Hazard. They're all world class players.
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We should be aspiring to players of their level though.
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I don't disagree; but I wouldn't suggest Ozil is one of them.
And there are other positions we need to strengthen before looking at the area of the pitch Ozil performs best in.
We don't necessarily have to be aspiring to that level. Not every player needs to be world class. In 1999 we had a world class team, but few world class players
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
We don't necessarily have to be aspiring to that level. Not every player needs to be world class. In 1999 we had a world class team, but few world class players
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While I agree it should always be team ahead of individuals, it's also true that even since then, the top talent has become even more hoarded by a small number of super-rich teams.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
We don't necessarily have to be aspiring to that level. Not every player needs to be world class. In 1999 we had a world class team, but few world class players
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I'd say that we had at least 5/6.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
We don't necessarily have to be aspiring to that level. Not every player needs to be world class. In 1999 we had a world class team, but few world class players
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I'd say that we had at least 5/6.
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Yep
Justified in terms of sales of MUFC branded googly eyes alone.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Justified in terms of sales of MUFC branded googly eyes alone.
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Not sure he's urban enough though.
I just don't think playing a player like Ozil in a midfield with Matic and Pogba would work too well. They won't conmbine to cover each other's weaknesses, that's the big issue for me rather than it being about replacing Mkhi and, or, Mata.
Those two have often played on the right under Mourinho, so replacing them with Ozil to play through the middle or on the right isn't the best idea as far as I'm concerned.
We need a proper right winger. And an upgrade on Fellaini and Herrera in the centre of the park. Ozil doesn't solve these problem areas (that's without mentioning the left wing and full backs).
we had Stam, Shmikes, Keano, Giggsy, Becks, to name a few who in 1999 could have been considered as world class at the time.
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
we had Stam, Shmikes, Keano, Giggsy, Becks, to name a few who in 1999 could have been considered as world class at the time.
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Now we have ddg. That's it.
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
we had Stam, Shmikes, Keano, Giggsy, Becks, to name a few who in 1999 could have been considered as world class at the time.
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Got_Better logged into the wrong account?
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Mesut Ozil
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posted on 20/10/17
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 58 seconds ago
He'll at least bring with him bags full of charisma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpwChyyyy4s
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He's so German.
posted on 20/10/17
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 44 minutes ago
Miki and Mata are not irreplaceable. In fact I'd say our under performing attacking players has hampered us a lot over recent years.
Zlatan got 26 goals by Easter time last year and then got injured. He'd have probably got 30 plus had he stayed fit. The supporting players were very very poor. It' why we came 6th.
Mata is a terrific footballer but the problem I have with him is that defenders know he'd not going to beat them for pace or skill. He's so reliant on being able to pick out passes from nowhere because of his real lack of pace. When he's not doing that, he's not really offering us much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh? He brings an awful lot more than that.
He's our best forward at finding space and, barring Lingard maybe, creating space for others. He makes excellent early and late runs which put him in positions to take attempts himself or create for others.
He tracks and covers well despite his lack of pace. Above all maybe, he's a brilliant outlet for the defence and midfield when we need to get out, finding space helping us to keep possession or happily receiving the ball under pressure. He has maybe the best touch of all of our players and rarely misses a pass.
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
posted on 20/10/17
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed Lingard's little hip shove to make room on the bench for the player who's just come off.
posted on 20/10/17
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Wouldn't get in most of the top teams in Europe.
He's a good footballer and very clever but the way you described him above puts him way way way above what he truly is.
Out of KDB, Silva, Coutinho, Hazard, Ozil, Eriksen I'd say he's the worst. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't it clearly but he's not top drawer.
posted on 20/10/17
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 44 minutes ago
Miki and Mata are not irreplaceable. In fact I'd say our under performing attacking players has hampered us a lot over recent years.
Zlatan got 26 goals by Easter time last year and then got injured. He'd have probably got 30 plus had he stayed fit. The supporting players were very very poor. It' why we came 6th.
Mata is a terrific footballer but the problem I have with him is that defenders know he'd not going to beat them for pace or skill. He's so reliant on being able to pick out passes from nowhere because of his real lack of pace. When he's not doing that, he's not really offering us much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh? He brings an awful lot more than that.
He's our best forward at finding space and, barring Lingard maybe, creating space for others. He makes excellent early and late runs which put him in positions to take attempts himself or create for others.
He tracks and covers well despite his lack of pace. Above all maybe, he's a brilliant outlet for the defence and midfield when we need to get out, finding space helping us to keep possession or happily receiving the ball under pressure. He has maybe the best touch of all of our players and rarely misses a pass.
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
---------------------------------
Ozil has shown that his head can drop when things aren't going right. Mata on the other hand has a steely determination and just keeps on going.
As I said previously, I am not against the Ozil signing as such. But it does annoy me how so many of our fans belittle our existing players to justify the purchase of the next new shiny player.
posted on 20/10/17
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 58 seconds ago
He'll at least bring with him bags full of charisma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpwChyyyy4s
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's so German.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seems to refer to his Turkish heritage a lot though.
He's very strange.
posted on 20/10/17
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 58 seconds ago
He'll at least bring with him bags full of charisma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpwChyyyy4s
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's so German.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seems to refer to his Turkish heritage a lot though.
He's very strange.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
<thisiswhereicouldhavedonewithasarcasmsmiley>
posted on 20/10/17
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 34 minutes ago
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Wouldn't get in most of the top teams in Europe.
He's a good footballer and very clever but the way you described him above puts him way way way above what he truly is.
Out of KDB, Silva, Coutinho, Hazard, Ozil, Eriksen I'd say he's the worst. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't it clearly but he's not top drawer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no crime in not managing to match KDB, Silva, Coutinho or Hazard. They're all world class players.
I just don't see how switching Mata for Ozil improves us. Switching Mkhi and Ozil, if Jose is to persist with Mkhi at number ten, well, maybe. If we could sell Mkhi on for £30m and bring in Ozil on a free, that might end up looking like good business.
That said, I'd much rather we were back to a three man midfield including Mata and buying a top class RW than persisting with a two man midfield and number ten.
posted on 20/10/17
I’m not a big fan of Ozil but if Mhki doesn’t buck up his ideas then I wouldn’t be against this deal.
posted on 20/10/17
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 34 minutes ago
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Wouldn't get in most of the top teams in Europe.
He's a good footballer and very clever but the way you described him above puts him way way way above what he truly is.
Out of KDB, Silva, Coutinho, Hazard, Ozil, Eriksen I'd say he's the worst. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't it clearly but he's not top drawer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no crime in not managing to match KDB, Silva, Coutinho or Hazard. They're all world class players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We should be aspiring to players of their level though.
posted on 20/10/17
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 34 minutes ago
He's hardworking, consistent, a quiet leader, experienced, intelligent and professional. His head never drops.
He's a brilliant player to have in the side.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Wouldn't get in most of the top teams in Europe.
He's a good footballer and very clever but the way you described him above puts him way way way above what he truly is.
Out of KDB, Silva, Coutinho, Hazard, Ozil, Eriksen I'd say he's the worst. Doesn't mean he's a bad player because he isn't it clearly but he's not top drawer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no crime in not managing to match KDB, Silva, Coutinho or Hazard. They're all world class players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We should be aspiring to players of their level though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't disagree; but I wouldn't suggest Ozil is one of them.
And there are other positions we need to strengthen before looking at the area of the pitch Ozil performs best in.
posted on 20/10/17
We don't necessarily have to be aspiring to that level. Not every player needs to be world class. In 1999 we had a world class team, but few world class players
posted on 20/10/17
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
We don't necessarily have to be aspiring to that level. Not every player needs to be world class. In 1999 we had a world class team, but few world class players
----------------------------------------------------------------------
While I agree it should always be team ahead of individuals, it's also true that even since then, the top talent has become even more hoarded by a small number of super-rich teams.
posted on 20/10/17
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
We don't necessarily have to be aspiring to that level. Not every player needs to be world class. In 1999 we had a world class team, but few world class players
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I'd say that we had at least 5/6.
posted on 20/10/17
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
We don't necessarily have to be aspiring to that level. Not every player needs to be world class. In 1999 we had a world class team, but few world class players
------------------
I'd say that we had at least 5/6.
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Yep
posted on 20/10/17
Justified in terms of sales of MUFC branded googly eyes alone.
posted on 20/10/17
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
Justified in terms of sales of MUFC branded googly eyes alone.
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Not sure he's urban enough though.
posted on 20/10/17
I just don't think playing a player like Ozil in a midfield with Matic and Pogba would work too well. They won't conmbine to cover each other's weaknesses, that's the big issue for me rather than it being about replacing Mkhi and, or, Mata.
Those two have often played on the right under Mourinho, so replacing them with Ozil to play through the middle or on the right isn't the best idea as far as I'm concerned.
We need a proper right winger. And an upgrade on Fellaini and Herrera in the centre of the park. Ozil doesn't solve these problem areas (that's without mentioning the left wing and full backs).
posted on 20/10/17
The scenes, the scenes
posted on 20/10/17
we had Stam, Shmikes, Keano, Giggsy, Becks, to name a few who in 1999 could have been considered as world class at the time.
posted on 20/10/17
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 14 minutes ago
we had Stam, Shmikes, Keano, Giggsy, Becks, to name a few who in 1999 could have been considered as world class at the time.
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Now we have ddg. That's it.
posted on 20/10/17
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
we had Stam, Shmikes, Keano, Giggsy, Becks, to name a few who in 1999 could have been considered as world class at the time.
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Got_Better logged into the wrong account?
posted on 20/10/17
Forts, Kanchelsko, Nisters, Butts, Sharpy, Ando, Hargo, Ronnie J, Davie M.
Any more shiiit GB style nicknames anyone?
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