comment by Oscar #TeamFury. Champion of NBA Predictions and 2021/2022 Winner (U12980)
posted 6 hours, 56 minutes ago
Rosso not liking Baker makes me like him even more, definitely knows his stuff if Rosso doesn’t like him

Anti green
Anti stupid restrictions
Anti lockdowns
Anti climate change

Essentially anti BS

Baker
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If anti BS is short for anti Buttoned-down Science, then yes, he’s certainly that.

Probably believes the Earth is 10,000 years old and flat as a pancake.

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 2 minutes ago
EXCLUSIVE:

Labour leader Sir @Keir_Starmer has told City A.M. that the UK can have a better economic future outside the EU than inside if the government slashes post-#Brexit red tape and diverges from Brussels’ regulations.

https://t.co/ycR5YEleAX
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I don’t understand this move, at all.

1. He’s wrong in terms of the economic argument, and he probably knows it; so not only is it a shiiiit policy for the country, he’s damaging his own credibility.
2. It sounds like another Labour shift to the right economically, which is going to pess off even some Eurosceptic grassroots campaigners as well as many left wing voters.
3. It’s gonna split the party further along Brexit lines.
4. It’s gonna drive a shiiiitload of centrist Europhile voters straight to the Lib Dems.

Looks like ridiculous positioning to me for a whole bunch of reasons.
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I think he knows if he talks about wanting to rejoin then the next election could end up a repeat of 2019 where people vote purely based on brexit, and he wants to avoid that.

It's still a divisive topic and if we ever are going to rejoin it'll probably be another 5-10 years before it can realistically be brought up.

At least that's my hope anyway.

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 2 minutes ago
EXCLUSIVE:

Labour leader Sir @Keir_Starmer has told City A.M. that the UK can have a better economic future outside the EU than inside if the government slashes post-#Brexit red tape and diverges from Brussels’ regulations.

https://t.co/ycR5YEleAX
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I don’t understand this move, at all.

1. He’s wrong in terms of the economic argument, and he probably knows it; so not only is it a shiiiit policy for the country, he’s damaging his own credibility.
2. It sounds like another Labour shift to the right economically, which is going to pess off even some Eurosceptic grassroots campaigners as well as many left wing voters.
3. It’s gonna split the party further along Brexit lines.
4. It’s gonna drive a shiiiitload of centrist Europhile voters straight to the Lib Dems.

Looks like ridiculous positioning to me for a whole bunch of reasons.
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I think he knows if he talks about wanting to rejoin then the next election could end up a repeat of 2019 where people vote purely based on brexit, and he wants to avoid that.

It's still a divisive topic and if we ever are going to rejoin it'll probably be another 5-10 years before it can realistically be brought up.

At least that's my hope anyway.
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Yeah, he is looking to avoid a very easy conservative attack line.

A lot of voters don't regard Brexit as being over, so he cannot align himself to Brexit-scepticism, as it risks another repeat of 2019.

He also needs to seem optimistic on Britain's future, as much of Corbyn's campaigning surrounded how miserable British life.

*British life is

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 2 minutes ago
EXCLUSIVE:

Labour leader Sir @Keir_Starmer has told City A.M. that the UK can have a better economic future outside the EU than inside if the government slashes post-#Brexit red tape and diverges from Brussels’ regulations.

https://t.co/ycR5YEleAX
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I don’t understand this move, at all.

1. He’s wrong in terms of the economic argument, and he probably knows it; so not only is it a shiiiit policy for the country, he’s damaging his own credibility.
2. It sounds like another Labour shift to the right economically, which is going to pess off even some Eurosceptic grassroots campaigners as well as many left wing voters.
3. It’s gonna split the party further along Brexit lines.
4. It’s gonna drive a shiiiitload of centrist Europhile voters straight to the Lib Dems.

Looks like ridiculous positioning to me for a whole bunch of reasons.
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I think he knows if he talks about wanting to rejoin then the next election could end up a repeat of 2019 where people vote purely based on brexit, and he wants to avoid that.

It's still a divisive topic and if we ever are going to rejoin it'll probably be another 5-10 years before it can realistically be brought up.

At least that's my hope anyway.
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Yeah I think that's what his thinking is as well.

No point being pro eu as he will lose lots of votes in the red wall which was seen in 2019

Of course it's denialism but the truth is a bitter pill to swallow

🚨EXCL: Mega row in the ERG Tory WhatsApp as Mark Francois tells MPs to support Liz Truss - but others would rather back Kemi Badenoch https://t.co/jxNrgzY33o

What’d be wrong with just shutting up about Brexit:

“What’s done is done, we need to move on and look at the immediate issues facing the country, namely inflation, cost of living, falling wages, fuel poverty…”

Where did this Badenoch spring up from? Never heard of her and wonder if she’s a puppet for some malevolent right wing agenda.

James O’Brien thinks you’re a couple of failed Tory governments away from one coming in and making going back into the EU their main agenda as it’s only going to get worse

comment by Robb 🎶 Chrissy, wake up! 🎶 (U22716)
posted 16 minutes ago
Where did this Badenoch spring up from? Never heard of her and wonder if she’s a puppet for some malevolent right wing agenda.
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She's young and different to Boris.... Tory membership want a reset after the last few years.

For what she stands for, she seems to lean to the right but I don't really know much else about her

Penny Mordaunt leads head-to-head against Rishi Sunak & Liz Truss, both among those who voted Conservative in 2019…

45% to 32% vs Sunak
33% to 30% vs Truss

…and among the public

39% to 32% vs Sunak
27% to 26% vs Truss

Sunak leads 48% to 40% vs Truss among 2019 Con voters. https://t.co/75NlwW7unZ

comment by Robb 🎶 Chrissy, wake up! 🎶 (U22716)
posted 26 minutes ago
Where did this Badenoch spring up from? Never heard of her and wonder if she’s a puppet for some malevolent right wing agenda.
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She seems to be going down the American route of focusing on culture war bullsh!t and nothing else.

As if our politics isn't Americanised enough already.

comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 19 minutes ago
Penny Mordaunt leads head-to-head against Rishi Sunak & Liz Truss, both among those who voted Conservative in 2019…

45% to 32% vs Sunak
33% to 30% vs Truss

…and among the public

39% to 32% vs Sunak
27% to 26% vs Truss

Sunak leads 48% to 40% vs Truss among 2019 Con voters. https://t.co/75NlwW7unZ
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Hard to see red wall voters going for Sunak or Truss, and as Penny is regarded as liberal conservative, compared to Kemi or Truss, Mordaunt could perhaps sail through the centre, picking up votes from left and right in the party, who seek change from boris-Sunak and indeed Truss.

If Tories want to take on Starmer Labour, Sunak or Truss are not going to cut it, but Penny ❤️ may do, as seen before in the House.

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 10 hours, 39 minutes ago
I’m beginning to think Truss wouldn’t be too terrible.

She’s that ineffective and indecisive that I can’t believe she could do that much damage in two years.

And then she’d be obliterated come election time.

Of the three favourites, the only one Labour will be fearing is Mordaunt, I’d think.
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If people want Starmer to win, Truss is their dream ticket, mate.

More life in T May, 🤣

comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 19 minutes ago
Penny Mordaunt leads head-to-head against Rishi Sunak & Liz Truss, both among those who voted Conservative in 2019…

45% to 32% vs Sunak
33% to 30% vs Truss

…and among the public

39% to 32% vs Sunak
27% to 26% vs Truss

Sunak leads 48% to 40% vs Truss among 2019 Con voters. https://t.co/75NlwW7unZ
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Hard to see red wall voters going for Sunak or Truss, and as Penny is regarded as liberal conservative, compared to Kemi or Truss, Mordaunt could perhaps sail through the centre, picking up votes from left and right in the party, who seek change from boris-Sunak and indeed Truss.

If Tories want to take on Starmer Labour, Sunak or Truss are not going to cut it, but Penny ❤️ may do, as seen before in the House.

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Yep; I think you’re bang on here, tbab. I think they’ll pick Mordaunt for this very reason.

This is an example of what the Tories are (generally) exceptionally good at when compared to Labour: they understand the critical importance of branding, image, marketing, and media, and when CCHQ has control of these things, they do them well.

Labour, on the other hand, blunders about shooting itself in the feet incessantly, Starmer’s latest Brexit repositioning I think being the latest example.

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 10 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 3 hours ago
Also means she's gonna pip Penny
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I was wrong mate, when I thought Braverman backers would back Kemi more than Truss, but still reckon Penny will edge it.
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They’re Kemi ideologically, for sure.

But they know she’s even more unelectable - by both the party membership and the electorate - than Truss.

Baker and his mob talk the talk, but they’re a pretty savvy bunch. If it’s a choice between putting Kemi up against Mordaunt/Rishi or Truss, they’ll go for the candidate they think has a chance.
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Fair analysis Rosso.

The brexit right will unite around Truss and move to Truss from Kemi in coming days, even though Truss was remainer originally🤨, and weirdly, Truss has big hitters backing, while Penny only has David Davis, but still Mordaunt seems to have momentum and membership support.

I have heard Tories day of Sunak wins, they will switch to or go back to Labour.

Wonder where Tugendhat votes will go as he is gone next surely with only 30 odd MPs?Possibly to Penny who is also seen as on the so called liberal left of the Tory party?

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 19 minutes ago
Penny Mordaunt leads head-to-head against Rishi Sunak & Liz Truss, both among those who voted Conservative in 2019…

45% to 32% vs Sunak
33% to 30% vs Truss

…and among the public

39% to 32% vs Sunak
27% to 26% vs Truss

Sunak leads 48% to 40% vs Truss among 2019 Con voters. https://t.co/75NlwW7unZ
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Hard to see red wall voters going for Sunak or Truss, and as Penny is regarded as liberal conservative, compared to Kemi or Truss, Mordaunt could perhaps sail through the centre, picking up votes from left and right in the party, who seek change from boris-Sunak and indeed Truss.

If Tories want to take on Starmer Labour, Sunak or Truss are not going to cut it, but Penny ❤️ may do, as seen before in the House.

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Yep; I think you’re bang on here, tbab. I think they’ll pick Mordaunt for this very reason.

This is an example of what the Tories are (generally) exceptionally good at when compared to Labour: they understand the critical importance of branding, image, marketing, and media, and when CCHQ has control of these things, they do them well.

Labour, on the other hand, blunders about shooting itself in the feet incessantly, Starmer’s latest Brexit repositioning I think being the latest example.
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👍

Glad we concur on stuff, bud😉

Fwiw, I think whoever wins Tory race will lose to Starmer Labour at the GE....in spite of or despite Starmer and labour splits and failings.

And although Labour are often split, Tories are going blue on blue right now and have more schisms than Protestant church sects lol.

Loyalty to the Tory party is a big thing and they are ruthless and PR savvy, but Tories are now all over the shop with various wings, lobby groups and personalities.

comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 10 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 3 hours ago
Also means she's gonna pip Penny
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I was wrong mate, when I thought Braverman backers would back Kemi more than Truss, but still reckon Penny will edge it.
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They’re Kemi ideologically, for sure.

But they know she’s even more unelectable - by both the party membership and the electorate - than Truss.

Baker and his mob talk the talk, but they’re a pretty savvy bunch. If it’s a choice between putting Kemi up against Mordaunt/Rishi or Truss, they’ll go for the candidate they think has a chance.
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Fair analysis Rosso.

The brexit right will unite around Truss and move to Truss from Kemi in coming days, even though Truss was remainer originally🤨, and weirdly, Truss has big hitters backing, while Penny only has David Davis, but still Mordaunt seems to have momentum and membership support.

I have heard Tories day of Sunak wins, they will switch to or go back to Labour.

Wonder where Tugendhat votes will go as he is gone next surely with only 30 odd MPs?Possibly to Penny who is also seen as on the so called liberal left of the Tory party?
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Say if Sunak wins

comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 10 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by TBABlue and Yellow. (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 3 hours ago
Also means she's gonna pip Penny
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I was wrong mate, when I thought Braverman backers would back Kemi more than Truss, but still reckon Penny will edge it.
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They’re Kemi ideologically, for sure.

But they know she’s even more unelectable - by both the party membership and the electorate - than Truss.

Baker and his mob talk the talk, but they’re a pretty savvy bunch. If it’s a choice between putting Kemi up against Mordaunt/Rishi or Truss, they’ll go for the candidate they think has a chance.
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Fair analysis Rosso.

The brexit right will unite around Truss and move to Truss from Kemi in coming days, even though Truss was remainer originally🤨, and weirdly, Truss has big hitters backing, while Penny only has David Davis, but still Mordaunt seems to have momentum and membership support.

I have heard Tories day of Sunak wins, they will switch to or go back to Labour.

Wonder where Tugendhat votes will go as he is gone next surely with only 30 odd MPs?Possibly to Penny who is also seen as on the so called liberal left of the Tory party?
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Tom's vote should go to Penny as they are on the same wavelengths but wouldn't surprise me if he goes Rishi

First ever red warning of heat issued for Monday and Tuesday with some places predicted to hit 40c.

This bloke is a legend, it’s really making me consider joining a union

https://twitter.com/ronanburtenshaw/status/1547625321398013957?s=21&t=_Nv5u5kZTDp0ziOy5hXUYg

Mordaunt says she disagrees with her twin brother James over his condemnation of the Conservatives for being, in his view, “complict” in anti-LGBT bigotry.

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 7 minutes ago
First ever red warning of heat issued for Monday and Tuesday with some places predicted to hit 40c.

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Just business as usual according to Baker and his ERG mates. Nothing to see here.

At 42, Kemi Badenoch and Rishi Sunak would be the youngest Prime Minister since 1812.