comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
I've always thought the biggest problem in this country is that people would rather see something taken away from someone else, than improve their own lot.
This is why policies to take away benefits or make things worse for a particular group are always popular amongst the lower educated. The thinking is never positive about how can they vote to get improvements to the public services they use, it is always to take away something that someone else will get that they don't.
Its unlikely this will ever change in the short term either, as it is always much easier to rage bait these people than it is to sell something positive.
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Reminds me of when Biden tried to cancel student loans in America and there was a ton of backlash along the lines of "I had to pay mine off, why should they get theirs for free".
Instead of thinking "it was very difficult and expensive to pay off my student loans, I don't want anyone else to experience that" it was instead "this isn't fair wahhhhhh".
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 minutes ago
We're just crabs in a bucket
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Yes but some of us crabs are looking up at the stars
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
I've always thought the biggest problem in this country is that people would rather see something taken away from someone else, than improve their own lot.
This is why policies to take away benefits or make things worse for a particular group are always popular amongst the lower educated. The thinking is never positive about how can they vote to get improvements to the public services they use, it is always to take away something that someone else will get that they don't.
Its unlikely this will ever change in the short term either, as it is always much easier to rage bait these people than it is to sell something positive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Reminds me of when Biden tried to cancel student loans in America and there was a ton of backlash along the lines of "I had to pay mine off, why should they get theirs for free".
Instead of thinking "it was very difficult and expensive to pay off my student loans, I don't want anyone else to experience that" it was instead "this isn't fair wahhhhhh".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It happens in all parts of life too. At my work, the electric car charging used to be free. Then people with ICE cars complained that they didn't get free fuel so why should charging be free, so now everyone has to pay to charge their car at work.
Rather than thinking about how they could use the benefit in the future, they just took it away from others who got it.
Massive laugh out loud moment as it finally dawns on him that walking around calling people Tory SCCUM isn’t when they express any opinion different to him, let alone are actually right wingers, doesn’t actually help.
He got there in the end.
Have been saying that for years, and also since Starmer came into power, how disappointing it is that they’re chasing the Farage narrative instead of focusing on their own one.
I think it comes down to Brexit.
If the government grew a backbone and started saying what we all know about that monumental act of self harm, then they would grab some initiative and freedom to set a new narrative.
Would every voter like it? No. But the chances are that those who have decided to vote for reform wouldn’t vote for Labour whatever they do. So fack them, and get on with leading the country by your own standards rather than someone else’s.
People are just selfish cuuunts basically.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
I've always thought the biggest problem in this country is that people would rather see something taken away from someone else, than improve their own lot.
This is why policies to take away benefits or make things worse for a particular group are always popular amongst the lower educated. The thinking is never positive about how can they vote to get improvements to the public services they use, it is always to take away something that someone else will get that they don't.
Its unlikely this will ever change in the short term either, as it is always much easier to rage bait these people than it is to sell something positive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Reminds me of when Biden tried to cancel student loans in America and there was a ton of backlash along the lines of "I had to pay mine off, why should they get theirs for free".
Instead of thinking "it was very difficult and expensive to pay off my student loans, I don't want anyone else to experience that" it was instead "this isn't fair wahhhhhh".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It happens in all parts of life too. At my work, the electric car charging used to be free. Then people with ICE cars complained that they didn't get free fuel so why should charging be free, so now everyone has to pay to charge their car at work.
Rather than thinking about how they could use the benefit in the future, they just took it away from others who got it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, it’s like when old people say the youth just need to stop buying NetFlix, rather than acknowledge that the cost of living is vastly different, purely on the basis that after a WORLD WAR, things were a bit tight.
I long for a party that sells a positive future with policies to make the country better in an inclusive way. Unfortunately, they will always be shouted down as fear mongering and rage baiting is easier and the narrative is controlled by those who benefit from keeping people divided.
In a way I'm pleased no one is arguing against the possibility of Reform winning the next GE. That was the kind of mistake made with Brexit and it only galvanised the Leave vote.
My hope is that before the next GE the policies being implemented by Labour actually reduce boat crossings and the wind gets taken out of Reform's sails (pun intended). I have to say though I would be far more confident of a Blair/Brown Labour government achieving that than a Starmer/Reeves one.
comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 25 minutes ago
The country needs skilled immigrants, not just delivery bike riders
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Isn’t driving considered a skill?
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My granny could ride a bicycle, it’s hardly up there with being a neurosurgeon
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
I long for a party that sells a positive future with policies to make the country better in an inclusive way. Unfortunately, they will always be shouted down as fear mongering and rage baiting is easier and the narrative is controlled by those who benefit from keeping people divided.
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I don’t want to get all George Carlin and ‘The illusion of choice’ but it’s hard not to think we’ve gone that way somewhat.
I’m hopeful Corbyn can put something together with his new party.
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 2 minutes ago
In a way I'm pleased no one is arguing against the possibility of Reform winning the next GE. That was the kind of mistake made with Brexit and it only galvanised the Leave vote.
My hope is that before the next GE the policies being implemented by Labour actually reduce boat crossings and the wind gets taken out of Reform's sails (pun intended). I have to say though I would be far more confident of a Blair/Brown Labour government achieving that than a Starmer/Reeves one.
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I think it is going down as well isn’t it?
Corbyn will either just split the vote and allow Reform in unfortunately or his party will just be the next Change UK.
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 2 minutes ago
In a way I'm pleased no one is arguing against the possibility of Reform winning the next GE. That was the kind of mistake made with Brexit and it only galvanised the Leave vote.
My hope is that before the next GE the policies being implemented by Labour actually reduce boat crossings and the wind gets taken out of Reform's sails (pun intended). I have to say though I would be far more confident of a Blair/Brown Labour government achieving that than a Starmer/Reeves one.
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I think it is going down as well isn’t it?
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Not the boat crossings no. The amount of claimants being processed and those being deported is going up, as is the reduction in hotels being used, but those being triggered by Farage won't care about that as long as the boat numbers remain at current levels.
Corbyn would be lucky to get more than 3% of the vote.
A lot of older people, the ones most likely to go to a polling booth, will remember him from the 70s and 80s when he always sided with the enemies of Britain
It was easy to scare the population off him with a major party behind him. He stands no chance going alone outside of his constituency.
The percentage of vote he will get, will just be enough to flip swing constituencies to the right.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
Corbyn will either just split the vote and allow Reform in unfortunately or his party will just be the next Change UK.
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Perhaps, but in the long run this will be good for the country. We currently have two parties competing who is more right wing than the other and they're both trailing the most right wing party in the country.
A genuine left wing party is needed.
For instance, a party that can actually call out Israel and state unashamedly that they are committing genocide would be a breathe of fresh air. A party that can try to stand against and fight agendas in Parliament and the corridors of power, oppose the war machine and military industrial complex, oppose the economic sabotage of nations and robbery of resources etc.
We’re a centrist country, a hard left party would get as much support as a hard right one and neither would ever form a government
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
We’re a centrist country, a hard left party would get as much support as a hard right one and neither would ever form a government
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Who said anything about hard left?
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
We’re a centrist country, a hard left party would get as much support as a hard right one and neither would ever form a government
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Who said anything about hard left?
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Everyone who’s mentioned Corbyn
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 2 minutes ago
In a way I'm pleased no one is arguing against the possibility of Reform winning the next GE. That was the kind of mistake made with Brexit and it only galvanised the Leave vote.
My hope is that before the next GE the policies being implemented by Labour actually reduce boat crossings and the wind gets taken out of Reform's sails (pun intended). I have to say though I would be far more confident of a Blair/Brown Labour government achieving that than a Starmer/Reeves one.
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I think it is going down as well isn’t it?
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Not the boat crossings no. The amount of claimants being processed and those being deported is going up, as is the reduction in hotels being used, but those being triggered by Farage won't care about that as long as the boat numbers remain at current levels.
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Even if boat numbers reduce they'll just move on to some other thing so long as black and brown people keep coming here.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
We’re a centrist country, a hard left party would get as much support as a hard right one and neither would ever form a government
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Who said anything about hard left?
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Everyone who’s mentioned Corbyn
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OK.
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted less than a minute ago
For instance, a party that can actually call out Israel and state unashamedly that they are committing genocide would be a breathe of fresh air. A party that can try to stand against and fight agendas in Parliament and the corridors of power, oppose the war machine and military industrial complex, oppose the economic sabotage of nations and robbery of resources etc.
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That's a recipe doomed to fail I'm afraid.
He'd be far better off focusing on domestic politics - inproving workers rights, raising ppl out of poverty, improving public services etc, going after tax avoidance/evasion of big business etc.
Ending Tax Avoidance would be a huge vote winner if the public could see the money being channeled straight into the NHS or infrastructure
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 2 minutes ago
In a way I'm pleased no one is arguing against the possibility of Reform winning the next GE. That was the kind of mistake made with Brexit and it only galvanised the Leave vote.
My hope is that before the next GE the policies being implemented by Labour actually reduce boat crossings and the wind gets taken out of Reform's sails (pun intended). I have to say though I would be far more confident of a Blair/Brown Labour government achieving that than a Starmer/Reeves one.
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I think it is going down as well isn’t it?
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Not the boat crossings no. The amount of claimants being processed and those being deported is going up, as is the reduction in hotels being used, but those being triggered by Farage won't care about that as long as the boat numbers remain at current levels.
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Even if boat numbers reduce they'll just move on to some other thing so long as black and brown people keep coming here.
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If they reduce boat crossings and the economy improves and ppl feel better off I don't think the "waverers" will move to Reform. There's nothing that can be done about the dye in the wool types but they're a small minority.
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posted on 27/8/25
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
I've always thought the biggest problem in this country is that people would rather see something taken away from someone else, than improve their own lot.
This is why policies to take away benefits or make things worse for a particular group are always popular amongst the lower educated. The thinking is never positive about how can they vote to get improvements to the public services they use, it is always to take away something that someone else will get that they don't.
Its unlikely this will ever change in the short term either, as it is always much easier to rage bait these people than it is to sell something positive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Reminds me of when Biden tried to cancel student loans in America and there was a ton of backlash along the lines of "I had to pay mine off, why should they get theirs for free".
Instead of thinking "it was very difficult and expensive to pay off my student loans, I don't want anyone else to experience that" it was instead "this isn't fair wahhhhhh".
posted on 27/8/25
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 minutes ago
We're just crabs in a bucket
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Yes but some of us crabs are looking up at the stars
posted on 27/8/25
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
I've always thought the biggest problem in this country is that people would rather see something taken away from someone else, than improve their own lot.
This is why policies to take away benefits or make things worse for a particular group are always popular amongst the lower educated. The thinking is never positive about how can they vote to get improvements to the public services they use, it is always to take away something that someone else will get that they don't.
Its unlikely this will ever change in the short term either, as it is always much easier to rage bait these people than it is to sell something positive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Reminds me of when Biden tried to cancel student loans in America and there was a ton of backlash along the lines of "I had to pay mine off, why should they get theirs for free".
Instead of thinking "it was very difficult and expensive to pay off my student loans, I don't want anyone else to experience that" it was instead "this isn't fair wahhhhhh".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It happens in all parts of life too. At my work, the electric car charging used to be free. Then people with ICE cars complained that they didn't get free fuel so why should charging be free, so now everyone has to pay to charge their car at work.
Rather than thinking about how they could use the benefit in the future, they just took it away from others who got it.
posted on 27/8/25
Massive laugh out loud moment as it finally dawns on him that walking around calling people Tory SCCUM isn’t when they express any opinion different to him, let alone are actually right wingers, doesn’t actually help.
He got there in the end.
Have been saying that for years, and also since Starmer came into power, how disappointing it is that they’re chasing the Farage narrative instead of focusing on their own one.
I think it comes down to Brexit.
If the government grew a backbone and started saying what we all know about that monumental act of self harm, then they would grab some initiative and freedom to set a new narrative.
Would every voter like it? No. But the chances are that those who have decided to vote for reform wouldn’t vote for Labour whatever they do. So fack them, and get on with leading the country by your own standards rather than someone else’s.
posted on 27/8/25
People are just selfish cuuunts basically.
posted on 27/8/25
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 9 minutes ago
I've always thought the biggest problem in this country is that people would rather see something taken away from someone else, than improve their own lot.
This is why policies to take away benefits or make things worse for a particular group are always popular amongst the lower educated. The thinking is never positive about how can they vote to get improvements to the public services they use, it is always to take away something that someone else will get that they don't.
Its unlikely this will ever change in the short term either, as it is always much easier to rage bait these people than it is to sell something positive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Reminds me of when Biden tried to cancel student loans in America and there was a ton of backlash along the lines of "I had to pay mine off, why should they get theirs for free".
Instead of thinking "it was very difficult and expensive to pay off my student loans, I don't want anyone else to experience that" it was instead "this isn't fair wahhhhhh".
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It happens in all parts of life too. At my work, the electric car charging used to be free. Then people with ICE cars complained that they didn't get free fuel so why should charging be free, so now everyone has to pay to charge their car at work.
Rather than thinking about how they could use the benefit in the future, they just took it away from others who got it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, it’s like when old people say the youth just need to stop buying NetFlix, rather than acknowledge that the cost of living is vastly different, purely on the basis that after a WORLD WAR, things were a bit tight.
posted on 27/8/25
I long for a party that sells a positive future with policies to make the country better in an inclusive way. Unfortunately, they will always be shouted down as fear mongering and rage baiting is easier and the narrative is controlled by those who benefit from keeping people divided.
posted on 27/8/25
In a way I'm pleased no one is arguing against the possibility of Reform winning the next GE. That was the kind of mistake made with Brexit and it only galvanised the Leave vote.
My hope is that before the next GE the policies being implemented by Labour actually reduce boat crossings and the wind gets taken out of Reform's sails (pun intended). I have to say though I would be far more confident of a Blair/Brown Labour government achieving that than a Starmer/Reeves one.
posted on 27/8/25
comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 25 minutes ago
The country needs skilled immigrants, not just delivery bike riders
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Isn’t driving considered a skill?
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My granny could ride a bicycle, it’s hardly up there with being a neurosurgeon
posted on 27/8/25
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
I long for a party that sells a positive future with policies to make the country better in an inclusive way. Unfortunately, they will always be shouted down as fear mongering and rage baiting is easier and the narrative is controlled by those who benefit from keeping people divided.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t want to get all George Carlin and ‘The illusion of choice’ but it’s hard not to think we’ve gone that way somewhat.
I’m hopeful Corbyn can put something together with his new party.
posted on 27/8/25
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 2 minutes ago
In a way I'm pleased no one is arguing against the possibility of Reform winning the next GE. That was the kind of mistake made with Brexit and it only galvanised the Leave vote.
My hope is that before the next GE the policies being implemented by Labour actually reduce boat crossings and the wind gets taken out of Reform's sails (pun intended). I have to say though I would be far more confident of a Blair/Brown Labour government achieving that than a Starmer/Reeves one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it is going down as well isn’t it?
posted on 27/8/25
Corbyn will either just split the vote and allow Reform in unfortunately or his party will just be the next Change UK.
posted on 27/8/25
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 2 minutes ago
In a way I'm pleased no one is arguing against the possibility of Reform winning the next GE. That was the kind of mistake made with Brexit and it only galvanised the Leave vote.
My hope is that before the next GE the policies being implemented by Labour actually reduce boat crossings and the wind gets taken out of Reform's sails (pun intended). I have to say though I would be far more confident of a Blair/Brown Labour government achieving that than a Starmer/Reeves one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it is going down as well isn’t it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not the boat crossings no. The amount of claimants being processed and those being deported is going up, as is the reduction in hotels being used, but those being triggered by Farage won't care about that as long as the boat numbers remain at current levels.
posted on 27/8/25
Corbyn would be lucky to get more than 3% of the vote.
A lot of older people, the ones most likely to go to a polling booth, will remember him from the 70s and 80s when he always sided with the enemies of Britain
posted on 27/8/25
It was easy to scare the population off him with a major party behind him. He stands no chance going alone outside of his constituency.
The percentage of vote he will get, will just be enough to flip swing constituencies to the right.
posted on 27/8/25
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
Corbyn will either just split the vote and allow Reform in unfortunately or his party will just be the next Change UK.
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Perhaps, but in the long run this will be good for the country. We currently have two parties competing who is more right wing than the other and they're both trailing the most right wing party in the country.
A genuine left wing party is needed.
posted on 27/8/25
For instance, a party that can actually call out Israel and state unashamedly that they are committing genocide would be a breathe of fresh air. A party that can try to stand against and fight agendas in Parliament and the corridors of power, oppose the war machine and military industrial complex, oppose the economic sabotage of nations and robbery of resources etc.
posted on 27/8/25
We’re a centrist country, a hard left party would get as much support as a hard right one and neither would ever form a government
posted on 27/8/25
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
We’re a centrist country, a hard left party would get as much support as a hard right one and neither would ever form a government
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Who said anything about hard left?
posted on 27/8/25
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
We’re a centrist country, a hard left party would get as much support as a hard right one and neither would ever form a government
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Who said anything about hard left?
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Everyone who’s mentioned Corbyn
posted on 27/8/25
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 2 minutes ago
In a way I'm pleased no one is arguing against the possibility of Reform winning the next GE. That was the kind of mistake made with Brexit and it only galvanised the Leave vote.
My hope is that before the next GE the policies being implemented by Labour actually reduce boat crossings and the wind gets taken out of Reform's sails (pun intended). I have to say though I would be far more confident of a Blair/Brown Labour government achieving that than a Starmer/Reeves one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it is going down as well isn’t it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not the boat crossings no. The amount of claimants being processed and those being deported is going up, as is the reduction in hotels being used, but those being triggered by Farage won't care about that as long as the boat numbers remain at current levels.
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Even if boat numbers reduce they'll just move on to some other thing so long as black and brown people keep coming here.
posted on 27/8/25
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
We’re a centrist country, a hard left party would get as much support as a hard right one and neither would ever form a government
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Who said anything about hard left?
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Everyone who’s mentioned Corbyn
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OK.
posted on 27/8/25
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted less than a minute ago
For instance, a party that can actually call out Israel and state unashamedly that they are committing genocide would be a breathe of fresh air. A party that can try to stand against and fight agendas in Parliament and the corridors of power, oppose the war machine and military industrial complex, oppose the economic sabotage of nations and robbery of resources etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a recipe doomed to fail I'm afraid.
He'd be far better off focusing on domestic politics - inproving workers rights, raising ppl out of poverty, improving public services etc, going after tax avoidance/evasion of big business etc.
posted on 27/8/25
Ending Tax Avoidance would be a huge vote winner if the public could see the money being channeled straight into the NHS or infrastructure
posted on 27/8/25
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 2 minutes ago
In a way I'm pleased no one is arguing against the possibility of Reform winning the next GE. That was the kind of mistake made with Brexit and it only galvanised the Leave vote.
My hope is that before the next GE the policies being implemented by Labour actually reduce boat crossings and the wind gets taken out of Reform's sails (pun intended). I have to say though I would be far more confident of a Blair/Brown Labour government achieving that than a Starmer/Reeves one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it is going down as well isn’t it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not the boat crossings no. The amount of claimants being processed and those being deported is going up, as is the reduction in hotels being used, but those being triggered by Farage won't care about that as long as the boat numbers remain at current levels.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even if boat numbers reduce they'll just move on to some other thing so long as black and brown people keep coming here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If they reduce boat crossings and the economy improves and ppl feel better off I don't think the "waverers" will move to Reform. There's nothing that can be done about the dye in the wool types but they're a small minority.
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