I would sacrifice 10% possession for a few more shots on goal that’s for sure. There are a lot of players learning on the job in that Forest team sonIncanr be disheartened. Hope Karanka can coax a little more out of the likes of Vaughan and Bridcutt to drive the team on a little better than they have been doing. If not, I hope he can bring in a Leadbitter who can drag the team up a notch or two.
Both Leadbitter and Ayala played today so they're off the list.
I’d rather us have these poor games now while the window is open than have a new manager bounce that plasters over the issues till next month. Leadership and physicality were glaringly lacking from the team today.
There was effort, but with an absolute lack of composure. From his post match talk he sees this as a weakness, and you’ve gotta hope that unlike warburton, karanka addresses these problems at some point.
Karanka started Wednesday so it’s abit much to stamp any kind of style into the team. Bar the fullbacks, we were, atleast defensively, more disciplined which seems to be the common groundwork for karanka.
I guess we’ll see
I still think the DMs need to improve. Whoever plays there they don't seem to work as a pair, both seem to be chasing the same ball/players at times which just wastes energy. Doesn't help that the pairing is constantly changing.
Experienced Reds - Lichaj, Mills, Mancienne, Traore, Vaughan, Osborn.
Rookies - Smith, Cash, Dowell, Brereton, Clough (?)
So we can't really use lack of experience as an excuse. What we lack more than anything is organisation and a leader on the pitch.
The problem is the experienced players, by and large, are inconsistent.
Particularly Mills, Mancienne, Traore and Vaughan (Vaughan due to fitness and injury) are unpredictable over the course of a season.
Add to that Hobbs and Fox and you have a huge amount of wages going out for little consistent contribution.
Agree Bunk.
I think Hobbs will be allowed to leave when his contract expires. I feel a bit sorry for him actually. If he had not had endless fitness/injury problems he would have been the best defender we have had for many years. And he could have been a good captain.
But you know what they say - "It is what it is"
Even without Hobbs we could still put together a decent back four barring injuries that would get us through most games and I expect us to get a few more clean sheets in the second half of the season now Karanka is here.
I think an out-and-out second striker would make a difference. Neither Brereton or Murphy look like twenty a season men at the moment. But maybe if we played both together up front they would cause a lot of problems. As it was Chester and Terry had a comfortable afternoon/evening.
That was the frustrating thing about that match and so many before this season. So much possession but barely created a chance. A Villa review labelled Forest as having an obsession with possession. They noted that Forest had over 60% possession for the tenth time this season on Saturday. They have lost eight of those games.
The longer the game went on, the more Villa looked comfortable with what Forest were trying. Really need to change it up a bit. The current trend is for one up front but it doesn’t really lend itself to Forest unless they can get players in around the forward swiftly. That happened initially in the Villa match but they countered it by dropping off deep and the play dried up for Forest.
Hobbs had a few spells where he looked dominant in the centre of defence for Forest but as his career went on, you found yourself waiting for him to pull up more and more often. A real shame but I guess Hull knew what they were doing when they sold him to Forest.
It was bottom face who sold Hobbs to us as well, for a large fee as I recall.
Do we need another reason to despise Bruce?...
Mind the gap Will
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/form/matches:8/type:home-and-away/
Baz
comment by Iwaslevel (U4836)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
Mind the gap Will
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/form/matches:8/type:home-and-away/
Baz
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posted on 13/1/18
I would sacrifice 10% possession for a few more shots on goal that’s for sure. There are a lot of players learning on the job in that Forest team sonIncanr be disheartened. Hope Karanka can coax a little more out of the likes of Vaughan and Bridcutt to drive the team on a little better than they have been doing. If not, I hope he can bring in a Leadbitter who can drag the team up a notch or two.
posted on 13/1/18
Both Leadbitter and Ayala played today so they're off the list.
posted on 14/1/18
I’d rather us have these poor games now while the window is open than have a new manager bounce that plasters over the issues till next month. Leadership and physicality were glaringly lacking from the team today.
There was effort, but with an absolute lack of composure. From his post match talk he sees this as a weakness, and you’ve gotta hope that unlike warburton, karanka addresses these problems at some point.
Karanka started Wednesday so it’s abit much to stamp any kind of style into the team. Bar the fullbacks, we were, atleast defensively, more disciplined which seems to be the common groundwork for karanka.
I guess we’ll see
posted on 14/1/18
I still think the DMs need to improve. Whoever plays there they don't seem to work as a pair, both seem to be chasing the same ball/players at times which just wastes energy. Doesn't help that the pairing is constantly changing.
posted on 14/1/18
Experienced Reds - Lichaj, Mills, Mancienne, Traore, Vaughan, Osborn.
Rookies - Smith, Cash, Dowell, Brereton, Clough (?)
So we can't really use lack of experience as an excuse. What we lack more than anything is organisation and a leader on the pitch.
posted on 14/1/18
The problem is the experienced players, by and large, are inconsistent.
Particularly Mills, Mancienne, Traore and Vaughan (Vaughan due to fitness and injury) are unpredictable over the course of a season.
Add to that Hobbs and Fox and you have a huge amount of wages going out for little consistent contribution.
posted on 15/1/18
Agree Bunk.
I think Hobbs will be allowed to leave when his contract expires. I feel a bit sorry for him actually. If he had not had endless fitness/injury problems he would have been the best defender we have had for many years. And he could have been a good captain.
But you know what they say - "It is what it is"
Even without Hobbs we could still put together a decent back four barring injuries that would get us through most games and I expect us to get a few more clean sheets in the second half of the season now Karanka is here.
I think an out-and-out second striker would make a difference. Neither Brereton or Murphy look like twenty a season men at the moment. But maybe if we played both together up front they would cause a lot of problems. As it was Chester and Terry had a comfortable afternoon/evening.
posted on 15/1/18
That was the frustrating thing about that match and so many before this season. So much possession but barely created a chance. A Villa review labelled Forest as having an obsession with possession. They noted that Forest had over 60% possession for the tenth time this season on Saturday. They have lost eight of those games.
posted on 15/1/18
The longer the game went on, the more Villa looked comfortable with what Forest were trying. Really need to change it up a bit. The current trend is for one up front but it doesn’t really lend itself to Forest unless they can get players in around the forward swiftly. That happened initially in the Villa match but they countered it by dropping off deep and the play dried up for Forest.
posted on 15/1/18
Hobbs had a few spells where he looked dominant in the centre of defence for Forest but as his career went on, you found yourself waiting for him to pull up more and more often. A real shame but I guess Hull knew what they were doing when they sold him to Forest.
posted on 15/1/18
It was bottom face who sold Hobbs to us as well, for a large fee as I recall.
posted on 15/1/18
Do we need another reason to despise Bruce?...
posted on 16/1/18
Mind the gap Will
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/form/matches:8/type:home-and-away/
Baz
posted on 16/1/18
comment by Iwaslevel (U4836)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
Mind the gap Will
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/form/matches:8/type:home-and-away/
Baz
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