I’m sure Lovren did not play last 2 games. We need to also accept that Matip is another donkey.

And how many season’s should he get...., to get it right ?

And what would be defined as ‘right’ ?

I thought Klopp could write a book on defending......

Seems like it’s a book on making excuses

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 3 minutes ago
I thought Klopp could write a book on defending......

Seems like it’s a book on making excuses
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Maybe it is a book on how to defend stupidly

He doesn't seem to get it right though

no Lovren didnt play, but hes played enough games for all of us to know that hes nowhere near good enough.

If we dont finish top 4which is a strong possiblity serious questions need to be asked of Klopp. But the team was poor tonight this feels a bit like dejavu like this month last season only hopefully we finish in the top 4 or it be a bad season. Another trophyless season and VVd looked like hes actching he bad efneding we are at. The players need to step up and take looks at thmeselves something needs to give.

Post match interview:

https://youtu.be/uVnYWN0W4uU

Just like against Swansea, Klopp looked weirdly subdued on the touch line.

My honest opinion is that Klopp hasn’t learnt quickly enough. I think he came to the epl and thought he could succeed in attacking talent alone and that average defenders would be enough if the attack was good enough. Now I don’t actually blame him for that, it could be argued Pep came with the same attitude. The difference is that it took Pep one year to figure out that wasn’t the case and make changes. Klopp has seemed stubbornly resistant to that realisation.

He’s invested heavily in VVD so perhaps the penny has dropped. I actually like Robertson and Clyne is solid when fit. Goalkeeper is an issue, no two ways about it. Potentially a CB partner for VVD? Although I still think there’s a player in Matip and I really rate Gomez.

As for Klopp being under pressure, that’s madness imo. We are a club with proud tradition but ultimately we’re in a league with 4 of the richest clubs in the world, including the richest and two sugar daddy clubs. I don’t expect league wins, I just expect progress and I think we we’re looking better year on year. That said, Klopp’s record in the domestic cups is pretty poor. I’d love that to change!

You won your cup final against Man City.

comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the Mané - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 5 hours, 9 minutes ago
I’m sure Lovren did not play last 2 games. We need to also accept that Matip is another donkey.
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And Van Dijk

Maybe the players are absolutely knackered due to Klopp thinking that you can just almost literally run all over the opposition. No doubt the pressing game will trouble the opposition and deliver results, but it will also tire your own team out. Heavy metal football might work okay in Germany, where the opposition is generally awful and defensively compliant, but in England, that isn't so much the case. So you expend more energy with less guaranteed results.

Maybe Clippety is concentrating on the PL title this year.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/klopp-i-could-write-a-book-defending

comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 16 minutes ago
Maybe Clippety is concentrating on the PL title this year.
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Why is Mourinho?