Wasn't his fault - the team didn't go forward in the second half. It was an opportunity to score eight but they never looked like adding to the total and the 6th goal came from an accident rather than good play.
Kane > Rashford > Sterling > Welbeck > Vardy
For me right now in terms of English forwards
comment by xiuxiuejar (U6109)
posted 1 minute ago
Wasn't his fault - the team didn't go forward in the second half. It was an opportunity to score eight but they never looked like adding to the total and the 6th goal came from an accident rather than good play.
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It is his fault. It was the same against Costa Rica. When the game slows down you have to change your approach. Come deep into the space, make a pass for someone else - do something.
I understand that the game has slowed down and if he had been on the pitch for 10 mins I’d understand. But he was on the pitch for over 30 mins and barely had a touch. Same against Costa Rica where he showed absolutely nothing
WTF he did nothing wrong did not get an single opportunity for god sake we stormed the game and managed out the second half
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 1 minute ago
WTF he did nothing wrong did not get an single opportunity for god sake we stormed the game and managed out the second half
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Thanks for the one star nev as usual.
We managed out the second half but vardy isn’t doing anything to press his case. Did you see him against Costa Rica? We weren’t managing a game out then. Did nothing. Needs better movement, needs to press more, needs to have more than one dimension to his game
The premise that Kane offers more than Vardy and fits the style and system of this England team is a correct one. To derive that from any observations from this game, however, is a little strange.
Vardy played about half an hour when we spent about 20 minutes passing it between defenders with no inclination from anyone to break into a run from midfield.
Imagine if Vardy had played Kane’s role today. He scored 2 penalties and a third from a ball that hit him. Vardy might well have managed something similar.
If we’re picking out someone who has had plenty of opportunity over the last two games, but failed to convince: it’s Raheem Sterling!
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 7 seconds ago
The premise that Kane offers more than Vardy and fits the style and system of this England team is a correct one. To derive that from any observations from this game, however, is a little strange.
Vardy played about half an hour when we spent about 20 minutes passing it between defenders with no inclination from anyone to break into a run from midfield.
Imagine if Vardy had played Kane’s role today. He scored 2 penalties and a third from a ball that hit him. Vardy might well have managed something similar.
If we’re picking out someone who has had plenty of opportunity over the last two games, but failed to convince: it’s Raheem Sterling!
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I completely agree on Sterling bu the way, but think back to the Costa Rica game where Vardy started. Defenders weren’t passing it between themselves then.
The argument I’m making isn’t that Kane is better than Vardy in today’s evidence. That’s been evident for the past 2 years. It’s that Vardy isn’t offering anything other than looking for a ball over the top that isn’t going to come.
He was on the pitch for over 30 mins Joby. He played over 60 mins against Costa Rica - a game he started where he made no case to be selected alongside Kane at all
Yes, if you take the Costa Rica game and his overall performances then I’d agree that he’s not offered enough to push his case.
My biggest disappointment is that he’s failed to develop his all round game that would mean he could play as a wide forward or support striker. That puts him behind Rashford and Welbeck in that respect and also means he can only play as an alternative to Kane.
Yep absolutely agree Joby and that’s my frustration. I love what he does for Leicester - he’s a legend but sadly he hasn’t developed into a striker England can utilise on a regular basis
The only good thing is that Vards will be able to tell his grandchildren that he's played in a World Cup match. That in itself is am amazing achievement for him.
comment by K. P. Filbert (U11680)
posted 9 minutes ago
The only good thing is that Vards will be able to tell his grandchildren that he's played in a World Cup match. That in itself is am amazing achievement for him.
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This is very true
I think we need to look at the positives. LCFC had two representatives playing for England at the World Cup today
Thats the first one star for a long time and the only other one in recent history was the great one star massacre.
Did you contact admin to check.
You deserve it. I know you don't see many games and i am guessing Joby neither but,WTF is his overall game have you not seen that Puel has changed him into a fox in the box and FFS he score twenty goals again!!!! iI'm fuffing fed up about some attitudes to him,he's no Harry Kane who is leading the way to the golden boot.
But he is FFS the best Fuffing Striker we have had since GL so yes one Fuffing star for talking sheet and now getting banged.
Resorting to the insults again Nev because you’re struggling to make your case.
This isn’t about his contribution to Leicester which is unparalleled. He’s brilliant for us. One of my favourite players. But as usual you have struggled to string together any coherent counter arguement other than being mortally offended because I’m criticising one of our own players
And you don’t know how many matches me and Joby watch - so best not to comment on that really
Blackstarr; I have to say, over the last 2 or 3 months, I have noticed that you seem to be on a real downer with anything to do with Leicester. I'm not sure if it's because of our disjointed end to the season, and I know you're convinced we're going down next season, but it does sometimes feel that you're overly negative (and you're not alone btw...). We're going through the golden age of our club's recent history; I do fear that when it eventually ends, some fans will regret not appreciating these times more.
Anyway, on topic; I think the problem with Vardy when he's at England is that the team around him are set up to play to Kane's strengths, not Vardy's. When Vardy comes on or starts, the set up of the team doesn't change. There's nobody in that England team who can play those long, floaty balls for him to chase on to (Henderson maybe). Vardy is a bit of a one trick pony in that he isn't great at holding it up or playing with his back to goal, which Kane is exceptional at, nor is he likely to score from 20+ yards (Liverpool in 2016 the exception). Vardy's most likely success for England will probably be in the latter stages when we're defending deep and looking to counter attack, rather than the matches against Costa Rica and Panama where they defend deep. Whether he will get those opportunities, and whether England will have the players on the pitch to create the chances for him, remains to been seen.
One thing's for sure - if he's had the chances that Sterling and Lingard had in the first game, he would be going for the golden boot.
Foxello - this thread is nothing to do with Leicester despite Nevs best attempts to make is so.
I’m down on Leicester precisely because I see the good times you’re talking about coming to an end unless we change our approach. Part of that approach is changing in that we have had a good window so far. I still think Puel will need to leave Leicester for us to really blossom - but if I’m wrong, far from floating like some posters do, is be delighted
On Vardy - I tend to agree except for that fact that the onus is on Vardy to be more adaptable to nail down a starting place. He just doesn’t seem capable of that for England
Or gloating even. Floating would be ok as well
I obviously agree with Joby.
But to add my views, I wish Southgate had given game time to Rashford and Vardy together today. Keep pushing Panama and get some confidence in the players that will come on to change games.
But Southgate chose tomomce againnprotect Sterling and give him the opportunity to improve. He didn’t and was utterly hopeless again today. However I respect Southgate for that. I like that he’s got the team bought in to his ideas and he won’t move from them.
Fair play, but it means Vardy is pretty pointless in that squad.
He’s still better than Sterling and Welbeck though!
BS
So answer the questions do you actual watch games if you did you see that Puel is helping improve his game as a fox in the box so thats my excact argument to what hew can do for England.
You Joby and Mersey are the one trick pony round here same argument should we sell Vardy then reversing position.
Puel will get the chance you don't want and Vardy will get his chance and take it.
I'm not mortally offended my swearing was a joke at your ignorance of what you are talking about.
watch Vardys goals this season that arn't the last man role off the defender another part of the game.
Not that I need to justify myself here as I believe that opinions are valid whether you go to games or not. For the record I am a season ticket holder and would bet that I have witnessed Vardy playing live many times more than Nev, home and away, since he was signed.
If you actually bother to read my posts and views on Vardy rather than making sweeping statements on anybody who disagrees with your view: you'd know I rate the guy highly. I don't question his value or abilities for Leicester and consistently defend him against uniformed views from fans of other teams.
I do question his value in this England team and in this system. It's a shame he can't adapt his style more effectively to different positions and in different systems. This means that Rashford might well push ahead of him.
I still think, however, that he's offered at least as much as Sterling who has been given much more opportunity to settle into the side and find his role.
When did I ever suggest we sell Vardy nev? Think with all your furious typing you’ve got me confused with someone else
Just adds more weight to how you can’t make a properly constructed argument on here. It’s why most posters laugh at your expense
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 1 minute ago
Not that I need to justify myself here as I believe that opinions are valid whether you go to games or not. For the record I am a season ticket holder and would bet that I have witnessed Vardy playing live many times more than Nev, home and away, since he was signed.
If you actually bother to read my posts and views on Vardy rather than making sweeping statements on anybody who disagrees with your view: you'd know I rate the guy highly. I don't question his value or abilities for Leicester and consistently defend him against uniformed views from fans of other teams.
I do question his value in this England team and in this system. It's a shame he can't adapt his style more effectively to different positions and in different systems. This means that Rashford might well push ahead of him.
I still think, however, that he's offered at least as much as Sterling who has been given much more opportunity to settle into the side and find his role.
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Nailed it. Nev once again is all over the place.
Don't want to spoil you love in but really ?
Joby so you went to every game and you did not notice any changes in how vardy played this season?
BS not everything is about you you did not post the article about selling Vardy.
Read don't just react as for getting nailed it like being slapped in the face with a feather duster.
Now back to the real world where the sun is out England have two LCFC player on the pitch at the same time a LCFC player has become the first to score and doubled it for Nigeria.
Enjoy your doom and gloom about our club fella's
I'm kind of with Nev on this one. Against Costa Rica he didn't really do himself any favours, but I don't see what else he could have done against Panama. The rest of the team weren't particularly interested in attacking for the last half an hour. It was as if they realised what was happening with the goal difference and figured they'd actually prefer finishing second in the group.
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posted on 24/6/18
Wasn't his fault - the team didn't go forward in the second half. It was an opportunity to score eight but they never looked like adding to the total and the 6th goal came from an accident rather than good play.
posted on 24/6/18
Kane > Rashford > Sterling > Welbeck > Vardy
For me right now in terms of English forwards
posted on 24/6/18
comment by xiuxiuejar (U6109)
posted 1 minute ago
Wasn't his fault - the team didn't go forward in the second half. It was an opportunity to score eight but they never looked like adding to the total and the 6th goal came from an accident rather than good play.
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It is his fault. It was the same against Costa Rica. When the game slows down you have to change your approach. Come deep into the space, make a pass for someone else - do something.
I understand that the game has slowed down and if he had been on the pitch for 10 mins I’d understand. But he was on the pitch for over 30 mins and barely had a touch. Same against Costa Rica where he showed absolutely nothing
posted on 24/6/18
WTF he did nothing wrong did not get an single opportunity for god sake we stormed the game and managed out the second half
posted on 24/6/18
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 1 minute ago
WTF he did nothing wrong did not get an single opportunity for god sake we stormed the game and managed out the second half
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Thanks for the one star nev as usual.
We managed out the second half but vardy isn’t doing anything to press his case. Did you see him against Costa Rica? We weren’t managing a game out then. Did nothing. Needs better movement, needs to press more, needs to have more than one dimension to his game
posted on 24/6/18
He's bloody awful.
posted on 24/6/18
The premise that Kane offers more than Vardy and fits the style and system of this England team is a correct one. To derive that from any observations from this game, however, is a little strange.
Vardy played about half an hour when we spent about 20 minutes passing it between defenders with no inclination from anyone to break into a run from midfield.
Imagine if Vardy had played Kane’s role today. He scored 2 penalties and a third from a ball that hit him. Vardy might well have managed something similar.
If we’re picking out someone who has had plenty of opportunity over the last two games, but failed to convince: it’s Raheem Sterling!
posted on 24/6/18
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 7 seconds ago
The premise that Kane offers more than Vardy and fits the style and system of this England team is a correct one. To derive that from any observations from this game, however, is a little strange.
Vardy played about half an hour when we spent about 20 minutes passing it between defenders with no inclination from anyone to break into a run from midfield.
Imagine if Vardy had played Kane’s role today. He scored 2 penalties and a third from a ball that hit him. Vardy might well have managed something similar.
If we’re picking out someone who has had plenty of opportunity over the last two games, but failed to convince: it’s Raheem Sterling!
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I completely agree on Sterling bu the way, but think back to the Costa Rica game where Vardy started. Defenders weren’t passing it between themselves then.
The argument I’m making isn’t that Kane is better than Vardy in today’s evidence. That’s been evident for the past 2 years. It’s that Vardy isn’t offering anything other than looking for a ball over the top that isn’t going to come.
He was on the pitch for over 30 mins Joby. He played over 60 mins against Costa Rica - a game he started where he made no case to be selected alongside Kane at all
posted on 24/6/18
Yes, if you take the Costa Rica game and his overall performances then I’d agree that he’s not offered enough to push his case.
My biggest disappointment is that he’s failed to develop his all round game that would mean he could play as a wide forward or support striker. That puts him behind Rashford and Welbeck in that respect and also means he can only play as an alternative to Kane.
posted on 24/6/18
Yep absolutely agree Joby and that’s my frustration. I love what he does for Leicester - he’s a legend but sadly he hasn’t developed into a striker England can utilise on a regular basis
posted on 24/6/18
The only good thing is that Vards will be able to tell his grandchildren that he's played in a World Cup match. That in itself is am amazing achievement for him.
posted on 24/6/18
comment by K. P. Filbert (U11680)
posted 9 minutes ago
The only good thing is that Vards will be able to tell his grandchildren that he's played in a World Cup match. That in itself is am amazing achievement for him.
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This is very true
posted on 24/6/18
I think we need to look at the positives. LCFC had two representatives playing for England at the World Cup today
posted on 24/6/18
Thats the first one star for a long time and the only other one in recent history was the great one star massacre.
Did you contact admin to check.
You deserve it. I know you don't see many games and i am guessing Joby neither but,WTF is his overall game have you not seen that Puel has changed him into a fox in the box and FFS he score twenty goals again!!!! iI'm fuffing fed up about some attitudes to him,he's no Harry Kane who is leading the way to the golden boot.
But he is FFS the best Fuffing Striker we have had since GL so yes one Fuffing star for talking sheet and now getting banged.
posted on 24/6/18
Resorting to the insults again Nev because you’re struggling to make your case.
This isn’t about his contribution to Leicester which is unparalleled. He’s brilliant for us. One of my favourite players. But as usual you have struggled to string together any coherent counter arguement other than being mortally offended because I’m criticising one of our own players
And you don’t know how many matches me and Joby watch - so best not to comment on that really
posted on 24/6/18
Blackstarr; I have to say, over the last 2 or 3 months, I have noticed that you seem to be on a real downer with anything to do with Leicester. I'm not sure if it's because of our disjointed end to the season, and I know you're convinced we're going down next season, but it does sometimes feel that you're overly negative (and you're not alone btw...). We're going through the golden age of our club's recent history; I do fear that when it eventually ends, some fans will regret not appreciating these times more.
Anyway, on topic; I think the problem with Vardy when he's at England is that the team around him are set up to play to Kane's strengths, not Vardy's. When Vardy comes on or starts, the set up of the team doesn't change. There's nobody in that England team who can play those long, floaty balls for him to chase on to (Henderson maybe). Vardy is a bit of a one trick pony in that he isn't great at holding it up or playing with his back to goal, which Kane is exceptional at, nor is he likely to score from 20+ yards (Liverpool in 2016 the exception). Vardy's most likely success for England will probably be in the latter stages when we're defending deep and looking to counter attack, rather than the matches against Costa Rica and Panama where they defend deep. Whether he will get those opportunities, and whether England will have the players on the pitch to create the chances for him, remains to been seen.
One thing's for sure - if he's had the chances that Sterling and Lingard had in the first game, he would be going for the golden boot.
posted on 24/6/18
Foxello - this thread is nothing to do with Leicester despite Nevs best attempts to make is so.
I’m down on Leicester precisely because I see the good times you’re talking about coming to an end unless we change our approach. Part of that approach is changing in that we have had a good window so far. I still think Puel will need to leave Leicester for us to really blossom - but if I’m wrong, far from floating like some posters do, is be delighted
On Vardy - I tend to agree except for that fact that the onus is on Vardy to be more adaptable to nail down a starting place. He just doesn’t seem capable of that for England
posted on 24/6/18
Or gloating even. Floating would be ok as well
posted on 24/6/18
I obviously agree with Joby.
But to add my views, I wish Southgate had given game time to Rashford and Vardy together today. Keep pushing Panama and get some confidence in the players that will come on to change games.
But Southgate chose tomomce againnprotect Sterling and give him the opportunity to improve. He didn’t and was utterly hopeless again today. However I respect Southgate for that. I like that he’s got the team bought in to his ideas and he won’t move from them.
Fair play, but it means Vardy is pretty pointless in that squad.
He’s still better than Sterling and Welbeck though!
posted on 24/6/18
BS
So answer the questions do you actual watch games if you did you see that Puel is helping improve his game as a fox in the box so thats my excact argument to what hew can do for England.
You Joby and Mersey are the one trick pony round here same argument should we sell Vardy then reversing position.
Puel will get the chance you don't want and Vardy will get his chance and take it.
I'm not mortally offended my swearing was a joke at your ignorance of what you are talking about.
watch Vardys goals this season that arn't the last man role off the defender another part of the game.
posted on 24/6/18
Not that I need to justify myself here as I believe that opinions are valid whether you go to games or not. For the record I am a season ticket holder and would bet that I have witnessed Vardy playing live many times more than Nev, home and away, since he was signed.
If you actually bother to read my posts and views on Vardy rather than making sweeping statements on anybody who disagrees with your view: you'd know I rate the guy highly. I don't question his value or abilities for Leicester and consistently defend him against uniformed views from fans of other teams.
I do question his value in this England team and in this system. It's a shame he can't adapt his style more effectively to different positions and in different systems. This means that Rashford might well push ahead of him.
I still think, however, that he's offered at least as much as Sterling who has been given much more opportunity to settle into the side and find his role.
posted on 24/6/18
When did I ever suggest we sell Vardy nev? Think with all your furious typing you’ve got me confused with someone else
Just adds more weight to how you can’t make a properly constructed argument on here. It’s why most posters laugh at your expense
posted on 24/6/18
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 1 minute ago
Not that I need to justify myself here as I believe that opinions are valid whether you go to games or not. For the record I am a season ticket holder and would bet that I have witnessed Vardy playing live many times more than Nev, home and away, since he was signed.
If you actually bother to read my posts and views on Vardy rather than making sweeping statements on anybody who disagrees with your view: you'd know I rate the guy highly. I don't question his value or abilities for Leicester and consistently defend him against uniformed views from fans of other teams.
I do question his value in this England team and in this system. It's a shame he can't adapt his style more effectively to different positions and in different systems. This means that Rashford might well push ahead of him.
I still think, however, that he's offered at least as much as Sterling who has been given much more opportunity to settle into the side and find his role.
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Nailed it. Nev once again is all over the place.
posted on 25/6/18
Don't want to spoil you love in but really ?
Joby so you went to every game and you did not notice any changes in how vardy played this season?
BS not everything is about you you did not post the article about selling Vardy.
Read don't just react as for getting nailed it like being slapped in the face with a feather duster.
Now back to the real world where the sun is out England have two LCFC player on the pitch at the same time a LCFC player has become the first to score and doubled it for Nigeria.
Enjoy your doom and gloom about our club fella's
posted on 25/6/18
I'm kind of with Nev on this one. Against Costa Rica he didn't really do himself any favours, but I don't see what else he could have done against Panama. The rest of the team weren't particularly interested in attacking for the last half an hour. It was as if they realised what was happening with the goal difference and figured they'd actually prefer finishing second in the group.
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