Doubt he's any more doped than Roglic or Dumoulin though
Dumoulin clearly was knackered at the finish. Thomas jumped away as if he was on fresh legs.
Seen this way too many times, Armstrong was one of them, when it seems unbelievable, it mostly is.
The fact that Froome was acquitted for taking dope, just shows that the sport is a long way from being clean.
In all seriousness though, that was because Thomas just sat on his wheel as Dumoulin tried to reel Roglic in each time he broke.
I missed the Tourmalet climb, but watched all the way from the Soulor.
Dumoulin only tested the Sky riders once.
Other than that, it was Roglic trying to break time and again, and time and again Dumoulin was th first to respond.
Froome cracked and Thomas was left isolated, but Dumoulin did all his dirty work for him, I couldn0t believe it.
Rode like a real chump today, same as the previous Pyrenees stage when Roglic went for it several times. Worst of all is he's done it just to protect 2nd place in the GC, when sitting up would've forced Thomas to take the initiative to reel Roglic in and see if he cracked.
Dumoulin's riding has been very disappointing, tbh. Not once has Thomas had to show he had the mettle.
In all seriousness though, that was because Thomas just sat on his wheel as Dumoulin tried to reel Roglic in each time he broke.
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True, I actually said that to my dad. Thomas was behind Dumoulin the whole time. I was wondering why Dumo wouldnt drop behind Thomas
He really should have, it's virtually the a-b-c of GC cycling.
Thomas as race leader has the responsibility to defend his jersey. He couldn't just let Roglic ride off into the distance.
It was so infuriating, it takes half a lifetime to isolate the top Sky rider from his team, and when he's finally on his own, you do the riding for him. Argh!
Thomas would have had Dumoulin sitting on his tail and no one else there to bail him out. As a contender for the TdF, it was Dumoulin's chance to see how Thomas reacted to that kind of pressure. It just sucked so badly.
Just been having a skim through the cyclingnews forum, lots of people saying the same.
Dumoulin pretty much gave up on winning the race and decided to defend second place. He's never going to be remembered for that.
Is there any evidence of is everyone who does well.at any sport a cheat
What's 100% certain is that there can't be any less than those who are caught.
Roglic is well suspect too, but at least he makes for spectacular, unpredictable racing. That's all I ask for nowadays.
FFS are you really saying that every person in the TDF is doped?
If that's the case, WTF is the point of holding the event at all?
Wise up guys, support your sportsmen.
7.5% of the general population have asthma.
Just over 40% of TDF riders apparently have.
What do those figures make you think?
That people who put extreme pressure on their lungs are more likely to display more respiratory problems. They are also far more likely to be diagnosed.
Sports-induced or exercise-induced asthma us very common, though personally, I don't understand why you should be allowed to treat it, much less with substances that have other performance-enhancing effects.
That said though, Froome is no different in that regard from a huge amount of cyclists, so I honestly don't see why he should have to pay for the rest of them.
That's completely different from the horrendous stench that emanates from Brailsford. People can bury their heads in the sand all they like, but his riders have been obliterating the field for over a decade now, and almost every Tour they enter they be got 2 riders good enough to win the GC.
People are crazy if they think it's only because they're that teeny bit better in every department.
comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 1 day, 13 hours ago
FFS are you really saying that every person in the TDF is doped?
If that's the case, WTF is the point of holding the event at all?
Wise up guys, support your sportsmen.
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Read up on the history of cycling. Cheating is so imbricated into the fabric of the sport that it's almost an inseparable part of it.
That doesn't, however, mean that racing 200km a day for three weeks, up and down crazy terrain, putting life and limb on the line at just about every roundabout or down every hill doesn't have my full admiration.
I'll still watch and enjoy the sport as I have been doing for over 35 years. I'm just astounded at the lengths people are willing to go to to try and defend the virgin innocence of their heroes given everything that's preceded them.
In cycling, that just doesn't happen.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 11 minutes ago
Sports-induced or exercise-induced asthma us very common, though personally, I don't understand why you should be allowed to treat it, much less with substances that have other performance-enhancing effects.
That said though, Froome is no different in that regard from a huge amount of cyclists, so I honestly don't see why he should have to pay for the rest of them.
That's completely different from the horrendous stench that emanates from Brailsford. People can bury their heads in the sand all they like, but his riders have been obliterating the field for over a decade now, and almost every Tour they enter they be got 2 riders good enough to win the GC.
People are crazy if they think it's only because they're that teeny bit better in every department.
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It's well documented that this is how he achieved what he did with the GB Olympic team. Teeny improvements.
The trouble with this country is that we want to knock down any of our own who do well - what the Aussies call Tall Poppies syndrome.
British Cycling's success was as ridiculous as Sky's.
Nothing to do with being British or not. I'm actually Spanish, and, in terms of the 'cleanliness', every bit as sceptical about Indurain's 5 TdF wins as I was about Armstrong's and am, nowadays, about Sky's.
And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.
See Ma's Army or the DDR doping programmes in athletics for other examples.
If there was any truth whatsoever in the whole marginal gains approach, don't you think the rest of the world would've caught up by now?
And by the way, your "Only in (country name) do we look to bring down our champions" is just as common in Spain as it is in Britain, and I dare say anywhere else.
And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.
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The Dutch have dominated Ice Speed Skating for years now and I am sure they are clean. Same with the Americans and Basketball, Canadians and Ice Hockey, etc. etc.
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 3 hours ago
And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.
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The Dutch have dominated Ice Speed Skating for years now and I am sure they are clean. Same with the Americans and Basketball, Canadians and Ice Hockey, etc. etc.
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You forgot Scotland and shinty
Mind you, I'm sure there's a few drams taken before, during and especially after each game.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted on 30/7/18
British Cycling's success was as ridiculous as Sky's.
Nothing to do with being British or not. I'm actually Spanish, and, in terms of the 'cleanliness', every bit as sceptical about Indurain's 5 TdF wins as I was about Armstrong's and am, nowadays, about Sky's.
And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.
See Ma's Army or the DDR doping programmes in athletics for other examples.
If there was any truth whatsoever in the whole marginal gains approach, don't you think the rest of the world would've caught up by now?
And by the way, your "Only in (country name) do we look to bring down our champions" is just as common in Spain as it is in Britain, and I dare say anywhere else.
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I would be utterly astonished if Indurain wasnt doping, It was rife at the time and to win 5 in a row he must have been doing it.
Agreed. Add that although EPO had been around for a few years, it was precisely the season they'd switched to blood rather than urine testing that he bonked big time in the TdF when in pursuit of a 6th crown. He retired at the end of that same season.
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posted on 27/7/18
Doubt he's any more doped than Roglic or Dumoulin though
posted on 27/7/18
Dumoulin clearly was knackered at the finish. Thomas jumped away as if he was on fresh legs.
Seen this way too many times, Armstrong was one of them, when it seems unbelievable, it mostly is.
The fact that Froome was acquitted for taking dope, just shows that the sport is a long way from being clean.
posted on 27/7/18
In all seriousness though, that was because Thomas just sat on his wheel as Dumoulin tried to reel Roglic in each time he broke.
I missed the Tourmalet climb, but watched all the way from the Soulor.
Dumoulin only tested the Sky riders once.
Other than that, it was Roglic trying to break time and again, and time and again Dumoulin was th first to respond.
Froome cracked and Thomas was left isolated, but Dumoulin did all his dirty work for him, I couldn0t believe it.
Rode like a real chump today, same as the previous Pyrenees stage when Roglic went for it several times. Worst of all is he's done it just to protect 2nd place in the GC, when sitting up would've forced Thomas to take the initiative to reel Roglic in and see if he cracked.
Dumoulin's riding has been very disappointing, tbh. Not once has Thomas had to show he had the mettle.
posted on 27/7/18
In all seriousness though, that was because Thomas just sat on his wheel as Dumoulin tried to reel Roglic in each time he broke.
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True, I actually said that to my dad. Thomas was behind Dumoulin the whole time. I was wondering why Dumo wouldnt drop behind Thomas
posted on 27/7/18
He really should have, it's virtually the a-b-c of GC cycling.
Thomas as race leader has the responsibility to defend his jersey. He couldn't just let Roglic ride off into the distance.
It was so infuriating, it takes half a lifetime to isolate the top Sky rider from his team, and when he's finally on his own, you do the riding for him. Argh!
Thomas would have had Dumoulin sitting on his tail and no one else there to bail him out. As a contender for the TdF, it was Dumoulin's chance to see how Thomas reacted to that kind of pressure. It just sucked so badly.
Just been having a skim through the cyclingnews forum, lots of people saying the same.
Dumoulin pretty much gave up on winning the race and decided to defend second place. He's never going to be remembered for that.
posted on 27/7/18
Is there any evidence of is everyone who does well.at any sport a cheat
posted on 27/7/18
What's 100% certain is that there can't be any less than those who are caught.
Roglic is well suspect too, but at least he makes for spectacular, unpredictable racing. That's all I ask for nowadays.
posted on 28/7/18
FFS are you really saying that every person in the TDF is doped?
If that's the case, WTF is the point of holding the event at all?
Wise up guys, support your sportsmen.
posted on 29/7/18
7.5% of the general population have asthma.
Just over 40% of TDF riders apparently have.
What do those figures make you think?
posted on 29/7/18
That people who put extreme pressure on their lungs are more likely to display more respiratory problems. They are also far more likely to be diagnosed.
posted on 30/7/18
Sports-induced or exercise-induced asthma us very common, though personally, I don't understand why you should be allowed to treat it, much less with substances that have other performance-enhancing effects.
That said though, Froome is no different in that regard from a huge amount of cyclists, so I honestly don't see why he should have to pay for the rest of them.
That's completely different from the horrendous stench that emanates from Brailsford. People can bury their heads in the sand all they like, but his riders have been obliterating the field for over a decade now, and almost every Tour they enter they be got 2 riders good enough to win the GC.
People are crazy if they think it's only because they're that teeny bit better in every department.
posted on 30/7/18
they be = they've
posted on 30/7/18
comment by theresgonnaebeashow (U5686)
posted 1 day, 13 hours ago
FFS are you really saying that every person in the TDF is doped?
If that's the case, WTF is the point of holding the event at all?
Wise up guys, support your sportsmen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Read up on the history of cycling. Cheating is so imbricated into the fabric of the sport that it's almost an inseparable part of it.
That doesn't, however, mean that racing 200km a day for three weeks, up and down crazy terrain, putting life and limb on the line at just about every roundabout or down every hill doesn't have my full admiration.
I'll still watch and enjoy the sport as I have been doing for over 35 years. I'm just astounded at the lengths people are willing to go to to try and defend the virgin innocence of their heroes given everything that's preceded them.
In cycling, that just doesn't happen.
posted on 30/7/18
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 11 minutes ago
Sports-induced or exercise-induced asthma us very common, though personally, I don't understand why you should be allowed to treat it, much less with substances that have other performance-enhancing effects.
That said though, Froome is no different in that regard from a huge amount of cyclists, so I honestly don't see why he should have to pay for the rest of them.
That's completely different from the horrendous stench that emanates from Brailsford. People can bury their heads in the sand all they like, but his riders have been obliterating the field for over a decade now, and almost every Tour they enter they be got 2 riders good enough to win the GC.
People are crazy if they think it's only because they're that teeny bit better in every department.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's well documented that this is how he achieved what he did with the GB Olympic team. Teeny improvements.
The trouble with this country is that we want to knock down any of our own who do well - what the Aussies call Tall Poppies syndrome.
posted on 30/7/18
British Cycling's success was as ridiculous as Sky's.
Nothing to do with being British or not. I'm actually Spanish, and, in terms of the 'cleanliness', every bit as sceptical about Indurain's 5 TdF wins as I was about Armstrong's and am, nowadays, about Sky's.
And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.
See Ma's Army or the DDR doping programmes in athletics for other examples.
If there was any truth whatsoever in the whole marginal gains approach, don't you think the rest of the world would've caught up by now?
And by the way, your "Only in (country name) do we look to bring down our champions" is just as common in Spain as it is in Britain, and I dare say anywhere else.
posted on 30/7/18
And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.
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The Dutch have dominated Ice Speed Skating for years now and I am sure they are clean. Same with the Americans and Basketball, Canadians and Ice Hockey, etc. etc.
posted on 30/7/18
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 3 hours ago
And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.
-----------------------------
The Dutch have dominated Ice Speed Skating for years now and I am sure they are clean. Same with the Americans and Basketball, Canadians and Ice Hockey, etc. etc.
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You forgot Scotland and shinty
Mind you, I'm sure there's a few drams taken before, during and especially after each game.
posted on 30/7/18
Basketball clean?
posted on 2/9/18
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted on 30/7/18
British Cycling's success was as ridiculous as Sky's.
Nothing to do with being British or not. I'm actually Spanish, and, in terms of the 'cleanliness', every bit as sceptical about Indurain's 5 TdF wins as I was about Armstrong's and am, nowadays, about Sky's.
And even beyond cycling... when you get such absurd dominance in any popular sport, where millions of people in dozens of countries are vying to be the best, there's almost invariably some shady business going on.
See Ma's Army or the DDR doping programmes in athletics for other examples.
If there was any truth whatsoever in the whole marginal gains approach, don't you think the rest of the world would've caught up by now?
And by the way, your "Only in (country name) do we look to bring down our champions" is just as common in Spain as it is in Britain, and I dare say anywhere else.
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I would be utterly astonished if Indurain wasnt doping, It was rife at the time and to win 5 in a row he must have been doing it.
posted on 2/9/18
Agreed. Add that although EPO had been around for a few years, it was precisely the season they'd switched to blood rather than urine testing that he bonked big time in the TdF when in pursuit of a 6th crown. He retired at the end of that same season.
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