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comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 4 minutes ago
Am I missing something here? Where is this superior performance?
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Superior to the worst performances this season I said, and for sure it was. There's been some horrible matches this season, really horrible where we seemed to be out to defend for a goaless draw, failing to get the ball forward or show any attacking intent.
Today I saw attacking intent. Was it great attacking intent? Hmmm no not at all and it was a shame vardy didn't get to do more. However Chillwell, Teilmans and Barnes all had good games and with time more will click. I at least felt for the whole game like we were trying to score, which is an improvement on the worst games I've seen this season.
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You saw attacking intent against Wolves where we scored 3 goals. You saw it against Liverpool. You saw it against Spurs where we hammered them and but for our god awful defending should have beaten them. You’ve seen a massive improvement attacking wise over the last few weeks - and yet in a way you’ve failed to see it at all, because you’ve been viewing it though a biased lens.
Tielemans and Barnes have been promising since they came in by the way, particularly against Spurs
I’m happy to dig out the stats of the last few games and compare them to today if you want. I’ve already seen them. It doesn’t look great for the anti puel arguments.
We started terribly again today. Sky commentators described us as blunt. Vardy had 12 touches of the ball, less than he’s had in recent games. 1 attempt on target in the first half. I struggled to see any kind of attacking intent until we woke up mid way through the second half
Amazing how it’s suddenly acceptable when BR is in charge
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comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
posted 31 seconds ago
And in terms of being a moron - are you absolutely sure? Because you’re giving Mersey a pretty good run for his money.
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Relatively sure yes. I'm confident Mersey isn't a moron either. I'm also confident you are a small, angry, overly narcissist man who can't cope with people having different opinions to you. Amusing considering you were very anti Puel up until a recent ball fondling session with Arow. Actually weren't you throwing your immature bile at the pro Puelers not long ago?
I like people with strong opinions, you're very interesting to read. I can't stand bullies or hypocrites though, and you sir are currently being both.
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
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comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 4 minutes ago
Am I missing something here? Where is this superior performance?
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Superior to the worst performances this season I said, and for sure it was. There's been some horrible matches this season, really horrible where we seemed to be out to defend for a goaless draw, failing to get the ball forward or show any attacking intent.
Today I saw attacking intent. Was it great attacking intent? Hmmm no not at all and it was a shame vardy didn't get to do more. However Chillwell, Teilmans and Barnes all had good games and with time more will click. I at least felt for the whole game like we were trying to score, which is an improvement on the worst games I've seen this season.
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You saw attacking intent against Wolves where we scored 3 goals. You saw it against Liverpool. You saw it against Spurs where we hammered them and but for our god awful defending should have beaten them. You’ve seen a massive improvement attacking wise over the last few weeks - and yet in a way you’ve failed to see it at all, because you’ve been viewing it though a biased lens.
Tielemans and Barnes have been promising since they came in by the way, particularly against Spurs
I’m happy to dig out the stats of the last few games and compare them to today if you want. I’ve already seen them. It doesn’t look great for the anti puel arguments.
We started terribly again today. Sky commentators described us as blunt. Vardy had 12 touches of the ball, less than he’s had in recent games. 1 attempt on target in the first half. I struggled to see any kind of attacking intent until we woke up mid way through the second half
Amazing how it’s suddenly acceptable when BR is in charge
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Thankfully I missed the start of the game! Stream issues, which seemed to do me a favour.
Absolutely agree about recent performances. I personally thought Puel might manage to get it all to click actually (not sure if you realise you're telling me what my opinions are without knowing them).
That's not happened and now I'm excited for our new manager and not unhappy with our first game under him.
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comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 4 minutes ago
Am I missing something here? Where is this superior performance?
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Superior to the worst performances this season I said, and for sure it was. There's been some horrible matches this season, really horrible where we seemed to be out to defend for a goaless draw, failing to get the ball forward or show any attacking intent.
Today I saw attacking intent. Was it great attacking intent? Hmmm no not at all and it was a shame vardy didn't get to do more. However Chillwell, Teilmans and Barnes all had good games and with time more will click. I at least felt for the whole game like we were trying to score, which is an improvement on the worst games I've seen this season.
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You saw attacking intent against Wolves where we scored 3 goals. You saw it against Liverpool. You saw it against Spurs where we hammered them and but for our god awful defending should have beaten them. You’ve seen a massive improvement attacking wise over the last few weeks - and yet in a way you’ve failed to see it at all, because you’ve been viewing it though a biased lens.
Tielemans and Barnes have been promising since they came in by the way, particularly against Spurs
I’m happy to dig out the stats of the last few games and compare them to today if you want. I’ve already seen them. It doesn’t look great for the anti puel arguments.
We started terribly again today. Sky commentators described us as blunt. Vardy had 12 touches of the ball, less than he’s had in recent games. 1 attempt on target in the first half. I struggled to see any kind of attacking intent until we woke up mid way through the second half
Amazing how it’s suddenly acceptable when BR is in charge
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Thankfully I missed the start of the game! Stream issues, which seemed to do me a favour.
Absolutely agree about recent performances. I personally thought Puel might manage to get it all to click actually (not sure if you realise you're telling me what my opinions are without knowing them).
That's not happened and now I'm excited for our new manager and not unhappy with our first game under him.
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If you didn’t see the start and didn’t watch the whole game then no wonder we aren’t agreeing here. If you had seen how awful we were then it might have changed your opinion some what. We improved as the first half went on but there was little attacking intent until later on. I certainly wouldn’t agree that we spent the whole game trying to score. We couldn’t get the ball for the first 15 mins.
I’m telling you what your opinion is based on the opinion you’ve just expressed. EG - you felt as if we were actually trying to score under BR: that indicates we weren’t under Puel which seems baffling given recent performances. If that’s not what you meant then I apologise for mixing you up with the myriad of Leicester fans I speak to who refuse to accept that we had any attacking intent under puel. Which is factually incorrect
I said in some games it didn't feel like the objective was to score. Certainly didn't say all games.
Yes think I was lucky missing the start. There was a period later in the first half where we were pushing forward well but after the clash between Vardy and Foster that slowed down a little.
My comparison was always been BR's latest game and the worst of those under Puel. You're position seems to be that we are just as bad, the players are woeful and we'd have been better keeping Puel. I think yesterday we showed some tiny glimmers of why changing Puel will be for the best. I live in hope.
Are you basically of the opinion that anyone happy that we changed the manager is wrong? Or do we just need to agree all our players are carp and we might as well have stuck with Puel because he was doing the best that could be done with the current squad?
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And in terms of being a moron - are you absolutely sure? Because you’re giving Mersey a pretty good run for his money.
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Relatively sure yes. I'm confident Mersey isn't a moron either. I'm also confident you are a small, angry, overly narcissist man who can't cope with people having different opinions to you. Amusing considering you were very anti Puel up until a recent ball fondling session with Arow. Actually weren't you throwing your immature bile at the pro Puelers not long ago?
I like people with strong opinions, you're very interesting to read. I can't stand bullies or hypocrites though, and you sir are currently being both.
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Hypocrite? Well not really because I was open and honest enough to say I changed my mind. No I wouldn’t say I was throwing bile towards anyone pro puel - simply because aside from Nev, there wasn’t really anyone.
A bully? No absolutely not. I just get hacked off at people who won’t consider the other side, who won’t debate, people who are closed minded - like Mersey. When they start to twist and distort facts to suit their arguments and even blame Puel for today - that’s when I just detach from them really and call them out for the kind of people I think they are. It’s just frustration.
I’m fine with different opinions - I’ll challenge them strongly and respect those who argue their case, but not those who twist facts and reshape events for their own purposes or those with an agenda. That’s moronic and I’ve no problem saying that.
Also, how do you know I’m a man?
comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
posted 4 minutes ago
My comparison was always been BR's latest game and the worst of those under Puel. You're position seems to be that we are just as bad, the players are woeful and we'd have been better keeping Puel.
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That’s not my position at all, you’ve got that absolutely wrong which goes a long way to explaining your other posts.
I said the other day that Puel is a great coach but not a good enough manager. You’re mistaking me trying to see the bigger picture with someone who was massively pro puel. Not at all, I just wouldn’t accept it was all his fault and could see what he was trying to do. Because I’m in a minority it led to lots of disagreements.
What I have said time and again is the Puel was facing problems that won’t go away under Brendan and he got loads of unfair stick. You have to admit that he won’t have got slaughtered for today’s performance whereas it’s already acceptance under a new manager
Puel had to go, but he wasn’t the big problem at Leicester. That hasn’t been solved and won’t be by bringing in a new manager
Anyway to save all of this going back and forth concrete, use the filter button if my posts have got to you as much as they seem to. It’s what it’s there for and at the end of the day it saves a lot of time
One final thought about perceptions. You call me small, angry, narcisstic, a bully. All understandable when viewed over the internet on a match thread.
The reality would surprise you. It’s more like, a broken shell of a person who has been through something horrific and barely functions. I don’t talk about it in the same way Dublin does, perhaps I should, but it wouldn’t be accepted or even understood.
That said, we are who we are. But we’re not always what people think we are. You’d be shocked honestly
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comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
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You're position seems to be that we are just as bad, the players are woeful and we'd have been better keeping Puel.
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That’s not my position at all, you’ve got that absolutely wrong which goes a long way to explaining your other posts.
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'Seems' was the important word in my statement. You were anti Puel not so long ago anyway, as I've also stated.
I agree the problems aren't all just going to go away with a new manager. It's rare in football that happens, hence the relatively common bounce phenomena seen when a new manager comes in. I'm not convinced Man U won't eventually see cracks once sheer goodwill under Ole runs out for example.
In our case Puel certainly couldn't be blamed for everything but there's relatively few things that are completely black and white anyway, so almost no manager is completely to blame at any point in time. Puel did some good things and I kept hoping beyond hope everything would click but in the end we probably did need a new manager so the decision was a good one (time will tell though).
Yes Puel would have got slaughtered for the Watford game but it's true as you say, it's too early to give Brendan the same grief. I have high hopes for his reign so will choose to be optimistic that he can surmount the challenges. We have some great players, although have some gaps and I agree the depth of our squad is lacking. Fingers crossed BR finds the best way to make the most of what we have until we can improve the squad.
I don't filter anyone, I have no reason to. I rarely post, also having little reason too. I already said I find your posts interesting. Disagreement is good and the occasional flared emotion understandable but there's a list of posters you've been denigrating and talking down to like they are beneath you, and that's something I've chosen to speak out about. I apologise for the 'small' comment, besides I apologise for saying anything negative against you anyway because that's contradictory to my ethos. However you have been acting angrily and with behavior that would fit into the definition of bullying. I'm not saying you are like that all the time cus I wouldn't know, although I am pleased to hear you say you aren't. Either way I wish you the best and hope you can surmount your problems.
I’d agree with that concrete - there’s two posters in particular I just can’t be doing with right now, who for me represent why I’m so disheartened at many Leicester fans. I wouldn’t say there’s a long list on here - but those two in my ooinion are just everything I consider wrong about a section of our fan base I want nothing to do with.
That’s not because they were anti puel, it’s because you can’t reason with them, it’s because I find them to have a sense of self entitlement and worse than that for me, they post things that are blatantly not true. That’s what I can’t deal with - have an opinion, don’t post things that are factually incorrect (such as we never wanted to score under puel).
It’s those statements made over and over again that particularly on a match day I struggle to deal with. It’s like listening to the radio Leicester moan in - it makes me embarrassed to be a Leicester fan.
BS, I don’t understand why you’re getting so angry with the posters that have a different view to you.
You seem to believe I can’t see the bigger picture, that I’m blind to any good Puel did, and that I lay every tiny piece of blame for our underperformaces at his door.
This isn’t the case. I’ve said this many times but you just seem so angry at me for not seeing it your way you don’t see it. It’s ironic that you accuse me of failing to ignore facts and to look at other people’s views, when you’ve made your mind up on what I think based on probably a small part of my posts.
Did I want Puel out. Yes. Did I think he was taking our club backwards. Yes. Did I think we were in danger of falling in to a relegation fight next season if we pereservered with him. Yes. Do I think he had the squad underperforming. Yes.
I also think he was overseeing a very difficult job of turning over our title winning squad and adapting our style of play. As we’ve seen from yesterday, there is still a huge task to do here. Personally I’m much happier that Brendan’s rodgers is overseeing that task than Puel.
Not because he’s boring, not because he’s French, but because I think he wasn’t doing a very going job of managing the team. The board agreed with me and chose to make the change. Why don’t we now back the new manager until he give us reason to be unhappy with his methods or plan?
We all want this club to succeed. Hopefully Rodgers is the man to finally help us move on from the title win and grow towards a new aim of European football and a trophy. I’d love the FA Cup to complete our collection.
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comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
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That wasn't the worst performance of the season. We could/should have got something from the match.
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Who said it was?
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You did, several time in between childish insults.
I thought the performance was quite interesting and superior to many of the worst matches this season. There's many challenges ahead but I'm excited to see what Brendan can do with the team. I'm curious to see where we go with the formation, whether BR sticks with his 3 at the back or changes it fairly soon.
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At what point did I say this was “the worst performance of the season?”
Either find that quote or shut the fack up
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I didn't claim you said that. For a large part of the game it was almost as if we had not sacked Claude, Puelball at it's absolute worst and complete tedious chanceless dross.
Do I blame BR for that? Not even in the slightest, he's not had time to have an effect. I can't say I was happy to see Wes back on the pitch though so that's a worrying sign.
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comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
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And in terms of being a moron - are you absolutely sure? Because you’re giving Mersey a pretty good run for his money.
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Relatively sure yes. I'm confident Mersey isn't a moron either. I'm also confident you are a small, angry, overly narcissist man who can't cope with people having different opinions to you. Amusing considering you were very anti Puel up until a recent ball fondling session with Arow. Actually weren't you throwing your immature bile at the pro Puelers not long ago?
I like people with strong opinions, you're very interesting to read. I can't stand bullies or hypocrites though, and you sir are currently being both.
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Hypocrite? Well not really because I was open and honest enough to say I changed my mind. No I wouldn’t say I was throwing bile towards anyone pro puel - simply because aside from Nev, there wasn’t really anyone.
A bully? No absolutely not. I just get hacked off at people who won’t consider the other side, who won’t debate, people who are closed minded - like Mersey. When they start to twist and distort facts to suit their arguments and even blame Puel for today - that’s when I just detach from them really and call them out for the kind of people I think they are. It’s just frustration.
I’m fine with different opinions - I’ll challenge them strongly and respect those who argue their case, but not those who twist facts and reshape events for their own purposes or those with an agenda. That’s moronic and I’ve no problem saying that.
Also, how do you know I’m a man?
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I suspect most posters think you are, it just appears that there is just too much testosterone fuelled anger in some of your responses to be otherwise. You could be a lady with a very short fuse I suppose!
I thought this was a pretty good summary of the situation in the Mercury. I certainly agree with this anyway and beleive it reflects the situation quite well:
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-watford-five-things-2604440
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 10 minutes ago
I thought this was a pretty good summary of the situation in the Mercury. I certainly agree with this anyway and beleive it reflects the situation quite well:
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-watford-five-things-2604440
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Mersey
For once I have to agree with the 5 points that the Mercury have highlighted.
Part of the way Puel wanted to play involved "slow build up" and "keeping possession, therefore 2 touches instead of one" and BR was never going to completely change this ethos in 3 days with the players. But I am hoping to see him instill confidence in the players over the next few weeks, and that this confidence will be seen on the pitch and in the way they are with the ball BUT also without the ball.
Did we get a new manager bounce yesterday? No, but in my opinion (not fact before World War 3 starts on here) the players have had the slow tedious build up ingrained into their psyche for so long under Puel that time is a great healer, and between now and the end of the season we should start to see BR stamp his own authority and ideas and style on our squad.
As for Tielemans....... I think this lad is something special!!!! Is he the finished article, no and he is nowhere near BUT his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to pick out a defence splitting pass is second to none and with BR in charge I am hoping that we can sort out a permanent transfer in the summer as he could be the creative No 10 that we have been looking for.
So all in all, yesterdays game was a free pass for BR. 3 days with the players, no time to implement and drastic changes, he will still be in the "assessment" period of each player.
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I thought it was a good summary too DUTAC.
It’s clear that we need to move the ball faster and cause more problems for other teams. In my view we’ve been way too easy to defend against and too ponderous in the final third. Even poor teams know to just sit deep against us and take their chance at the other end to win!
I also have hope that BR will be able to change this. I am with the pundits that beleive we have as good a squad as any outside the top 6, and I have hope that with time, we can start to put together some impressive performances.
As for Tielemans, he looks a class above. I hope he decides to join and enjoy his football for a bit in the summer. I worry big teams may come in for him but he seems to be enjoying his football again and that shouldn’t be underestimated.
He also seems to be very mature for his age and have his head screwed on. He could be a good influence on barnes, Maddison and Gray.
Black Starr - I remember from the past you mentioning you have problems; I think I remember some details you posted but I don't know whether that's all of it. Perhaps not. I do sympathise; as is said: Everyone has their private battles that the rest of us know nothing about.
Even so, try not to harangue people on here. Merseyside for example really hasn't been unreasonable; he can be a bit stubborn at times *CoughDeLaetCough* but it's just opinions. Just as you don't need additional stress from others, they don't need it from you either. You're still responsible for your actions toward others even when you feel like repeatedly bashing your head against a wall or sinking into a corner and sobbing for a few days.
If there’s is one thing I am not Dungeon, it’s stubborn. And I don’t care what you say on this matter, It will not make me change my mind or view 😉
Ps. RDL was rubbish. 100% true fact.
RDL was fantastic... He scored against Man U!
Really was $hite and I could not understand how he was even on the pitch most of the time!
BS hang in there buddy...... Just seems like you are in your dark place but do not give up! I love your insight and some of your commets just make me $iss myself...
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
I thought it was a good summary too DUTAC.
It’s clear that we need to move the ball faster and cause more problems for other teams. In my view we’ve been way too easy to defend against and too ponderous in the final third. Even poor teams know to just sit deep against us and take their chance at the other end to win!
I also have hope that BR will be able to change this. I am with the pundits that beleive we have as good a squad as any outside the top 6, and I have hope that with time, we can start to put together some impressive performances.
As for Tielemans, he looks a class above. I hope he decides to join and enjoy his football for a bit in the summer. I worry big teams may come in for him but he seems to be enjoying his football again and that shouldn’t be underestimated.
He also seems to be very mature for his age and have his head screwed on. He could be a good influence on barnes, Maddison and Gray.
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I think one thing that is blindingly obvious (to most anyway) is that our speed of build up play does not suit our team, players etc. We have 2 main strengths as a starting 11 at the moment, the first is youth..... this can be a poisoned chalice but can also be a massive plus point depending on how the players are managed and how the team is set up. The second main strength we have is Pace, when you look at Vardy (yes that part of his game will diminish over the next 18 months thats for sure), Gray, Barnes, Ricardo, Chilwell etc. we do have pace in our side, so lets hope Brendan sees this as a strength and we start to play to our strength....... and slow ponderous build up play does not do this.
I am firmly in the camp that the future for LCFC looks brighter this afternoon than it did 8 days ago. Will it change overnight, no of course not. Do we as supporters have to expect some transition to BR's style between now and the start of next season? Yes of course, but Brendan has the experience of the PL and I for one feel that we are in safer hands now than we were.
But then again thats only my opinion
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It’s funny how a manager change can being a positive vibe, but the club now seems a much more positive place.
Suddenly players are making positive noises in the media. Pundits are all saying Rodgers is an excellent coach. The squad is aligned to his ethos.
It all looks and feels good. Whereas 8 days ago it felt treacly and negative.
Now, that doesn’t mean to say all will be good. And certainly not instantly. There are clear problems with the team you’ve articulated above that may take time to fix. My hope is however, that Rodgers has enough ability to stabilise and build without too much disruption of a dip. And in reality we should still have a dip this season and remain fairly safe.
Hopefully we can then have a clear plan in the summer to add maybe just 1 or 2 experienced players in key positions to change things. I’m happy for the goalkeeper and centre forward slots to form part of that. If Vardy and Kasper don’t fit then get some money and spend it wisely. If they do fit, brilliant.
What does look clear though, is that we’ve been speaking to Rodgers for quite some time. The club had a plan clearly, they just had to execute it earlier than they would have liked!
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Am I missing something here? Where is this superior performance?
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Superior to the worst performances this season I said, and for sure it was. There's been some horrible matches this season, really horrible where we seemed to be out to defend for a goaless draw, failing to get the ball forward or show any attacking intent.
Today I saw attacking intent. Was it great attacking intent? Hmmm no not at all and it was a shame vardy didn't get to do more. However Chillwell, Teilmans and Barnes all had good games and with time more will click. I at least felt for the whole game like we were trying to score, which is an improvement on the worst games I've seen this season.
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You saw attacking intent against Wolves where we scored 3 goals. You saw it against Liverpool. You saw it against Spurs where we hammered them and but for our god awful defending should have beaten them. You’ve seen a massive improvement attacking wise over the last few weeks - and yet in a way you’ve failed to see it at all, because you’ve been viewing it though a biased lens.
Tielemans and Barnes have been promising since they came in by the way, particularly against Spurs
I’m happy to dig out the stats of the last few games and compare them to today if you want. I’ve already seen them. It doesn’t look great for the anti puel arguments.
We started terribly again today. Sky commentators described us as blunt. Vardy had 12 touches of the ball, less than he’s had in recent games. 1 attempt on target in the first half. I struggled to see any kind of attacking intent until we woke up mid way through the second half
Amazing how it’s suddenly acceptable when BR is in charge
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comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
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comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
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And in terms of being a moron - are you absolutely sure? Because you’re giving Mersey a pretty good run for his money.
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Relatively sure yes. I'm confident Mersey isn't a moron either. I'm also confident you are a small, angry, overly narcissist man who can't cope with people having different opinions to you. Amusing considering you were very anti Puel up until a recent ball fondling session with Arow. Actually weren't you throwing your immature bile at the pro Puelers not long ago?
I like people with strong opinions, you're very interesting to read. I can't stand bullies or hypocrites though, and you sir are currently being both.
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comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
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comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 4 minutes ago
Am I missing something here? Where is this superior performance?
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Superior to the worst performances this season I said, and for sure it was. There's been some horrible matches this season, really horrible where we seemed to be out to defend for a goaless draw, failing to get the ball forward or show any attacking intent.
Today I saw attacking intent. Was it great attacking intent? Hmmm no not at all and it was a shame vardy didn't get to do more. However Chillwell, Teilmans and Barnes all had good games and with time more will click. I at least felt for the whole game like we were trying to score, which is an improvement on the worst games I've seen this season.
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You saw attacking intent against Wolves where we scored 3 goals. You saw it against Liverpool. You saw it against Spurs where we hammered them and but for our god awful defending should have beaten them. You’ve seen a massive improvement attacking wise over the last few weeks - and yet in a way you’ve failed to see it at all, because you’ve been viewing it though a biased lens.
Tielemans and Barnes have been promising since they came in by the way, particularly against Spurs
I’m happy to dig out the stats of the last few games and compare them to today if you want. I’ve already seen them. It doesn’t look great for the anti puel arguments.
We started terribly again today. Sky commentators described us as blunt. Vardy had 12 touches of the ball, less than he’s had in recent games. 1 attempt on target in the first half. I struggled to see any kind of attacking intent until we woke up mid way through the second half
Amazing how it’s suddenly acceptable when BR is in charge
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Thankfully I missed the start of the game! Stream issues, which seemed to do me a favour.
Absolutely agree about recent performances. I personally thought Puel might manage to get it all to click actually (not sure if you realise you're telling me what my opinions are without knowing them).
That's not happened and now I'm excited for our new manager and not unhappy with our first game under him.
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comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
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comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 4 minutes ago
Am I missing something here? Where is this superior performance?
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Superior to the worst performances this season I said, and for sure it was. There's been some horrible matches this season, really horrible where we seemed to be out to defend for a goaless draw, failing to get the ball forward or show any attacking intent.
Today I saw attacking intent. Was it great attacking intent? Hmmm no not at all and it was a shame vardy didn't get to do more. However Chillwell, Teilmans and Barnes all had good games and with time more will click. I at least felt for the whole game like we were trying to score, which is an improvement on the worst games I've seen this season.
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You saw attacking intent against Wolves where we scored 3 goals. You saw it against Liverpool. You saw it against Spurs where we hammered them and but for our god awful defending should have beaten them. You’ve seen a massive improvement attacking wise over the last few weeks - and yet in a way you’ve failed to see it at all, because you’ve been viewing it though a biased lens.
Tielemans and Barnes have been promising since they came in by the way, particularly against Spurs
I’m happy to dig out the stats of the last few games and compare them to today if you want. I’ve already seen them. It doesn’t look great for the anti puel arguments.
We started terribly again today. Sky commentators described us as blunt. Vardy had 12 touches of the ball, less than he’s had in recent games. 1 attempt on target in the first half. I struggled to see any kind of attacking intent until we woke up mid way through the second half
Amazing how it’s suddenly acceptable when BR is in charge
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Thankfully I missed the start of the game! Stream issues, which seemed to do me a favour.
Absolutely agree about recent performances. I personally thought Puel might manage to get it all to click actually (not sure if you realise you're telling me what my opinions are without knowing them).
That's not happened and now I'm excited for our new manager and not unhappy with our first game under him.
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If you didn’t see the start and didn’t watch the whole game then no wonder we aren’t agreeing here. If you had seen how awful we were then it might have changed your opinion some what. We improved as the first half went on but there was little attacking intent until later on. I certainly wouldn’t agree that we spent the whole game trying to score. We couldn’t get the ball for the first 15 mins.
I’m telling you what your opinion is based on the opinion you’ve just expressed. EG - you felt as if we were actually trying to score under BR: that indicates we weren’t under Puel which seems baffling given recent performances. If that’s not what you meant then I apologise for mixing you up with the myriad of Leicester fans I speak to who refuse to accept that we had any attacking intent under puel. Which is factually incorrect
posted on 3/3/19
I said in some games it didn't feel like the objective was to score. Certainly didn't say all games.
Yes think I was lucky missing the start. There was a period later in the first half where we were pushing forward well but after the clash between Vardy and Foster that slowed down a little.
posted on 3/3/19
My comparison was always been BR's latest game and the worst of those under Puel. You're position seems to be that we are just as bad, the players are woeful and we'd have been better keeping Puel. I think yesterday we showed some tiny glimmers of why changing Puel will be for the best. I live in hope.
Are you basically of the opinion that anyone happy that we changed the manager is wrong? Or do we just need to agree all our players are carp and we might as well have stuck with Puel because he was doing the best that could be done with the current squad?
posted on 3/3/19
comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
posted 31 seconds ago
And in terms of being a moron - are you absolutely sure? Because you’re giving Mersey a pretty good run for his money.
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Relatively sure yes. I'm confident Mersey isn't a moron either. I'm also confident you are a small, angry, overly narcissist man who can't cope with people having different opinions to you. Amusing considering you were very anti Puel up until a recent ball fondling session with Arow. Actually weren't you throwing your immature bile at the pro Puelers not long ago?
I like people with strong opinions, you're very interesting to read. I can't stand bullies or hypocrites though, and you sir are currently being both.
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Hypocrite? Well not really because I was open and honest enough to say I changed my mind. No I wouldn’t say I was throwing bile towards anyone pro puel - simply because aside from Nev, there wasn’t really anyone.
A bully? No absolutely not. I just get hacked off at people who won’t consider the other side, who won’t debate, people who are closed minded - like Mersey. When they start to twist and distort facts to suit their arguments and even blame Puel for today - that’s when I just detach from them really and call them out for the kind of people I think they are. It’s just frustration.
I’m fine with different opinions - I’ll challenge them strongly and respect those who argue their case, but not those who twist facts and reshape events for their own purposes or those with an agenda. That’s moronic and I’ve no problem saying that.
Also, how do you know I’m a man?
posted on 3/3/19
comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
posted 4 minutes ago
My comparison was always been BR's latest game and the worst of those under Puel. You're position seems to be that we are just as bad, the players are woeful and we'd have been better keeping Puel.
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That’s not my position at all, you’ve got that absolutely wrong which goes a long way to explaining your other posts.
I said the other day that Puel is a great coach but not a good enough manager. You’re mistaking me trying to see the bigger picture with someone who was massively pro puel. Not at all, I just wouldn’t accept it was all his fault and could see what he was trying to do. Because I’m in a minority it led to lots of disagreements.
What I have said time and again is the Puel was facing problems that won’t go away under Brendan and he got loads of unfair stick. You have to admit that he won’t have got slaughtered for today’s performance whereas it’s already acceptance under a new manager
Puel had to go, but he wasn’t the big problem at Leicester. That hasn’t been solved and won’t be by bringing in a new manager
posted on 3/3/19
Anyway to save all of this going back and forth concrete, use the filter button if my posts have got to you as much as they seem to. It’s what it’s there for and at the end of the day it saves a lot of time
posted on 3/3/19
One final thought about perceptions. You call me small, angry, narcisstic, a bully. All understandable when viewed over the internet on a match thread.
The reality would surprise you. It’s more like, a broken shell of a person who has been through something horrific and barely functions. I don’t talk about it in the same way Dublin does, perhaps I should, but it wouldn’t be accepted or even understood.
That said, we are who we are. But we’re not always what people think we are. You’d be shocked honestly
posted on 4/3/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're position seems to be that we are just as bad, the players are woeful and we'd have been better keeping Puel.
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That’s not my position at all, you’ve got that absolutely wrong which goes a long way to explaining your other posts.
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'Seems' was the important word in my statement. You were anti Puel not so long ago anyway, as I've also stated.
I agree the problems aren't all just going to go away with a new manager. It's rare in football that happens, hence the relatively common bounce phenomena seen when a new manager comes in. I'm not convinced Man U won't eventually see cracks once sheer goodwill under Ole runs out for example.
In our case Puel certainly couldn't be blamed for everything but there's relatively few things that are completely black and white anyway, so almost no manager is completely to blame at any point in time. Puel did some good things and I kept hoping beyond hope everything would click but in the end we probably did need a new manager so the decision was a good one (time will tell though).
Yes Puel would have got slaughtered for the Watford game but it's true as you say, it's too early to give Brendan the same grief. I have high hopes for his reign so will choose to be optimistic that he can surmount the challenges. We have some great players, although have some gaps and I agree the depth of our squad is lacking. Fingers crossed BR finds the best way to make the most of what we have until we can improve the squad.
I don't filter anyone, I have no reason to. I rarely post, also having little reason too. I already said I find your posts interesting. Disagreement is good and the occasional flared emotion understandable but there's a list of posters you've been denigrating and talking down to like they are beneath you, and that's something I've chosen to speak out about. I apologise for the 'small' comment, besides I apologise for saying anything negative against you anyway because that's contradictory to my ethos. However you have been acting angrily and with behavior that would fit into the definition of bullying. I'm not saying you are like that all the time cus I wouldn't know, although I am pleased to hear you say you aren't. Either way I wish you the best and hope you can surmount your problems.
posted on 4/3/19
I’d agree with that concrete - there’s two posters in particular I just can’t be doing with right now, who for me represent why I’m so disheartened at many Leicester fans. I wouldn’t say there’s a long list on here - but those two in my ooinion are just everything I consider wrong about a section of our fan base I want nothing to do with.
That’s not because they were anti puel, it’s because you can’t reason with them, it’s because I find them to have a sense of self entitlement and worse than that for me, they post things that are blatantly not true. That’s what I can’t deal with - have an opinion, don’t post things that are factually incorrect (such as we never wanted to score under puel).
It’s those statements made over and over again that particularly on a match day I struggle to deal with. It’s like listening to the radio Leicester moan in - it makes me embarrassed to be a Leicester fan.
posted on 4/3/19
BS, I don’t understand why you’re getting so angry with the posters that have a different view to you.
You seem to believe I can’t see the bigger picture, that I’m blind to any good Puel did, and that I lay every tiny piece of blame for our underperformaces at his door.
This isn’t the case. I’ve said this many times but you just seem so angry at me for not seeing it your way you don’t see it. It’s ironic that you accuse me of failing to ignore facts and to look at other people’s views, when you’ve made your mind up on what I think based on probably a small part of my posts.
Did I want Puel out. Yes. Did I think he was taking our club backwards. Yes. Did I think we were in danger of falling in to a relegation fight next season if we pereservered with him. Yes. Do I think he had the squad underperforming. Yes.
I also think he was overseeing a very difficult job of turning over our title winning squad and adapting our style of play. As we’ve seen from yesterday, there is still a huge task to do here. Personally I’m much happier that Brendan’s rodgers is overseeing that task than Puel.
Not because he’s boring, not because he’s French, but because I think he wasn’t doing a very going job of managing the team. The board agreed with me and chose to make the change. Why don’t we now back the new manager until he give us reason to be unhappy with his methods or plan?
We all want this club to succeed. Hopefully Rodgers is the man to finally help us move on from the title win and grow towards a new aim of European football and a trophy. I’d love the FA Cup to complete our collection.
posted on 4/3/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 9 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
That wasn't the worst performance of the season. We could/should have got something from the match.
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Who said it was?
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You did, several time in between childish insults.
I thought the performance was quite interesting and superior to many of the worst matches this season. There's many challenges ahead but I'm excited to see what Brendan can do with the team. I'm curious to see where we go with the formation, whether BR sticks with his 3 at the back or changes it fairly soon.
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At what point did I say this was “the worst performance of the season?”
Either find that quote or shut the fack up
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I didn't claim you said that. For a large part of the game it was almost as if we had not sacked Claude, Puelball at it's absolute worst and complete tedious chanceless dross.
Do I blame BR for that? Not even in the slightest, he's not had time to have an effect. I can't say I was happy to see Wes back on the pitch though so that's a worrying sign.
posted on 4/3/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 8 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ConcreteFox (U20742)
posted 31 seconds ago
And in terms of being a moron - are you absolutely sure? Because you’re giving Mersey a pretty good run for his money.
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Relatively sure yes. I'm confident Mersey isn't a moron either. I'm also confident you are a small, angry, overly narcissist man who can't cope with people having different opinions to you. Amusing considering you were very anti Puel up until a recent ball fondling session with Arow. Actually weren't you throwing your immature bile at the pro Puelers not long ago?
I like people with strong opinions, you're very interesting to read. I can't stand bullies or hypocrites though, and you sir are currently being both.
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Hypocrite? Well not really because I was open and honest enough to say I changed my mind. No I wouldn’t say I was throwing bile towards anyone pro puel - simply because aside from Nev, there wasn’t really anyone.
A bully? No absolutely not. I just get hacked off at people who won’t consider the other side, who won’t debate, people who are closed minded - like Mersey. When they start to twist and distort facts to suit their arguments and even blame Puel for today - that’s when I just detach from them really and call them out for the kind of people I think they are. It’s just frustration.
I’m fine with different opinions - I’ll challenge them strongly and respect those who argue their case, but not those who twist facts and reshape events for their own purposes or those with an agenda. That’s moronic and I’ve no problem saying that.
Also, how do you know I’m a man?
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I suspect most posters think you are, it just appears that there is just too much testosterone fuelled anger in some of your responses to be otherwise. You could be a lady with a very short fuse I suppose!
posted on 4/3/19
I thought this was a pretty good summary of the situation in the Mercury. I certainly agree with this anyway and beleive it reflects the situation quite well:
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-watford-five-things-2604440
posted on 4/3/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 10 minutes ago
I thought this was a pretty good summary of the situation in the Mercury. I certainly agree with this anyway and beleive it reflects the situation quite well:
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-city-watford-five-things-2604440
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Mersey
For once I have to agree with the 5 points that the Mercury have highlighted.
Part of the way Puel wanted to play involved "slow build up" and "keeping possession, therefore 2 touches instead of one" and BR was never going to completely change this ethos in 3 days with the players. But I am hoping to see him instill confidence in the players over the next few weeks, and that this confidence will be seen on the pitch and in the way they are with the ball BUT also without the ball.
Did we get a new manager bounce yesterday? No, but in my opinion (not fact before World War 3 starts on here) the players have had the slow tedious build up ingrained into their psyche for so long under Puel that time is a great healer, and between now and the end of the season we should start to see BR stamp his own authority and ideas and style on our squad.
As for Tielemans....... I think this lad is something special!!!! Is he the finished article, no and he is nowhere near BUT his calmness on the ball, his vision, his ability to pick out a defence splitting pass is second to none and with BR in charge I am hoping that we can sort out a permanent transfer in the summer as he could be the creative No 10 that we have been looking for.
So all in all, yesterdays game was a free pass for BR. 3 days with the players, no time to implement and drastic changes, he will still be in the "assessment" period of each player.
UTF
posted on 4/3/19
I thought it was a good summary too DUTAC.
It’s clear that we need to move the ball faster and cause more problems for other teams. In my view we’ve been way too easy to defend against and too ponderous in the final third. Even poor teams know to just sit deep against us and take their chance at the other end to win!
I also have hope that BR will be able to change this. I am with the pundits that beleive we have as good a squad as any outside the top 6, and I have hope that with time, we can start to put together some impressive performances.
As for Tielemans, he looks a class above. I hope he decides to join and enjoy his football for a bit in the summer. I worry big teams may come in for him but he seems to be enjoying his football again and that shouldn’t be underestimated.
He also seems to be very mature for his age and have his head screwed on. He could be a good influence on barnes, Maddison and Gray.
posted on 4/3/19
Black Starr - I remember from the past you mentioning you have problems; I think I remember some details you posted but I don't know whether that's all of it. Perhaps not. I do sympathise; as is said: Everyone has their private battles that the rest of us know nothing about.
Even so, try not to harangue people on here. Merseyside for example really hasn't been unreasonable; he can be a bit stubborn at times *CoughDeLaetCough* but it's just opinions. Just as you don't need additional stress from others, they don't need it from you either. You're still responsible for your actions toward others even when you feel like repeatedly bashing your head against a wall or sinking into a corner and sobbing for a few days.
posted on 4/3/19
If there’s is one thing I am not Dungeon, it’s stubborn. And I don’t care what you say on this matter, It will not make me change my mind or view 😉
Ps. RDL was rubbish. 100% true fact.
posted on 4/3/19
RDL was fantastic... He scored against Man U!
Really was $hite and I could not understand how he was even on the pitch most of the time!
posted on 4/3/19
BS hang in there buddy...... Just seems like you are in your dark place but do not give up! I love your insight and some of your commets just make me $iss myself...
posted on 4/3/19
Florida
posted on 4/3/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
I thought it was a good summary too DUTAC.
It’s clear that we need to move the ball faster and cause more problems for other teams. In my view we’ve been way too easy to defend against and too ponderous in the final third. Even poor teams know to just sit deep against us and take their chance at the other end to win!
I also have hope that BR will be able to change this. I am with the pundits that beleive we have as good a squad as any outside the top 6, and I have hope that with time, we can start to put together some impressive performances.
As for Tielemans, he looks a class above. I hope he decides to join and enjoy his football for a bit in the summer. I worry big teams may come in for him but he seems to be enjoying his football again and that shouldn’t be underestimated.
He also seems to be very mature for his age and have his head screwed on. He could be a good influence on barnes, Maddison and Gray.
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Mersey
I think one thing that is blindingly obvious (to most anyway) is that our speed of build up play does not suit our team, players etc. We have 2 main strengths as a starting 11 at the moment, the first is youth..... this can be a poisoned chalice but can also be a massive plus point depending on how the players are managed and how the team is set up. The second main strength we have is Pace, when you look at Vardy (yes that part of his game will diminish over the next 18 months thats for sure), Gray, Barnes, Ricardo, Chilwell etc. we do have pace in our side, so lets hope Brendan sees this as a strength and we start to play to our strength....... and slow ponderous build up play does not do this.
I am firmly in the camp that the future for LCFC looks brighter this afternoon than it did 8 days ago. Will it change overnight, no of course not. Do we as supporters have to expect some transition to BR's style between now and the start of next season? Yes of course, but Brendan has the experience of the PL and I for one feel that we are in safer hands now than we were.
But then again thats only my opinion
UTF
posted on 4/3/19
It’s funny how a manager change can being a positive vibe, but the club now seems a much more positive place.
Suddenly players are making positive noises in the media. Pundits are all saying Rodgers is an excellent coach. The squad is aligned to his ethos.
It all looks and feels good. Whereas 8 days ago it felt treacly and negative.
Now, that doesn’t mean to say all will be good. And certainly not instantly. There are clear problems with the team you’ve articulated above that may take time to fix. My hope is however, that Rodgers has enough ability to stabilise and build without too much disruption of a dip. And in reality we should still have a dip this season and remain fairly safe.
Hopefully we can then have a clear plan in the summer to add maybe just 1 or 2 experienced players in key positions to change things. I’m happy for the goalkeeper and centre forward slots to form part of that. If Vardy and Kasper don’t fit then get some money and spend it wisely. If they do fit, brilliant.
What does look clear though, is that we’ve been speaking to Rodgers for quite some time. The club had a plan clearly, they just had to execute it earlier than they would have liked!
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