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posted on 10/3/19

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posted on 10/3/19

comment by JohnTerrysHardTackle - #Lampard211 (U1634)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Jose Mourinho, just the Portuguese Fat Sam, teaching 19th century football. Klopp is the better manager, and Eva Caniero was right. #Hazard knows ✌ (U22090)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by JohnTerrysHardTackle - #Lampard211 (U1634)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Jose Mourinho, just the Portuguese Fat Sam, teaching 19th century football. Klopp is the better manager, and Eva Caniero was right. #Hazard knows ✌ (U22090)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by JohnTerrysHardTackle - #Lampard211 (U1634)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JohnTerrysHardTackle - #Lampard211 (U1634)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Jose Mourinho, just the Portuguese Fat Sam, teaching 19th century football. Klopp is the better manager, and Eva Caniero was right. #Hazard knows ✌ (U22090)
posted 5 seconds ago
The expectations were the exact same. Transition to a different style of play while getting top 4. We didn't expect to win the league that season in the same way we weren't expecting that this season. We fired AVB because we weren't getting top 4 with him. It's looking likely we won't get top 4 with Sarri so we should do the same. If anything, it's actually more important that we do get CL this year than it was back then. If we don't then it's 3/4 years without CL football and 2 in a row. That just isn't OK.
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They really weren’t - we’d finished 2nd the year before AVB came and had a squad capable of winning the CL, which he was wasting.

This time we have a squad with finished 5th last year and doesn’t have the experience or leaders that the 2012 squad did. It’s just not a good comparison.
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And missing out on the CL 3/4 times is not Sarri’s daily - that’s indicative of a much bigger problem at the club, a lack of a long term vision which has allowed teams that have given their managers time and resources to overtake us. Sack Sarri and we’re back to square one - again.
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So because Man City and Liverpool have succeeded with the long term approach, that's the only way to succeed? Surely we as a club disprove that with our success under Mourinho, Ancelotti, Conte and even Di Matteo? Don't forget as well that City and Liverpool have taken the best 'long term' managers already. We're settling for the B-level Guardiola basically with Sarri.
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That’s the past - football is different now
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We won the league with Conte two years ago.
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And then finished 6th, when he had a full schedule to contend with. Add to that, Conte’s title win was before Klopp and Pep got their projects to the point they’re at now. City got 100 points last year, both of the top 2 are on course to get 90+ this year. That’s our new reality.

Also, we’re now unable to blow other teams out of the market in terms of transfer fees/ wages in a way that we used to under most of the managers you have mentioned above. The whole football landscape has changed, we either move with the times or get left behind which is exactly what City and Liverpool have done to us.
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The money argument is fair enough, but I don't buy that football has changed or anything. Guardiola and Klopp are just good managers. Doesn't mean that's the only way to succeed now.

posted on 10/3/19

comment by DL11 (U21614)
posted 3 minutes ago
How the hell is this guy still allowed on the Chelsea board? He's made it clear how much he hates us.
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Oh shiiit, I need to bail before this cuuunt starts making complaints. Later.

posted on 10/3/19

comment by Jose Mourinho, just the Portuguese Fat Sam, teaching 19th century football. Klopp is the better manager, and Eva Caniero was right. #Hazard knows ✌ (U22090)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by DL11 (U21614)
posted 3 minutes ago
How the hell is this guy still allowed on the Chelsea board? He's made it clear how much he hates us.
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Oh shiiit, I need to bail before this cuuunt starts making complaints. Later.
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Admit your true colours and or at the very least cut the bullshet about being one of us, then I won't contest you posting on our board

posted on 10/3/19

Read my comments on this thread where I talk in depth about AVB. I clearly am a Chelsea fan.

comment by Devil (U6522)

posted on 10/3/19

He can give the ball away cheaply at times, yes, but it is often overstated. He isn’t supposed to be our main creative threat from midfield. It’s like slating Busquets for making too many short passes
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I switch off as soon as I hear that "short passes" carp about Jorginho. Cos Fernandinho sprays it all over the pitch for City? Busquets sprays it all over the pitch for Barca? If Kante played there, like many Chelsea fans want, it would be like pinball back and forth because of all the 30 yard pingers?

Some fans seriously. Criticize the guy fine, but criticize the things that are relevant please!!!

posted on 10/3/19

Pep struggled in his first season, and the team he inherited was top class, needed to spent a fortune to be where they are now. Also, Klopp is in his 5th season and has spent a fortune in building this team, not sure he’ll win the league either.

posted on 10/3/19

comment by LegendOsgood (U7946)
posted 51 minutes ago
Wait a sec is this wahldude?


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...oh leg'

posted on 10/3/19

AVB and Scolari struggled in their first season too and we furrrked them off. Struggling in your first season doesn't guarantee success in your later seasons lol, that's ridiculous.

posted on 10/3/19

comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
Pedro played the full-match against Kiev
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And?

we are talking of professional footballers who should be able to play twice a week.

posted on 10/3/19

comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
There are no Chelsea fans who wouldn’t want their academy players starting regularly. But you have to be realistic as well. Sarri is under pressure to deliver CL, he’s certainly not stating to experiment with young and inexperienced players.
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Give me one reason why he shouldn't when his old and experienced players are constantly failing him?

posted on 10/3/19

comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
There are no Chelsea fans who wouldn’t want their academy players starting regularly. But you have to be realistic as well. Sarri is under pressure to deliver CL, he’s certainly not stating to experiment with young and inexperienced players.
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Give me one reason why he shouldn't when his old and experienced players are constantly failing him?
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Agree with you he should've given them chances, when we're struggling for a couple of months. But since the Man City thumping last month, both RLC and CHO have been given a fair crack. In fact if RLC hadn't suffered back injuries, he would been playing a lot more. None of our previous managers has given our youth as much time as Sarri has this season, despite being asked to change the style of play, whilst trying to achieve top 4.

Why is Sarri singled out for harsh treatment in that respect ?

comment by Bov (U6696)

posted on 10/3/19

comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
It’s telling that you’d rather focus on Jorginho individually being the reason why we started having more shots on goal after he was taken off, rather than the change to bring on an extra forward and move to a 4-2-3-1.
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It's telling that we didn't start with a more attacking line up against a side that defended so deeply as was expected. Instead we pusssyfooted around going no where. You can take your Regista and fancy Dan terms but it won't wash with me. He is slowing us down. But then again starting with him and Kovacic is it any wonder. Do you think the fans in a he stadium that we're happy to see him subbed know nothing of this game? if he wants to play he needs to earn the right and he isn't doing it. So Sideshow why didn't we start with a more attacking line up against a team that was always going to defend in two banks at times they had one up ? Why play so many midfielders that cannot create an opening which most knowledgeable fans knew would be the case? Tell me how telling that is of the managers plan for the day? Imagine putting on players that can do damage only after you concede? Stupid, most certainly

posted on 10/3/19

comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
There are no Chelsea fans who wouldn’t want their academy players starting regularly. But you have to be realistic as well. Sarri is under pressure to deliver CL, he’s certainly not stating to experiment with young and inexperienced players.
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Give me one reason why he shouldn't when his old and experienced players are constantly failing him?
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Agree with you he should've given them chances, when we're struggling for a couple of months. But since the Man City thumping last month, both RLC and CHO have been given a fair crack. In fact if RLC hadn't suffered back injuries, he would been playing a lot more. None of our previous managers has given our youth as much time as Sarri has this season, despite being asked to change the style of play, whilst trying to achieve top 4.

Why is Sarri singled out for harsh treatment in that respect ?
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Where have I singled out Sarri?

Our two previous managers have been as guilty - doesn't excuse the present incumbent for it though!

posted on 10/3/19

Sad to see some Chelsea fans booing Jorginho again. Even though he put on another solid display today and was mostly let down by his teammates’ lack of movement off the ball whenever he tried to be more aggressive with his passing.
The game feels more like a point earned rather than two points lost, but there were valuable lessons in the game that we need to learn from. One of those is that Mateo Kovacic probably shouldn’t start against teams who are very organised and are likely to park the bus. Chelsea showed more with Ruben Loftus-Cheek in 30 minutes than we did with Kovacic in 60 minutes.

Nevertheless the draw isn’t something to fret over, as Wolves have shown this season time and time again that they’re a “giant killer”. As such, we must obsess on the performance rather than the result; that is, we need faster tempo and better off-the-ball movement.

comment by Bov (U6696)

posted on 10/3/19

You carry on making excuses for Jorginho like it's everyone else's fault but his. To date none of you guys that back him can tell me why he is so sloppy with his passes which mean we are on the back foot due to his position. He has a willing runner in Higuain and two wingers in Hazard and Pedro, the latter was making many off the ball runs but was not picked out. Maybe I don't get what Jorg is meant to be doing out there. Earlier I was told you don't expect Busquets to play killer passes. I don't but I do know that Busquets is a physical player as well and can win the ball back Jorg is too slow to chase it seems and his tackling is not demonstrated enough. So please tell me what to expect from him that a Zola/Wilkins type of player couldn't do in there 40's? Is he the Emperors New Clothing?

posted on 10/3/19

He has a willing runner in Higuain and two wingers in Hazard and Pedro, the latter was making many off the ball runs but was not picked out.
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What ? I am not sure what game where you watching today. Certainly not Hazard or Higuain today. Pedro is a willing runner, but Wolves sat far too deep, for him to find space being their defence. Sarri realised this and proceeded to change the formation as a result we rescued a point.

posted on 10/3/19

Sarri realised this and proceeded to change the formation as a result we rescued a point.
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Yeah - he took Jorginho off!

posted on 10/3/19

Exactly. Sarri is learning to be flexible

comment by Devil (U6522)

posted on 10/3/19

You can take your Regista and fancy Dan terms but it won't wash with me
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The Regista thing has hurt him IMO, it's given him a perception of being something he isn't for fans who aren't familiar with the term. A 'Regista' is essentially an aggressive deep lying playmaker and I'm assuming most people think that means more direct passes (possibly because Pirlo's acknowledged as the ultimate definition of one), so I'm guessing that's where the "5 yard passes" slender comes from? Do correct if I'm wrong, I'm just assuming that.

The difference between a Regista and DLP is the aggressive movement, they'll drift ahead of the CM's occupying a no.10 like role if they feel safe to do so - that's how Jorginho played at Napoli. IMO, half of the reason he's struggling to influence games like he was at the start of the season where he was doing that regularly isn't just that teams have worked out shutting down his supply renders us incapable of playing that back to front possession game which is the essence of SarriBall (forcing us to go side to side instead), it's the fact Sarri obviously rained him in since Oct-Nov realizing you need some type of ever present shield for the defensive line in the PL. He's not been playing like a Regista for ages now and I think he's still adjusting to that, as are the rest of the midfield as it puts even more responsibility on them to be a creative presence too.

posted on 10/3/19

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posted on 11/3/19

Side...your last paragraph is bang on the money...sums us up yesterday

comment by Bov (U6696)

posted on 11/3/19

comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
posted 7 hours, 46 minutes ago
Exactly. Sarri is learning to be flexible
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No. Sarri is bowing to fan pressure at the game. He realised he made a complete mess of his starting line up and Jorginho and Kovacic do not work well together against a side that was always going to sit deep(does Sarri have a scout or watch any football on tv) he then had to roll the dice and change to the attacking formation he should've started with except for one of the 3 widemen that ended the game albeit Hazard more central, but he stubbornly sticks with what he knows. He has only himself to blame and in the meanwhile top 4 is slipping away.

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 11/3/19

I don't think that Jorginho + Kovacic combo together works well enough against any opposition as it lacks attacking impetus and creativity.

It should be one or the other starting with Loftus-Cheek entrusted to start more games now and help give us that attacking drive we're missing from midfield over 90 minutes.

posted on 13/3/19

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 days, 8 hours ago
I don't think that Jorginho + Kovacic combo together works well enough against any opposition as it lacks attacking impetus and creativity.

It should be one or the other starting with Loftus-Cheek entrusted to start more games now and help give us that attacking drive we're missing from midfield over 90 minutes.
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That's the thing, he doesn't have the stamina to give that drive over 90 minutes.

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