Give it a rest, the guys just been great for us these past 3 games and you feel the need to blame him now.
Do I think he should be our main striker going forward, no. Does that mean he should be criticised after a disappointing defeat like today, no. You’re far too quick to criticise any player you don’t particularly like but are completely fine giving benefit of the doubt to a player you rate.
Maybe stop being a moaning little sh-t and just be pleased that we’ve been brilliant these past few months and accept we’ll have bad performances now and then.
Don't think Lukaku was as bad as some today, was unlucky not to score really, fine margins, Pogba, Rashford, Matic and Lindelof were well below par
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 minutes ago
Give it a rest, the guys just been great for us these past 3 games and you feel the need to blame him now.
Do I think he should be our main striker going forward, no. Does that mean he should be criticised after a disappointing defeat like today, no. You’re far too quick to criticise any player you don’t particularly like but are completely fine giving benefit of the doubt to a player you rate.
Maybe stop being a moaning little sh-t and just be pleased that we’ve been brilliant these past few months and accept we’ll have bad performances now and then.
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This
The serial moaners are the reason this club is labelled with a plastic fan base.
I backed jose ffs, but fast forward 3 months and look at where we are. Christ all mighty, we are as good as can be right jow, this defeat was coming and my first thoughts now are how we bounce back.
Ole
It's the same old story with Lukaku, though. He has a good run of form and looks to be turning a corner, then follows it up with game changing misses against the better opposition. He actually played well overall today, in fairness to him, but those two big chances he missed (the second one first half was more difficult) just sums up his time with us. They came in important periods of the game as well because Arsenal scored both their goals not long after.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
"Problem is that there’s not that many elite cf’s available, and people want Rashford to be the man even though he’s not at that level either"
It isn't all about levels, it's about the style and how we play as a unit. Our pressing is all but void when Lukaku plays. If rashford and Lingard aren't playing we often look ok the back foot.
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Rashford was woeful today. Injury and fatigue added in.
Ole should have gone with peirara (sp) for me.
All strikers miss chances Darren guy. Even Kane/Aguero do.
Of course they do, but not many strikers miss as many chances as Lukaku does in the big moments. And that's the problem with him. We can talk about his crap all round game all we like, but he's a goal scorer and when it comes to the crunch against the best teams he bottles it far too often.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Give it a rest, the guys just been great for us these past 3 games and you feel the need to blame him now.
Do I think he should be our main striker going forward, no. Does that mean he should be criticised after a disappointing defeat like today, no. You’re far too quick to criticise any player you don’t particularly like but are completely fine giving benefit of the doubt to a player you rate.
Maybe stop being a moaning little sh-t and just be pleased that we’ve been brilliant these past few months and accept we’ll have bad performances now and then.
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It's not just because of today though, the people who criticise him have been consistent in their criticism. The majority of people on here already know what he's like and how terrible he can be. A blind man can see that we won't be dominant again with inconsistent players/goal scorers like Lukaku.
I'm confident that if Lukaku continues this type of patchy form under, Ole will see to it he doesn't start games or is sold.
It’s a bit silly to say he missed those chances because it was a big team. He didn’t miss chances against PSG just the other day.
It was just an off day
The record he has with us against the big sides doesn’t tell the full story either. The vast majority of the time for us under Jose he was isolated with no service so it’s an unfair way to judge him as there are so many factors.
At Everton in his last couple of seasons he scored against Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and home and away against city. For us he’s scored against Real, PSG, Sevilla and Chelsea and even taking away goals the last time he played on this ground a few weeks back he was very good in assisting two of our goals and could easily have had an assist today if Rashford connected with a great cross
He has flaws and there is deffo a debate to be said whether or not he should be our number one striker (which is far from a debate which has been won by either ‘side’ ) but I really don’t think he chokes against big sides especially. Against Saints last week he also missed chances. Against PSG he had two chances and scored both. At worst he’s a guy who has off days and on days. All strikers have them. Unfortunately today lots of players had off days and in the United teams I remember when the likes of Andy Cole had off days the likes of Scholes, Giggs or Beckham stepped up
Today no one did
Lukaku seems to always have big chances in the big games in PL but he only managed 1 goal. I noticed every game recently he has at least 3 clear chances to score.
but I really don’t think he chokes against big sides especially.
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This is why people don't take you seriously.
Lukaku actually played well today but shocking finishing
Worst players on the pitch today for us was Rashford. He was dreadful with Lindelof and Matic not too far behind
when your team lose a game as a fan I think it is natural to think what you could do better going forward.
and this might means admitting one or two of your players are not quite what we need. And as long as it is not reactionary then I feel fans are entitled to this.
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
but I really don’t think he chokes against big sides especially.
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Well done for reading one line of my comment
He misses chances against everyone. He scores against all sorts of team - big or small. There’s no huge correlation between the both unless you can present any evidence he misses more big chances against big sides than small ones
Dumb-assed Lukaku haters gonna carry on that hate, regardless of any contrary evidence.
Nowt else needed in response really.
There is no doubt lukaku is a choker against the big sides in the league. His record proves that. It is simply appalling. His overall play today was actually very good but you have to finish them chances. Rashford needs to step it up though. Been poor the last 3 games
comment by mour money_mour problemz (U13920)
posted 34 minutes ago
the most worrying observation for me is that I have noticed rashford general play get worse too since the liverpool game when he got injured.
a part of me wants to think rashford is just going to a bad spell but there is also a part of me thinking he is being dragged down by the presence of lukaku.
Good attacking players enjoy playing with each other butI have not seen that joy in rashford in recent games. I might just be reading too much into it
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This is the main issue for me. Been saying it for well over a year now. He simply isn't on the same wave length as our other attacking players. Rather see the youngsters used as backup
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by mour money_mour problemz (U13920)
posted 34 minutes ago
the most worrying observation for me is that I have noticed rashford general play get worse too since the liverpool game when he got injured.
a part of me wants to think rashford is just going to a bad spell but there is also a part of me thinking he is being dragged down by the presence of lukaku.
Good attacking players enjoy playing with each other butI have not seen that joy in rashford in recent games. I might just be reading too much into it
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This is the main issue for me. Been saying it for well over a year now. He simply isn't on the same wave length as our other attacking players. Rather see the youngsters used as backup
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Of course he’s on the same wavelength as our attacking players. Today he put in a great ball for Rash and on another day Rash scores it. He had three great chances today - all because he was on the same wavelength as our side and got into those positions
Sure, I’m a big Lukaku fan but some people will go so far to defend Rashford that they’ll make up examples of where Lukaku is ruining him
And this is just days after Rash himself said he and Lukaku work very well together up top
Rob they have worked OK today. But you will never see an attacking line up with Rash, Martial, Pogba and Jesse being as fluid if you replace one of them with Lukaku. His brain doesn't work quick enough and he isn't as capable of the one/two touch passing game.
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
Of course they do, but not many strikers miss as many chances as Lukaku does in the big moments. And that's the problem with him. We can talk about his crap all round game all we like, but he's a goal scorer and when it comes to the crunch against the best teams he bottles it far too often.
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you are right, and I just made a realisation after reading your post
i am a fan of a fluid interchangeable attack and always thought that was why I never adored lukaku. But after reading your post I think you nailed it. He just doesn't score enough crunch goals for the other weaknesses in his games to be forgiven coupled with the misses.
A stark contrast was chicharito, whose first touch was almost as bad as lukaku but boy did utd fans love him because he scored those crunch goals.
comment by mour money_mour problemz (U13920)
posted 7 minutes ago
when your team lose a game as a fan I think it is natural to think what you could do better going forward.
and this might means admitting one or two of your players are not quite what we need. And as long as it is not reactionary then I feel fans are entitled to this.
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Absolutely, some people only want to hear nice things.
Lukaku will let us down again, of this I'm sure but he will only need to score a winner against City next month for some people to ignore his massive weaknesses.
The vast majority of United fans don’t see Lukaku as our main striker, so this need to slate him off the back of some great performances is just typical moaning because things aren’t perfect.
The fact is if another player performs like Lukaku then they don’t get the same criticism, and that’s the issue. All players can have bad performances and criticism is fine, but just be fair and equal with it.
To be fair Robb has a good point there.
Easy to say Lukaku doesn’t do the business against the top sides, but how many games against the other big 6 have we bossed since he signed/under Jose?
The games we won at Spurs and Arsenal this season we were massively under pressure for most of them.
We don’t beat the big teams well do we? We sometimes play well and nick a deserved win but it’s not like we dominate and create a shed load of chances, most of the time.
It’s frustrating when he misses the simple ones but we can’t claim to have great options in MR, RL, PP, JL and TM then only slate Lukaku for missing chances. Rashford had a worse game today
Anyway, would prefer to lose this one over PSG or Wolves next week. We can still get top 4.
Final thought - Jon Moss is an utter , dodgiest penalty I’ve ever seen, at the worst possible time
JonVeron (U6514)
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like you said we do not dominate big teams
so this is why it is important our cf is clinical especially if he is not going to contribute much else in general play
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posted on 10/3/19
Give it a rest, the guys just been great for us these past 3 games and you feel the need to blame him now.
Do I think he should be our main striker going forward, no. Does that mean he should be criticised after a disappointing defeat like today, no. You’re far too quick to criticise any player you don’t particularly like but are completely fine giving benefit of the doubt to a player you rate.
Maybe stop being a moaning little sh-t and just be pleased that we’ve been brilliant these past few months and accept we’ll have bad performances now and then.
posted on 10/3/19
Don't think Lukaku was as bad as some today, was unlucky not to score really, fine margins, Pogba, Rashford, Matic and Lindelof were well below par
posted on 10/3/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 minutes ago
Give it a rest, the guys just been great for us these past 3 games and you feel the need to blame him now.
Do I think he should be our main striker going forward, no. Does that mean he should be criticised after a disappointing defeat like today, no. You’re far too quick to criticise any player you don’t particularly like but are completely fine giving benefit of the doubt to a player you rate.
Maybe stop being a moaning little sh-t and just be pleased that we’ve been brilliant these past few months and accept we’ll have bad performances now and then.
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This
The serial moaners are the reason this club is labelled with a plastic fan base.
I backed jose ffs, but fast forward 3 months and look at where we are. Christ all mighty, we are as good as can be right jow, this defeat was coming and my first thoughts now are how we bounce back.
Ole
posted on 10/3/19
It's the same old story with Lukaku, though. He has a good run of form and looks to be turning a corner, then follows it up with game changing misses against the better opposition. He actually played well overall today, in fairness to him, but those two big chances he missed (the second one first half was more difficult) just sums up his time with us. They came in important periods of the game as well because Arsenal scored both their goals not long after.
posted on 10/3/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
"Problem is that there’s not that many elite cf’s available, and people want Rashford to be the man even though he’s not at that level either"
It isn't all about levels, it's about the style and how we play as a unit. Our pressing is all but void when Lukaku plays. If rashford and Lingard aren't playing we often look ok the back foot.
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Rashford was woeful today. Injury and fatigue added in.
Ole should have gone with peirara (sp) for me.
posted on 10/3/19
All strikers miss chances Darren guy. Even Kane/Aguero do.
posted on 10/3/19
Of course they do, but not many strikers miss as many chances as Lukaku does in the big moments. And that's the problem with him. We can talk about his crap all round game all we like, but he's a goal scorer and when it comes to the crunch against the best teams he bottles it far too often.
posted on 10/3/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Give it a rest, the guys just been great for us these past 3 games and you feel the need to blame him now.
Do I think he should be our main striker going forward, no. Does that mean he should be criticised after a disappointing defeat like today, no. You’re far too quick to criticise any player you don’t particularly like but are completely fine giving benefit of the doubt to a player you rate.
Maybe stop being a moaning little sh-t and just be pleased that we’ve been brilliant these past few months and accept we’ll have bad performances now and then.
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It's not just because of today though, the people who criticise him have been consistent in their criticism. The majority of people on here already know what he's like and how terrible he can be. A blind man can see that we won't be dominant again with inconsistent players/goal scorers like Lukaku.
I'm confident that if Lukaku continues this type of patchy form under, Ole will see to it he doesn't start games or is sold.
posted on 10/3/19
It’s a bit silly to say he missed those chances because it was a big team. He didn’t miss chances against PSG just the other day.
It was just an off day
The record he has with us against the big sides doesn’t tell the full story either. The vast majority of the time for us under Jose he was isolated with no service so it’s an unfair way to judge him as there are so many factors.
At Everton in his last couple of seasons he scored against Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and home and away against city. For us he’s scored against Real, PSG, Sevilla and Chelsea and even taking away goals the last time he played on this ground a few weeks back he was very good in assisting two of our goals and could easily have had an assist today if Rashford connected with a great cross
He has flaws and there is deffo a debate to be said whether or not he should be our number one striker (which is far from a debate which has been won by either ‘side’ ) but I really don’t think he chokes against big sides especially. Against Saints last week he also missed chances. Against PSG he had two chances and scored both. At worst he’s a guy who has off days and on days. All strikers have them. Unfortunately today lots of players had off days and in the United teams I remember when the likes of Andy Cole had off days the likes of Scholes, Giggs or Beckham stepped up
Today no one did
posted on 10/3/19
Lukaku seems to always have big chances in the big games in PL but he only managed 1 goal. I noticed every game recently he has at least 3 clear chances to score.
posted on 10/3/19
but I really don’t think he chokes against big sides especially.
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This is why people don't take you seriously.
posted on 10/3/19
Lukaku actually played well today but shocking finishing
Worst players on the pitch today for us was Rashford. He was dreadful with Lindelof and Matic not too far behind
posted on 10/3/19
when your team lose a game as a fan I think it is natural to think what you could do better going forward.
and this might means admitting one or two of your players are not quite what we need. And as long as it is not reactionary then I feel fans are entitled to this.
posted on 10/3/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
but I really don’t think he chokes against big sides especially.
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Well done for reading one line of my comment
He misses chances against everyone. He scores against all sorts of team - big or small. There’s no huge correlation between the both unless you can present any evidence he misses more big chances against big sides than small ones
posted on 10/3/19
Dumb-assed Lukaku haters gonna carry on that hate, regardless of any contrary evidence.
Nowt else needed in response really.
posted on 10/3/19
It was the funniest bit.
posted on 10/3/19
There is no doubt lukaku is a choker against the big sides in the league. His record proves that. It is simply appalling. His overall play today was actually very good but you have to finish them chances. Rashford needs to step it up though. Been poor the last 3 games
posted on 10/3/19
comment by mour money_mour problemz (U13920)
posted 34 minutes ago
the most worrying observation for me is that I have noticed rashford general play get worse too since the liverpool game when he got injured.
a part of me wants to think rashford is just going to a bad spell but there is also a part of me thinking he is being dragged down by the presence of lukaku.
Good attacking players enjoy playing with each other butI have not seen that joy in rashford in recent games. I might just be reading too much into it
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This is the main issue for me. Been saying it for well over a year now. He simply isn't on the same wave length as our other attacking players. Rather see the youngsters used as backup
posted on 10/3/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by mour money_mour problemz (U13920)
posted 34 minutes ago
the most worrying observation for me is that I have noticed rashford general play get worse too since the liverpool game when he got injured.
a part of me wants to think rashford is just going to a bad spell but there is also a part of me thinking he is being dragged down by the presence of lukaku.
Good attacking players enjoy playing with each other butI have not seen that joy in rashford in recent games. I might just be reading too much into it
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This is the main issue for me. Been saying it for well over a year now. He simply isn't on the same wave length as our other attacking players. Rather see the youngsters used as backup
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Of course he’s on the same wavelength as our attacking players. Today he put in a great ball for Rash and on another day Rash scores it. He had three great chances today - all because he was on the same wavelength as our side and got into those positions
Sure, I’m a big Lukaku fan but some people will go so far to defend Rashford that they’ll make up examples of where Lukaku is ruining him
And this is just days after Rash himself said he and Lukaku work very well together up top
posted on 10/3/19
Rob they have worked OK today. But you will never see an attacking line up with Rash, Martial, Pogba and Jesse being as fluid if you replace one of them with Lukaku. His brain doesn't work quick enough and he isn't as capable of the one/two touch passing game.
posted on 10/3/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
Of course they do, but not many strikers miss as many chances as Lukaku does in the big moments. And that's the problem with him. We can talk about his crap all round game all we like, but he's a goal scorer and when it comes to the crunch against the best teams he bottles it far too often.
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you are right, and I just made a realisation after reading your post
i am a fan of a fluid interchangeable attack and always thought that was why I never adored lukaku. But after reading your post I think you nailed it. He just doesn't score enough crunch goals for the other weaknesses in his games to be forgiven coupled with the misses.
A stark contrast was chicharito, whose first touch was almost as bad as lukaku but boy did utd fans love him because he scored those crunch goals.
posted on 10/3/19
comment by mour money_mour problemz (U13920)
posted 7 minutes ago
when your team lose a game as a fan I think it is natural to think what you could do better going forward.
and this might means admitting one or two of your players are not quite what we need. And as long as it is not reactionary then I feel fans are entitled to this.
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Absolutely, some people only want to hear nice things.
Lukaku will let us down again, of this I'm sure but he will only need to score a winner against City next month for some people to ignore his massive weaknesses.
posted on 10/3/19
The vast majority of United fans don’t see Lukaku as our main striker, so this need to slate him off the back of some great performances is just typical moaning because things aren’t perfect.
The fact is if another player performs like Lukaku then they don’t get the same criticism, and that’s the issue. All players can have bad performances and criticism is fine, but just be fair and equal with it.
posted on 10/3/19
To be fair Robb has a good point there.
Easy to say Lukaku doesn’t do the business against the top sides, but how many games against the other big 6 have we bossed since he signed/under Jose?
The games we won at Spurs and Arsenal this season we were massively under pressure for most of them.
We don’t beat the big teams well do we? We sometimes play well and nick a deserved win but it’s not like we dominate and create a shed load of chances, most of the time.
It’s frustrating when he misses the simple ones but we can’t claim to have great options in MR, RL, PP, JL and TM then only slate Lukaku for missing chances. Rashford had a worse game today
Anyway, would prefer to lose this one over PSG or Wolves next week. We can still get top 4.
Final thought - Jon Moss is an utter , dodgiest penalty I’ve ever seen, at the worst possible time
posted on 10/3/19
JonVeron (U6514)
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like you said we do not dominate big teams
so this is why it is important our cf is clinical especially if he is not going to contribute much else in general play
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