comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm not knocking Messi btw, he's very good at what he does, and you can pretty much tell what he's going to do, Maradona just seem to play off the cuff and was sensational at it
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Maradona never won the European Cup and never had anything like the level of professionalism of Messi or Ronaldo, which of course never gave him the consistency. Maradona was finished by the age of 31. Look at Ronaldo and Messi still flourishing at the highest level.
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
comment by Firkin (U19526)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm not knocking Messi btw, he's very good at what he does, and you can pretty much tell what he's going to do, Maradona just seem to play off the cuff and was sensational at it
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Maradona never won the European Cup and never had anything like the level of professionalism of Messi or Ronaldo, which of course never gave him the consistency. Maradona was finished by the age of 31. Look at Ronaldo and Messi still flourishing at the highest level.
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
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You could argue they were at better clubs in a better environment, they've also had the benefit of modern sports science too to help prolong their careers
Having watched all three play football though, I'd have to say Maradona was superior to them both
I'm not old enough to have seen George best, Cruyff, Pele, Eusebio, Matthews etc
So I'm prepared to be put straight on how Maradona compares to those
Ronaldinho was the most talented footballer ive ever seen, sorry these runs that messi does are incredible but there more about leverage and low centre of gravity, Ronaldinho brought the skill from street football to professional football better than any footballer in history, he moved past players not just with acceleration but amazing pieces of skill, that 2 year period he was a match for any player in history
messi/Ronaldo will go down greater because of longevity and so they should their freaks but on pure talent its not even close
"Messi will go down as a great Ronaldinho type player, but the cold hard text will tell your grandson a different story."
Nah, they both go down as legends of the game.
Ronaldihno - my favourite most naturally entertaining footballer to watch of my living memory as a neutral.
That magnificent period was such a blessing to witness.
Even now when i watch him post retirement casually playing football or doing ball tricks i just have a big grin and watch in awe. Always have time for Ronaldihno
"Barca have been competing at the highest stage for more than a decade now. No team lasts that long."
They haven't got past a CL QF since 14/15.
I read Messi hasn’t scored past the last 16 in the champions league since 2011. This isn't true surely?
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
"Barca have been competing at the highest stage for more than a decade now. No team lasts that long."
They haven't got past a CL QF since 14/15.
I read Messi hasn’t scored past the last 16 in the champions league since 2011. This isn't true surely?
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It isn't true, Messi hasn't scored in a last 16 game since a 2-2 draw was PSG in April 2013.
Ronaldo has scored 19 in that time.
Unbelievable.
I read Messi hasn’t scored past the last 16 in the champions league since 2011. This isn't true surely?
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defo not true, he hasn't scored many past that stage in the last few years but straight away I remember his goals against Bayern at home when they won 3 nil a few seaons back
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Firkin (U19526)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm not knocking Messi btw, he's very good at what he does, and you can pretty much tell what he's going to do, Maradona just seem to play off the cuff and was sensational at it
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Maradona never won the European Cup and never had anything like the level of professionalism of Messi or Ronaldo, which of course never gave him the consistency. Maradona was finished by the age of 31. Look at Ronaldo and Messi still flourishing at the highest level.
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
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You could argue they were at better clubs in a better environment, they've also had the benefit of modern sports science too to help prolong their careers
Having watched all three play football though, I'd have to say Maradona was superior to them both
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The European Cup argument is a really stupid one. Messi and Ronaldo have had the chance to participate virtually every single season in their careers, with the added luxury of having an opening 6-match seeded group instead of unseeded, direct knockout draws. Maradona only got two chances; in one, they came across one of the strongest teams in Europe in the first round, and in the other he was barely fit.
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
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something messi/Ronaldo have never done, most if not all titles/cups they have won have been with teams that have been pretty much favourites to win, you've seen what messi has been able to accomplish with argentina when he doesn't have the fallback of his barce team mates, at least Ronaldo to an extent can point to the euros
Amongst many other things, not least his goalscoring prowess, Ronaldo also needs to be acknowledged for how perfectly he's timed his career moves.
As for his 'big game player' status, while he's put in some absolutely remarkable goal returns, he hasn't always been that big game player he's most reknowned for. Despite the fact he's been on 5 Champions League winning sides, he's only actually delivered one, or at best two MotM performances in those 'biggest of all' games. His performance in the final was well below his own high standard, even poor to average in absolute terms.
His performance in the final was well below his own high standard, even poor to average in absolute terms.
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*in 3 of those finals.
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comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 14 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 4 minutes ago
Simple way to decide who is the best player ever between the two...
Whoever in their respective careers has hacked it at the Britannia Stadium on a cold winter's day and came out victorious is the best player ever...
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Hahaha its such a ridiculous statement really isn't it.
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Even Peter Crouch on his podcast said - unprompted - that he felt that Stoke team he played in with Rory Delap would’ve given Barcelona a game
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 14 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 4 minutes ago
Simple way to decide who is the best player ever between the two...
Whoever in their respective careers has hacked it at the Britannia Stadium on a cold winter's day and came out victorious is the best player ever...
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Hahaha its such a ridiculous statement really isn't it.
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Even Peter Crouch on his podcast said - unprompted - that he felt that Stoke team he played in with Rory Delap would’ve given Barcelona a game
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To be fair, 'windy' has always been one of the key conditions in that scenario, and as we know through Herr Klopp, that is an absolutely crucial factor in separating the wheat from the chaff.
Though come to think of it , I think what he's tried to imply is that the better players actually tend to struggle in the wind, rather than prove themselves by overcoming those conditions.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 14 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 4 minutes ago
Simple way to decide who is the best player ever between the two...
Whoever in their respective careers has hacked it at the Britannia Stadium on a cold winter's day and came out victorious is the best player ever...
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Hahaha its such a ridiculous statement really isn't it.
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Even Peter Crouch on his podcast said - unprompted - that he felt that Stoke team he played in with Rory Delap would’ve given Barcelona a game
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In the prem they probably would
In Europe they would have been down to about 6 men at HT
Ronaldinho, most overrated player of all time. Ronaldo is a god, no human shall be compared to him
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overrated? get a dictionary, then smack yourself to death with said dictionary
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Firkin (U19526)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm not knocking Messi btw, he's very good at what he does, and you can pretty much tell what he's going to do, Maradona just seem to play off the cuff and was sensational at it
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Maradona never won the European Cup and never had anything like the level of professionalism of Messi or Ronaldo, which of course never gave him the consistency. Maradona was finished by the age of 31. Look at Ronaldo and Messi still flourishing at the highest level.
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
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You could argue they were at better clubs in a better environment, they've also had the benefit of modern sports science too to help prolong their careers
Having watched all three play football though, I'd have to say Maradona was superior to them both
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The European Cup argument is a really stupid one. Messi and Ronaldo have had the chance to participate virtually every single season in their careers, with the added luxury of having an opening 6-match seeded group instead of unseeded, direct knockout draws. Maradona only got two chances; in one, they came across one of the strongest teams in Europe in the first round, and in the other he was barely fit.
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They came up against Real Madrid and didn't stand too much of a chance, but second time it was against the mighty Spartak Moscow. If Maradona was unfit, this was 1990/1991. Have we seen Messi or Ronaldo cry off as unfit? No we haven't.
As much as Maradona was excellent (he was), people beat Messi over the head far too much for being in a top team. He's there for a reason, and players can choke when there's expectation when playing for a top team. Messi and Ronaldo don't do that. Maradona did play for Barcelona for a little while, but maybe he should have tested himself more in a top team against the elite of Europe rather than being a whale in a small pond.
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
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something messi/Ronaldo have never done, most if not all titles/cups they have won have been with teams that have been pretty much favourites to win, you've seen what messi has been able to accomplish with argentina when he doesn't have the fallback of his barce team mates, at least Ronaldo to an extent can point to the euros
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Argentina have often been woefully mismanaged, such as by Maradona himself. There's also the issue that Messi is a great player, but not a great captain; Argentina would have benefited from someone else taking this responsibility. Argentina have also been an unbalanced team in the last ten years, with a glut of incredible attacking players and not a huge amount else. Just because someone doesn't win a World Cup of the Euros, it doesn't mean they're a poor player. Does anyone berate Bergkamp for not winning anything at international level? No.
Different eras, if Messi was playing in the mud 80's he'd have spent plenty of time on the treatment table because he would have been brutalised
Watch some footage of Maradona and the assaults he regularly faced on a football field
The modern game is geared up for attacking players to flourish with the virtual non contact policy in place now
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
Different eras, if Messi was playing in the mud 80's he'd have spent plenty of time on the treatment table because he would have been brutalised
Watch some footage of Maradona and the assaults he regularly faced on a football field
The modern game is geared up for attacking players to flourish with the virtual non contact policy in place now
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Messi is tougher than he looks. He's got the low centre of gravity like Maradona, even if he isn't quite so stocky.
Would Maradona have got away with everything he did in the 1980s today? Would his professionalism have made him more a Ravel Morrison than a Ronaldo?
The only thing Messi does better than Ronaldo is dribbling.
Apart from that Ronaldo is superior in every way and has won it all for club and country and has proved himself in 3 different countries at the highest level.
Messi hasn't
Messi is a far better playmaker than Ronaldo, it isn't even close.
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posted on 13/3/19
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm not knocking Messi btw, he's very good at what he does, and you can pretty much tell what he's going to do, Maradona just seem to play off the cuff and was sensational at it
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Maradona never won the European Cup and never had anything like the level of professionalism of Messi or Ronaldo, which of course never gave him the consistency. Maradona was finished by the age of 31. Look at Ronaldo and Messi still flourishing at the highest level.
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
posted on 13/3/19
comment by Firkin (U19526)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm not knocking Messi btw, he's very good at what he does, and you can pretty much tell what he's going to do, Maradona just seem to play off the cuff and was sensational at it
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Maradona never won the European Cup and never had anything like the level of professionalism of Messi or Ronaldo, which of course never gave him the consistency. Maradona was finished by the age of 31. Look at Ronaldo and Messi still flourishing at the highest level.
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
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You could argue they were at better clubs in a better environment, they've also had the benefit of modern sports science too to help prolong their careers
Having watched all three play football though, I'd have to say Maradona was superior to them both
posted on 13/3/19
I'm not old enough to have seen George best, Cruyff, Pele, Eusebio, Matthews etc
So I'm prepared to be put straight on how Maradona compares to those
posted on 13/3/19
Ronaldinho was the most talented footballer ive ever seen, sorry these runs that messi does are incredible but there more about leverage and low centre of gravity, Ronaldinho brought the skill from street football to professional football better than any footballer in history, he moved past players not just with acceleration but amazing pieces of skill, that 2 year period he was a match for any player in history
messi/Ronaldo will go down greater because of longevity and so they should their freaks but on pure talent its not even close
posted on 13/3/19
Kaz knows
posted on 13/3/19
"Messi will go down as a great Ronaldinho type player, but the cold hard text will tell your grandson a different story."
Nah, they both go down as legends of the game.
posted on 13/3/19
Ronaldihno - my favourite most naturally entertaining footballer to watch of my living memory as a neutral.
That magnificent period was such a blessing to witness.
Even now when i watch him post retirement casually playing football or doing ball tricks i just have a big grin and watch in awe. Always have time for Ronaldihno
posted on 13/3/19
"Barca have been competing at the highest stage for more than a decade now. No team lasts that long."
They haven't got past a CL QF since 14/15.
I read Messi hasn’t scored past the last 16 in the champions league since 2011. This isn't true surely?
posted on 13/3/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
"Barca have been competing at the highest stage for more than a decade now. No team lasts that long."
They haven't got past a CL QF since 14/15.
I read Messi hasn’t scored past the last 16 in the champions league since 2011. This isn't true surely?
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It isn't true, Messi hasn't scored in a last 16 game since a 2-2 draw was PSG in April 2013.
Ronaldo has scored 19 in that time.
Unbelievable.
posted on 13/3/19
I read Messi hasn’t scored past the last 16 in the champions league since 2011. This isn't true surely?
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defo not true, he hasn't scored many past that stage in the last few years but straight away I remember his goals against Bayern at home when they won 3 nil a few seaons back
posted on 13/3/19
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Firkin (U19526)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm not knocking Messi btw, he's very good at what he does, and you can pretty much tell what he's going to do, Maradona just seem to play off the cuff and was sensational at it
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Maradona never won the European Cup and never had anything like the level of professionalism of Messi or Ronaldo, which of course never gave him the consistency. Maradona was finished by the age of 31. Look at Ronaldo and Messi still flourishing at the highest level.
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could argue they were at better clubs in a better environment, they've also had the benefit of modern sports science too to help prolong their careers
Having watched all three play football though, I'd have to say Maradona was superior to them both
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The European Cup argument is a really stupid one. Messi and Ronaldo have had the chance to participate virtually every single season in their careers, with the added luxury of having an opening 6-match seeded group instead of unseeded, direct knockout draws. Maradona only got two chances; in one, they came across one of the strongest teams in Europe in the first round, and in the other he was barely fit.
posted on 13/3/19
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
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something messi/Ronaldo have never done, most if not all titles/cups they have won have been with teams that have been pretty much favourites to win, you've seen what messi has been able to accomplish with argentina when he doesn't have the fallback of his barce team mates, at least Ronaldo to an extent can point to the euros
posted on 13/3/19
Amongst many other things, not least his goalscoring prowess, Ronaldo also needs to be acknowledged for how perfectly he's timed his career moves.
As for his 'big game player' status, while he's put in some absolutely remarkable goal returns, he hasn't always been that big game player he's most reknowned for. Despite the fact he's been on 5 Champions League winning sides, he's only actually delivered one, or at best two MotM performances in those 'biggest of all' games. His performance in the final was well below his own high standard, even poor to average in absolute terms.
posted on 13/3/19
His performance in the final was well below his own high standard, even poor to average in absolute terms.
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*in 3 of those finals.
posted on 13/3/19
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posted on 13/3/19
comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 14 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 4 minutes ago
Simple way to decide who is the best player ever between the two...
Whoever in their respective careers has hacked it at the Britannia Stadium on a cold winter's day and came out victorious is the best player ever...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hahaha its such a ridiculous statement really isn't it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even Peter Crouch on his podcast said - unprompted - that he felt that Stoke team he played in with Rory Delap would’ve given Barcelona a game
posted on 13/3/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 14 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 4 minutes ago
Simple way to decide who is the best player ever between the two...
Whoever in their respective careers has hacked it at the Britannia Stadium on a cold winter's day and came out victorious is the best player ever...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hahaha its such a ridiculous statement really isn't it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even Peter Crouch on his podcast said - unprompted - that he felt that Stoke team he played in with Rory Delap would’ve given Barcelona a game
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, 'windy' has always been one of the key conditions in that scenario, and as we know through Herr Klopp, that is an absolutely crucial factor in separating the wheat from the chaff.
Though come to think of it , I think what he's tried to imply is that the better players actually tend to struggle in the wind, rather than prove themselves by overcoming those conditions.
posted on 13/3/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 14 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 4 minutes ago
Simple way to decide who is the best player ever between the two...
Whoever in their respective careers has hacked it at the Britannia Stadium on a cold winter's day and came out victorious is the best player ever...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hahaha its such a ridiculous statement really isn't it.
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Even Peter Crouch on his podcast said - unprompted - that he felt that Stoke team he played in with Rory Delap would’ve given Barcelona a game
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In the prem they probably would
In Europe they would have been down to about 6 men at HT
posted on 13/3/19
Ronaldinho, most overrated player of all time. Ronaldo is a god, no human shall be compared to him
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overrated? get a dictionary, then smack yourself to death with said dictionary
posted on 13/3/19
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Firkin (U19526)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm not knocking Messi btw, he's very good at what he does, and you can pretty much tell what he's going to do, Maradona just seem to play off the cuff and was sensational at it
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Maradona never won the European Cup and never had anything like the level of professionalism of Messi or Ronaldo, which of course never gave him the consistency. Maradona was finished by the age of 31. Look at Ronaldo and Messi still flourishing at the highest level.
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
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You could argue they were at better clubs in a better environment, they've also had the benefit of modern sports science too to help prolong their careers
Having watched all three play football though, I'd have to say Maradona was superior to them both
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The European Cup argument is a really stupid one. Messi and Ronaldo have had the chance to participate virtually every single season in their careers, with the added luxury of having an opening 6-match seeded group instead of unseeded, direct knockout draws. Maradona only got two chances; in one, they came across one of the strongest teams in Europe in the first round, and in the other he was barely fit.
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They came up against Real Madrid and didn't stand too much of a chance, but second time it was against the mighty Spartak Moscow. If Maradona was unfit, this was 1990/1991. Have we seen Messi or Ronaldo cry off as unfit? No we haven't.
As much as Maradona was excellent (he was), people beat Messi over the head far too much for being in a top team. He's there for a reason, and players can choke when there's expectation when playing for a top team. Messi and Ronaldo don't do that. Maradona did play for Barcelona for a little while, but maybe he should have tested himself more in a top team against the elite of Europe rather than being a whale in a small pond.
posted on 13/3/19
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
Maradona's two claims to greatness are dragging Napoli to winning Serie A twice, and Argentina to winning the World Cup once.
In every other way, Messi and Ronaldo are better than him.
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something messi/Ronaldo have never done, most if not all titles/cups they have won have been with teams that have been pretty much favourites to win, you've seen what messi has been able to accomplish with argentina when he doesn't have the fallback of his barce team mates, at least Ronaldo to an extent can point to the euros
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Argentina have often been woefully mismanaged, such as by Maradona himself. There's also the issue that Messi is a great player, but not a great captain; Argentina would have benefited from someone else taking this responsibility. Argentina have also been an unbalanced team in the last ten years, with a glut of incredible attacking players and not a huge amount else. Just because someone doesn't win a World Cup of the Euros, it doesn't mean they're a poor player. Does anyone berate Bergkamp for not winning anything at international level? No.
posted on 13/3/19
Different eras, if Messi was playing in the mud 80's he'd have spent plenty of time on the treatment table because he would have been brutalised
Watch some footage of Maradona and the assaults he regularly faced on a football field
The modern game is geared up for attacking players to flourish with the virtual non contact policy in place now
posted on 13/3/19
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
Different eras, if Messi was playing in the mud 80's he'd have spent plenty of time on the treatment table because he would have been brutalised
Watch some footage of Maradona and the assaults he regularly faced on a football field
The modern game is geared up for attacking players to flourish with the virtual non contact policy in place now
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Messi is tougher than he looks. He's got the low centre of gravity like Maradona, even if he isn't quite so stocky.
Would Maradona have got away with everything he did in the 1980s today? Would his professionalism have made him more a Ravel Morrison than a Ronaldo?
posted on 13/3/19
The only thing Messi does better than Ronaldo is dribbling.
Apart from that Ronaldo is superior in every way and has won it all for club and country and has proved himself in 3 different countries at the highest level.
Messi hasn't
posted on 13/3/19
Messi is a far better playmaker than Ronaldo, it isn't even close.
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