PL Titles:
Hazard 2
Mane 0
Son 0
Would love to see Hazard at another club, a real top club with players on a similar level. At times he basically offers all the attacking threat for Chelsea and at 28 a move to better side is kind of now or never.
Son is fast becoming is seriously good player but for me his form suffers when playing in a system designed for Kane. Spurs really need to find a good way to get the best out of both of them (it's similar to Arsenal with Auba and Lacazette).
Sometimes playing both means you get less out them than dropping one and playing to the others strengths.
Mane is class but seems to drop off form wise for periods, think Liverpool is the right club for him though and their front 3 work together well.
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Would love to see Hazard at another club, a real top club with players on a similar level. At times he basically offers all the attacking threat for Chelsea and at 28 a move to better side is kind of now or never.
Son is fast becoming is seriously good player but for me his form suffers when playing in a system designed for Kane. Spurs really need to find a good way to get the best out of both of them (it's similar to Arsenal with Auba and Lacazette).
Sometimes playing both means you get less out them than dropping one and playing to the others strengths.
Mane is class but seems to drop off form wise for periods, think Liverpool is the right club for him though and their front 3 work together well.
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I mean Son plays the exact same role with Kane in the team as he does without Kane
If you want to point to some deeper psychological factor where son steps up as the man when Kane is out then that's one thing, but it's not like we drastically change tactically when Kane is out compared to when Kane is in
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Would love to see Hazard at another club, a real top club with players on a similar level. At times he basically offers all the attacking threat for Chelsea and at 28 a move to better side is kind of now or never.
Son is fast becoming is seriously good player but for me his form suffers when playing in a system designed for Kane. Spurs really need to find a good way to get the best out of both of them (it's similar to Arsenal with Auba and Lacazette).
Sometimes playing both means you get less out them than dropping one and playing to the others strengths.
Mane is class but seems to drop off form wise for periods, think Liverpool is the right club for him though and their front 3 work together well.
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I mean Son plays the exact same role with Kane in the team as he does without Kane
If you want to point to some deeper psychological factor where son steps up as the man when Kane is out then that's one thing, but it's not like we drastically change tactically when Kane is out compared to when Kane is in
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Hmm definitely not from what I've seen but then I haven't watched 90 mins of every Spurs game (admittedly far from it).
How would you say his role differs when Kane isn't in the team?
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
How would you say his role differs when Kane isn't in the team?
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I get the impression that when Kane plays, everything goes through him because he is the captain and talisman. Without Kane it gives the other players freedom to take risks which Son seems to thrive
comment by Coutinho's Mirkin 4.0 (U21880)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
How would you say his role differs when Kane isn't in the team?
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I get the impression that when Kane plays, everything goes through him because he is the captain and talisman. Without Kane it gives the other players freedom to take risks which Son seems to thrive
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Yeah that's pretty much what I've seen. It all centers around Kane when he plays and that is sometimes to the detriment of Son
Can't really find anything showing a comparison of sons touch maps with and without kane, or even shots per game with and without kane
It's 5am so am not gonna crawl through match reports to find out myself
He has 20 goals this season, 12 of them have been when Kane isn't on the pitch. I don't think it's a big enough of a difference to suggest it has any tangible effect
Things do run through Kane in a sense, but it's not like we're forcing the ball to him and letting him take 10 shots a game whilst everyone else stands still
His ability to drop off into midfield, linking play and starting attacks by switching play is actually helping Son out ultimately, he's getting him the ball at the end of the day.
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 16 minutes ago
Can't really find anything showing a comparison of sons touch maps with and without kane, or even shots per game with and without kane
It's 5am so am not gonna crawl through match reports to find out myself
He has 20 goals this season, 12 of them have been when Kane isn't on the pitch. I don't think it's a big enough of a difference to suggest it has any tangible effect
Things do run through Kane in a sense, but it's not like we're forcing the ball to him and letting him take 10 shots a game whilst everyone else stands still
His ability to drop off into midfield, linking play and starting attacks by switching play is actually helping Son out ultimately, he's getting him the ball at the end of the day.
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Dunno why I find this funny but I was looking for touch maps too with no luck
I'm sure part of it is that Kane just wasn't quite been at his this season, almost like he's doing too much at times and he's always been coming back into fitness. Either way, they're both top players, would be a seriously formidable attack with both on top form together if they can find the right formula.
I said this ages ago and got shot down but Everything goes through Kane in the final third and that is detriment to our game. It is not too dissimilar to England during the Euros where Roy Hodgson had him doing everything.
Poch needs to tell him to just get in positions to score and not to try and dictate the game as we have players like Eriksen, Ali and Sissoko who are ten times better at that (in fact 3 of the best at it in the league)
OP, playing minnows in the group stages against the likes of Crvena Zvezda and FC Porto, sure helps a player to score a few?
Therefore your "that puts to bed" well it doesn't
If you look at minutes played, Mane plated more this CL campaign more than Son.
725 min vs 881 mins
Son's goal ratio to how many games is
181 mins per goal
Mane's
220 mins per goal
That puts that to bed
“OP, playing minnows in the group stages against the likes of Crvena Zvezda and FC Porto, sure helps a player to score a few?”
We also had PSG & Napoli in our group. Oh and calling Porto minnows. They’ve won more EC’s/CL’s than Spurs.
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Still, minutes per goal ? If you are a stats fan that's pretty conclusive
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posted on 19/4/19
PL Titles:
Hazard 2
Mane 0
Son 0
posted on 19/4/19
Would love to see Hazard at another club, a real top club with players on a similar level. At times he basically offers all the attacking threat for Chelsea and at 28 a move to better side is kind of now or never.
Son is fast becoming is seriously good player but for me his form suffers when playing in a system designed for Kane. Spurs really need to find a good way to get the best out of both of them (it's similar to Arsenal with Auba and Lacazette).
Sometimes playing both means you get less out them than dropping one and playing to the others strengths.
Mane is class but seems to drop off form wise for periods, think Liverpool is the right club for him though and their front 3 work together well.
posted on 19/4/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Would love to see Hazard at another club, a real top club with players on a similar level. At times he basically offers all the attacking threat for Chelsea and at 28 a move to better side is kind of now or never.
Son is fast becoming is seriously good player but for me his form suffers when playing in a system designed for Kane. Spurs really need to find a good way to get the best out of both of them (it's similar to Arsenal with Auba and Lacazette).
Sometimes playing both means you get less out them than dropping one and playing to the others strengths.
Mane is class but seems to drop off form wise for periods, think Liverpool is the right club for him though and their front 3 work together well.
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I mean Son plays the exact same role with Kane in the team as he does without Kane
If you want to point to some deeper psychological factor where son steps up as the man when Kane is out then that's one thing, but it's not like we drastically change tactically when Kane is out compared to when Kane is in
posted on 19/4/19
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Would love to see Hazard at another club, a real top club with players on a similar level. At times he basically offers all the attacking threat for Chelsea and at 28 a move to better side is kind of now or never.
Son is fast becoming is seriously good player but for me his form suffers when playing in a system designed for Kane. Spurs really need to find a good way to get the best out of both of them (it's similar to Arsenal with Auba and Lacazette).
Sometimes playing both means you get less out them than dropping one and playing to the others strengths.
Mane is class but seems to drop off form wise for periods, think Liverpool is the right club for him though and their front 3 work together well.
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I mean Son plays the exact same role with Kane in the team as he does without Kane
If you want to point to some deeper psychological factor where son steps up as the man when Kane is out then that's one thing, but it's not like we drastically change tactically when Kane is out compared to when Kane is in
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Hmm definitely not from what I've seen but then I haven't watched 90 mins of every Spurs game (admittedly far from it).
posted on 19/4/19
How would you say his role differs when Kane isn't in the team?
posted on 19/4/19
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
How would you say his role differs when Kane isn't in the team?
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I get the impression that when Kane plays, everything goes through him because he is the captain and talisman. Without Kane it gives the other players freedom to take risks which Son seems to thrive
posted on 19/4/19
comment by Coutinho's Mirkin 4.0 (U21880)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
How would you say his role differs when Kane isn't in the team?
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I get the impression that when Kane plays, everything goes through him because he is the captain and talisman. Without Kane it gives the other players freedom to take risks which Son seems to thrive
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Yeah that's pretty much what I've seen. It all centers around Kane when he plays and that is sometimes to the detriment of Son
posted on 19/4/19
Can't really find anything showing a comparison of sons touch maps with and without kane, or even shots per game with and without kane
It's 5am so am not gonna crawl through match reports to find out myself
He has 20 goals this season, 12 of them have been when Kane isn't on the pitch. I don't think it's a big enough of a difference to suggest it has any tangible effect
Things do run through Kane in a sense, but it's not like we're forcing the ball to him and letting him take 10 shots a game whilst everyone else stands still
His ability to drop off into midfield, linking play and starting attacks by switching play is actually helping Son out ultimately, he's getting him the ball at the end of the day.
posted on 19/4/19
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 16 minutes ago
Can't really find anything showing a comparison of sons touch maps with and without kane, or even shots per game with and without kane
It's 5am so am not gonna crawl through match reports to find out myself
He has 20 goals this season, 12 of them have been when Kane isn't on the pitch. I don't think it's a big enough of a difference to suggest it has any tangible effect
Things do run through Kane in a sense, but it's not like we're forcing the ball to him and letting him take 10 shots a game whilst everyone else stands still
His ability to drop off into midfield, linking play and starting attacks by switching play is actually helping Son out ultimately, he's getting him the ball at the end of the day.
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Dunno why I find this funny but I was looking for touch maps too with no luck
I'm sure part of it is that Kane just wasn't quite been at his this season, almost like he's doing too much at times and he's always been coming back into fitness. Either way, they're both top players, would be a seriously formidable attack with both on top form together if they can find the right formula.
posted on 19/4/19
*his best
posted on 19/4/19
I said this ages ago and got shot down but Everything goes through Kane in the final third and that is detriment to our game. It is not too dissimilar to England during the Euros where Roy Hodgson had him doing everything.
Poch needs to tell him to just get in positions to score and not to try and dictate the game as we have players like Eriksen, Ali and Sissoko who are ten times better at that (in fact 3 of the best at it in the league)
posted on 19/4/19
OP, playing minnows in the group stages against the likes of Crvena Zvezda and FC Porto, sure helps a player to score a few?
Therefore your "that puts to bed" well it doesn't
If you look at minutes played, Mane plated more this CL campaign more than Son.
725 min vs 881 mins
Son's goal ratio to how many games is
181 mins per goal
Mane's
220 mins per goal
That puts that to bed
posted on 19/4/19
“OP, playing minnows in the group stages against the likes of Crvena Zvezda and FC Porto, sure helps a player to score a few?”
We also had PSG & Napoli in our group. Oh and calling Porto minnows. They’ve won more EC’s/CL’s than Spurs.
posted on 19/4/19
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posted on 19/4/19
Still, minutes per goal ? If you are a stats fan that's pretty conclusive
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