On the basis that the cull will not be that severe, I guess I would additionally keep:
Ozil
Mkhitaryan
Monreal
You have highlighted that there cannot be that much of a cull.
Nacho Monreal stays. If we do decent business then he won't have to be used as much.
Laurent Koscielny definitely stays. Our best CB when fit.
Xhaka to stay.
Keepers - Leno, Martinez, Iliev/Okonkwo
Defenders - Bellerin, Holding, Sokratis, Koscielny, Mavropanos, Chambers, Monreal, Kolasinac
Midfielders - Torreira, Xhaka, Maitland-Niles
Attacking midfielders - Iwobi, Ozil
Strikers - Aubameyang, Lacazette
U21s - Guendouzi, Bielik, Nelson, Nketiah, Willock, Saka
Thats 16 (7 HG) squad players - a lot of room for signings.
In terms of signings the big one seems to be a CM.
A second CM also needed.
2 wide men
1st choice LB
Another striker.
Potentially a second choice keeper.
And great improvements to CB options
So I was speaking specifically about the first team as listed on the Arsenal team page. Had I expanded, I'd have definitely included the Willocks, Nketiahs, Nelsons Sakas etc we have on our books.
I just think that in terms of the first teamers, we need to be as ruthless as Barca is purported to be with 10 of their players due to be shipped out... and IF than happen, who might that be for us? But sadly we don't have that kind of money. Nor the kind of pull (at least until our CL fate is confirmed).
No issue with Kos staying and 50/50 on Xhaka but we need an upgrade on him.
We definitely can't do what Barca will do. They will get a lot more for their players as well.
You have to consider what youngsters are there, if just to show there aren't many to step up.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
We definitely can't do what Barca will do. They will get a lot more for their players as well.
You have to consider what youngsters are there, if just to show there aren't many to step up.
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True but I feel the kids are moving targets from our perspective. We might feel they're ready to step up and they might but they might just sit on the bench, if they make the bench at all. Hence leaving them out for this consideration whilst acknowledging the options.
Oh and we forgot Smith Rowe.
One of (ideally both) Xhaka/Ozil must be shifted this summer.
What are we keeping Chambers for? He is not good enough; never will. Sell him and Mustafi invest in a dominant starting CB.
Elneny must also go.
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hyp... (U7978)
posted 5 minutes ago
One of (ideally both) Xhaka/Ozil must be shifted this summer.
What are we keeping Chambers for? He is not good enough; never will. Sell him and Mustafi invest in a dominant starting CB.
Elneny must also go.
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Chambers is staying because we need more than 11 players in the squad
If both Xhaka and Ozil go, Chambers, Mustafi and Elneny all go, added to the 4 out of contract players leaving, we don't have much of a squad left at all.
Have to assume you want Jenkinson gone as well? Thats 9 gone from an already small squad.
How many players do you think we will buy in one window?
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hyp... (U7978)
posted 5 minutes ago
One of (ideally both) Xhaka/Ozil must be shifted this summer.
What are we keeping Chambers for? He is not good enough; never will. Sell him and Mustafi invest in a dominant starting CB.
Elneny must also go.
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Chambers is staying because we need more than 11 players in the squad
If both Xhaka and Ozil go, Chambers, Mustafi and Elneny all go, added to the 4 out of contract players leaving, we don't have much of a squad left at all.
Have to assume you want Jenkinson gone as well? Thats 9 gone from an already small squad.
How many players do you think we will buy in one window?
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Ok, may not in one window but those players added nothing to the squad.
We must get rid ASAP.
And I would rather we keep Mkhitaryan than Ozil. It just makes more sense.
Ok, may not in one window but those players added nothing to the squad.
We must get rid ASAP.
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Disagree with this. You need squad players, especially ones who can fill multiple roles. Chambers can easily replace Licht, CJ and Elneny in one go, allowing funds to be spent on first XI players rather than trying to find squad fillers.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ok, may not in one window but those players added nothing to the squad.
We must get rid ASAP.
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Disagree with this. You need squad players, especially ones who can fill multiple roles. Chambers can easily replace Licht, CJ and Elneny in one go, allowing funds to be spent on first XI players rather than trying to find squad fillers.
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I accept that but the squad players must be able to play at a level that will not dumb down the team overall effectiveness. A perfect example will be Bellerin/AMN (if the latter is retained at RB)
I saw Chambers getting skinned repeatedly by second rate teams in Europa last season. He isnt good enough; even as a squad player.
I have no idea what Jenkinson is still doing at this club.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
In terms of signings the big one seems to be a CM.
A second CM also needed.
2 wide men
1st choice LB
Another striker.
Potentially a second choice keeper.
And great improvements to CB options
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So at least 8 signings.
Would that be 8 players in the 10m bracket or so? Or is there likely to be a marked increase in available funds.
Really? Don't recall that at all, in fact he often performed well for us in the Europa. The only poor performance was Ostersunds, as Chambers played an important role in us getting to the semi finals.
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 1 minute ago
I have no idea what Jenkinson is still doing at this club.
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His room is draped in Arsenal colors apparently, enough for Arsene and the bald American to offer him a new contract.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
In terms of signings the big one seems to be a CM.
A second CM also needed.
2 wide men
1st choice LB
Another striker.
Potentially a second choice keeper.
And great improvements to CB options
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So at least 8 signings.
Would that be 8 players in the 10m bracket or so? Or is there likely to be a marked increase in available funds.
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Well, firstly, the idea we only have £40m is media fabrication. Secondly, the amount will always be boosted by player sales.
It also depends if we get CL or EL. If the latter then the likes of Nelson, ESR and Bielik are more likely to be used more prominently.
Looking at it as a neutral.
I think this rebuild will have to be done over 2 seasons.
So this summer i would go for :
Two full backs.
Two CM's
Two wingers.
1 CB.
I would look at CM and RB cover in on loan.
Then go buy two young exciting wingers and a left back like Chilwell/Bernat and as good a CM as you can stretch the budget to cover.
That's me working off the basis you won't be spending over 100m and there isn't much value in the squad that can be released, especially as it's bare already.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
In terms of signings the big one seems to be a CM.
A second CM also needed.
2 wide men
1st choice LB
Another striker.
Potentially a second choice keeper.
And great improvements to CB options
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So at least 8 signings.
Would that be 8 players in the 10m bracket or so? Or is there likely to be a marked increase in available funds.
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Well, firstly, the idea we only have £40m is media fabrication. Secondly, the amount will always be boosted by player sales.
It also depends if we get CL or EL. If the latter then the likes of Nelson, ESR and Bielik are more likely to be used more prominently.
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8x10 is 80m, i thought that was a pretty reasonable estimate of what Arsenal could stretch too, possibly in the region of 100m if they get CL.
That could be ambitious but would be my take on it.
I forgot about Nelson, he's done quite well in Germany so he would take a place of one of the young wingers i had you down as needing
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ok, may not in one window but those players added nothing to the squad.
We must get rid ASAP.
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Disagree with this. You need squad players, especially ones who can fill multiple roles. Chambers can easily replace Licht, CJ and Elneny in one go, allowing funds to be spent on first XI players rather than trying to find squad fillers.
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I accept that but the squad players must be able to play at a level that will not dumb down the team overall effectiveness. A perfect example will be Bellerin/AMN (if the latter is retained at RB)
I saw Chambers getting skinned repeatedly by second rate teams in Europa last season. He isnt good enough; even as a squad player.
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Bellerin / AMN is a bad example because AMN is not an RB and has been shoe-horned into that position. Hopefully Emery will find out where he SHOULD play and let him grow there.
Using Bellerin / Jenkinson / Lichsteiner would have been fine because of the massive gap in talent. But finding a player who is as good as your first team choice but who is willing to play second fiddle is nigh on impossible (for a club like Arsenal at least) so compromising on quality is inevitable. The gap just shouldn't be as wide as it currently is.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
In terms of signings the big one seems to be a CM.
A second CM also needed.
2 wide men
1st choice LB
Another striker.
Potentially a second choice keeper.
And great improvements to CB options
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So at least 8 signings.
Would that be 8 players in the 10m bracket or so? Or is there likely to be a marked increase in available funds.
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Well, firstly, the idea we only have £40m is media fabrication. Secondly, the amount will always be boosted by player sales.
It also depends if we get CL or EL. If the latter then the likes of Nelson, ESR and Bielik are more likely to be used more prominently.
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8x10 is 80m, i thought that was a pretty reasonable estimate of what Arsenal could stretch too, possibly in the region of 100m if they get CL.
That could be ambitious but would be my take on it.
I forgot about Nelson, he's done quite well in Germany so he would take a place of one of the young wingers i had you down as needing
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We won't sign 8 players and the players we DO sign aren't likely to be £10m each... unless we unearth some real hidden gems and sign them quickly (the latter not being the Arsenal way at all!).
The likelihood is we'll see an additional 4 or so departures on top of Cech, Ramsey and Welbeck but not the replacement of all 7.
The above suggestion on departures is not based on any facts or ITK rumours.
My wanted "outs" from that squad would be Jenkinson, Mustafi, Xhaka, Lich (I thought he was only on a one year deal, no?), Mhkitaryan and Elneny.
However, the problem we have is who on earth would want to buy these players? And even if Arsenal do take a loss on transfer fees, these players wont reduce wage demands.
But ideally, get rid of these and bring in a couple of commanding centre backs, a boss of a CM and a winger with pace and some trickery. We would not have to blow the bank too because there are players of these types who have played really well this season and would bring heart and the will to win to a team that has little.
It's difficult when you see there are 5 out of contract players. Cech, Lichtsteiner, Jenkinson, Ramsey and Welbeck.
Cech doesn't really need replaced but you need a right back, a replacement for Ramsey and a winger.
Even buying potential you are going to be paying 30m a pop. You could quite easily blow your budget and not have even replaced the out of contract players.
The increase in fees over the last couple of years makes closing the gap quickly increasingly difficult.
You would also bank on City, United and Liverpool having more to spend.
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posted on 10/5/19
On the basis that the cull will not be that severe, I guess I would additionally keep:
Ozil
Mkhitaryan
Monreal
posted on 10/5/19
You have highlighted that there cannot be that much of a cull.
Nacho Monreal stays. If we do decent business then he won't have to be used as much.
Laurent Koscielny definitely stays. Our best CB when fit.
Xhaka to stay.
Keepers - Leno, Martinez, Iliev/Okonkwo
Defenders - Bellerin, Holding, Sokratis, Koscielny, Mavropanos, Chambers, Monreal, Kolasinac
Midfielders - Torreira, Xhaka, Maitland-Niles
Attacking midfielders - Iwobi, Ozil
Strikers - Aubameyang, Lacazette
U21s - Guendouzi, Bielik, Nelson, Nketiah, Willock, Saka
Thats 16 (7 HG) squad players - a lot of room for signings.
posted on 10/5/19
In terms of signings the big one seems to be a CM.
A second CM also needed.
2 wide men
1st choice LB
Another striker.
Potentially a second choice keeper.
And great improvements to CB options
posted on 10/5/19
So I was speaking specifically about the first team as listed on the Arsenal team page. Had I expanded, I'd have definitely included the Willocks, Nketiahs, Nelsons Sakas etc we have on our books.
I just think that in terms of the first teamers, we need to be as ruthless as Barca is purported to be with 10 of their players due to be shipped out... and IF than happen, who might that be for us? But sadly we don't have that kind of money. Nor the kind of pull (at least until our CL fate is confirmed).
No issue with Kos staying and 50/50 on Xhaka but we need an upgrade on him.
posted on 10/5/19
*IF that can happen...
posted on 10/5/19
We definitely can't do what Barca will do. They will get a lot more for their players as well.
You have to consider what youngsters are there, if just to show there aren't many to step up.
posted on 10/5/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
We definitely can't do what Barca will do. They will get a lot more for their players as well.
You have to consider what youngsters are there, if just to show there aren't many to step up.
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True but I feel the kids are moving targets from our perspective. We might feel they're ready to step up and they might but they might just sit on the bench, if they make the bench at all. Hence leaving them out for this consideration whilst acknowledging the options.
Oh and we forgot Smith Rowe.
posted on 10/5/19
One of (ideally both) Xhaka/Ozil must be shifted this summer.
What are we keeping Chambers for? He is not good enough; never will. Sell him and Mustafi invest in a dominant starting CB.
Elneny must also go.
posted on 10/5/19
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hyp... (U7978)
posted 5 minutes ago
One of (ideally both) Xhaka/Ozil must be shifted this summer.
What are we keeping Chambers for? He is not good enough; never will. Sell him and Mustafi invest in a dominant starting CB.
Elneny must also go.
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Chambers is staying because we need more than 11 players in the squad
If both Xhaka and Ozil go, Chambers, Mustafi and Elneny all go, added to the 4 out of contract players leaving, we don't have much of a squad left at all.
Have to assume you want Jenkinson gone as well? Thats 9 gone from an already small squad.
How many players do you think we will buy in one window?
posted on 10/5/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hyp... (U7978)
posted 5 minutes ago
One of (ideally both) Xhaka/Ozil must be shifted this summer.
What are we keeping Chambers for? He is not good enough; never will. Sell him and Mustafi invest in a dominant starting CB.
Elneny must also go.
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Chambers is staying because we need more than 11 players in the squad
If both Xhaka and Ozil go, Chambers, Mustafi and Elneny all go, added to the 4 out of contract players leaving, we don't have much of a squad left at all.
Have to assume you want Jenkinson gone as well? Thats 9 gone from an already small squad.
How many players do you think we will buy in one window?
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Ok, may not in one window but those players added nothing to the squad.
We must get rid ASAP.
posted on 10/5/19
And I would rather we keep Mkhitaryan than Ozil. It just makes more sense.
posted on 10/5/19
Ok, may not in one window but those players added nothing to the squad.
We must get rid ASAP.
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Disagree with this. You need squad players, especially ones who can fill multiple roles. Chambers can easily replace Licht, CJ and Elneny in one go, allowing funds to be spent on first XI players rather than trying to find squad fillers.
posted on 10/5/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ok, may not in one window but those players added nothing to the squad.
We must get rid ASAP.
=========
Disagree with this. You need squad players, especially ones who can fill multiple roles. Chambers can easily replace Licht, CJ and Elneny in one go, allowing funds to be spent on first XI players rather than trying to find squad fillers.
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I accept that but the squad players must be able to play at a level that will not dumb down the team overall effectiveness. A perfect example will be Bellerin/AMN (if the latter is retained at RB)
I saw Chambers getting skinned repeatedly by second rate teams in Europa last season. He isnt good enough; even as a squad player.
posted on 10/5/19
I have no idea what Jenkinson is still doing at this club.
posted on 10/5/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
In terms of signings the big one seems to be a CM.
A second CM also needed.
2 wide men
1st choice LB
Another striker.
Potentially a second choice keeper.
And great improvements to CB options
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So at least 8 signings.
Would that be 8 players in the 10m bracket or so? Or is there likely to be a marked increase in available funds.
posted on 10/5/19
Really? Don't recall that at all, in fact he often performed well for us in the Europa. The only poor performance was Ostersunds, as Chambers played an important role in us getting to the semi finals.
posted on 10/5/19
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 1 minute ago
I have no idea what Jenkinson is still doing at this club.
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His room is draped in Arsenal colors apparently, enough for Arsene and the bald American to offer him a new contract.
posted on 10/5/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
In terms of signings the big one seems to be a CM.
A second CM also needed.
2 wide men
1st choice LB
Another striker.
Potentially a second choice keeper.
And great improvements to CB options
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So at least 8 signings.
Would that be 8 players in the 10m bracket or so? Or is there likely to be a marked increase in available funds.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, firstly, the idea we only have £40m is media fabrication. Secondly, the amount will always be boosted by player sales.
It also depends if we get CL or EL. If the latter then the likes of Nelson, ESR and Bielik are more likely to be used more prominently.
posted on 10/5/19
Looking at it as a neutral.
I think this rebuild will have to be done over 2 seasons.
So this summer i would go for :
Two full backs.
Two CM's
Two wingers.
1 CB.
I would look at CM and RB cover in on loan.
Then go buy two young exciting wingers and a left back like Chilwell/Bernat and as good a CM as you can stretch the budget to cover.
That's me working off the basis you won't be spending over 100m and there isn't much value in the squad that can be released, especially as it's bare already.
posted on 10/5/19
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
In terms of signings the big one seems to be a CM.
A second CM also needed.
2 wide men
1st choice LB
Another striker.
Potentially a second choice keeper.
And great improvements to CB options
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So at least 8 signings.
Would that be 8 players in the 10m bracket or so? Or is there likely to be a marked increase in available funds.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, firstly, the idea we only have £40m is media fabrication. Secondly, the amount will always be boosted by player sales.
It also depends if we get CL or EL. If the latter then the likes of Nelson, ESR and Bielik are more likely to be used more prominently.
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8x10 is 80m, i thought that was a pretty reasonable estimate of what Arsenal could stretch too, possibly in the region of 100m if they get CL.
That could be ambitious but would be my take on it.
I forgot about Nelson, he's done quite well in Germany so he would take a place of one of the young wingers i had you down as needing
posted on 10/5/19
comment by ubad9jagooner .Ramsey : don't get the hype ! (U7978)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ok, may not in one window but those players added nothing to the squad.
We must get rid ASAP.
=========
Disagree with this. You need squad players, especially ones who can fill multiple roles. Chambers can easily replace Licht, CJ and Elneny in one go, allowing funds to be spent on first XI players rather than trying to find squad fillers.
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I accept that but the squad players must be able to play at a level that will not dumb down the team overall effectiveness. A perfect example will be Bellerin/AMN (if the latter is retained at RB)
I saw Chambers getting skinned repeatedly by second rate teams in Europa last season. He isnt good enough; even as a squad player.
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Bellerin / AMN is a bad example because AMN is not an RB and has been shoe-horned into that position. Hopefully Emery will find out where he SHOULD play and let him grow there.
Using Bellerin / Jenkinson / Lichsteiner would have been fine because of the massive gap in talent. But finding a player who is as good as your first team choice but who is willing to play second fiddle is nigh on impossible (for a club like Arsenal at least) so compromising on quality is inevitable. The gap just shouldn't be as wide as it currently is.
posted on 10/5/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
In terms of signings the big one seems to be a CM.
A second CM also needed.
2 wide men
1st choice LB
Another striker.
Potentially a second choice keeper.
And great improvements to CB options
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So at least 8 signings.
Would that be 8 players in the 10m bracket or so? Or is there likely to be a marked increase in available funds.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, firstly, the idea we only have £40m is media fabrication. Secondly, the amount will always be boosted by player sales.
It also depends if we get CL or EL. If the latter then the likes of Nelson, ESR and Bielik are more likely to be used more prominently.
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8x10 is 80m, i thought that was a pretty reasonable estimate of what Arsenal could stretch too, possibly in the region of 100m if they get CL.
That could be ambitious but would be my take on it.
I forgot about Nelson, he's done quite well in Germany so he would take a place of one of the young wingers i had you down as needing
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We won't sign 8 players and the players we DO sign aren't likely to be £10m each... unless we unearth some real hidden gems and sign them quickly (the latter not being the Arsenal way at all!).
The likelihood is we'll see an additional 4 or so departures on top of Cech, Ramsey and Welbeck but not the replacement of all 7.
posted on 10/5/19
The above suggestion on departures is not based on any facts or ITK rumours.
posted on 10/5/19
My wanted "outs" from that squad would be Jenkinson, Mustafi, Xhaka, Lich (I thought he was only on a one year deal, no?), Mhkitaryan and Elneny.
However, the problem we have is who on earth would want to buy these players? And even if Arsenal do take a loss on transfer fees, these players wont reduce wage demands.
But ideally, get rid of these and bring in a couple of commanding centre backs, a boss of a CM and a winger with pace and some trickery. We would not have to blow the bank too because there are players of these types who have played really well this season and would bring heart and the will to win to a team that has little.
posted on 10/5/19
It's difficult when you see there are 5 out of contract players. Cech, Lichtsteiner, Jenkinson, Ramsey and Welbeck.
Cech doesn't really need replaced but you need a right back, a replacement for Ramsey and a winger.
Even buying potential you are going to be paying 30m a pop. You could quite easily blow your budget and not have even replaced the out of contract players.
The increase in fees over the last couple of years makes closing the gap quickly increasingly difficult.
You would also bank on City, United and Liverpool having more to spend.
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