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Don't look like it's happening. Next.
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Good news
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 12 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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We what level has got us to right now he should be knocking off a whole lot more
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He wouldn’t be able to pay out for the 14 managers he’s failed and had to fire
Or danjuma loan. Or Werner loan. Or Saha and Nelson. Or rondon and Fernandez. Etc etc etc
He would have to use the money from all those events he’s hosting. Or from the sale of our best ever premier league player
If only we wet the eighth richest club in the world. And acted like it.
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 12 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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We what level has got us to right now he should be knocking off a whole lot more
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He wouldn’t be able to pay out for the 14 managers he’s failed and had to fire
Or danjuma loan. Or Werner loan. Or Saha and Nelson. Or rondon and Fernandez. Etc etc etc
He would have to use the money from all those events he’s hosting. Or from the sale of our best ever premier league player
If only we wet the eighth richest club in the world. And acted like it.
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Also. Pricing out you next generation of fans and alienating those that have been loyal for a generation isn’t the best business plan either.
But I think what I see as a football club and what Devon sees as a business enterprise are the complete opposites.
Levy out.
I see us bwing linked to Ben Godfrey this morning who is not even getting a game at Atlanta...
When will this circus end, we need a new board but it's just not going to happen is it ? The Levy Out movement is weak really especially with so many tourists at the ground these days.
Really hard to see things changing. We need a new board to inspire confidence in incoming players that we actually have ambitions to compete.
I've lost hope in the current set up and method of doing things. When i see is linked to players we are normally mentioned along with Brighton, Brentford etc these days, with all due respect we are an established premier league club and should be aiming higher.
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 15 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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Not disputing the numbers - that's a lot of money. But it's also the kind of thinking Ratcliffe is applying at United and it's killing the club. The goodwill and general atmosphere of the place is shaped by the culture the leadership create. Is the priority squeezing as much as you can out of the business or creating an environment for success on the pitch?
We've heard from Danny Rose about unachievable contract bonuses. We've all seen how we've missed out on potential key players at vital times for a few million here or there. Yeah you save a bit of cash but long term is it costing us more? IMO there's a strong argument for yes. I'd argue we could have won a trophy or two over the years with a bit more spending at the right time, earning lots more in revenue and retaining players like Kane instead of losing them cos we win nothing
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You kinda contradict yourself there.
Not sure how people can promote reducing our revenues and seek "a bit more spending at the right time"
I get the whole family club vs corporate business argument. It is a very difficult balance to achieve. But we have a fan base angry at Levy for not spending more aggressively (taking the cheap options, not spending enough on wages etc) and also moaning about prices at the same time. It kinda smacks of a fan base whose demands and expectations are not grounded in reality.
No clubs have reduced prices and Spurs have been ones to have kept their increases to a minimum in recent years. Arsenal put up their prices the season before when ours stayed the same, and when we put ours up this year, they did too, by more.
Their spending has been significant over Arteta's 4 seasons
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 12 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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We what level has got us to right now he should be knocking off a whole lot more
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He wouldn’t be able to pay out for the 14 managers he’s failed and had to fire
Or danjuma loan. Or Werner loan. Or Saha and Nelson. Or rondon and Fernandez. Etc etc etc
He would have to use the money from all those events he’s hosting. Or from the sale of our best ever premier league player
If only we wet the eighth richest club in the world. And acted like it.
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Since Ange/Munn/Lange arrived at WHL, Spurs have spent the 4th highest amount on transfers both in Net terms and Gross terms of all clubs across the world.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/transfers/einnahmenausgaben/statistik/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2023&saison_id_bis=2024&land_id=&nat=&kontinent_id=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0&plus=0
This is the spending power we now have.
I think if fans sit back and properly look at what we are doing, you can see we have been undertaking a complete overhaul of the squad. It was necessary, we had some hangers-on from the Poch era and some bang average from the post Poch era.
The clear out is not complete and there is a need for further additions, and our current injury crisis is laying these facts bare.
You also have to acknowledge that such overhauls have the objective of building in the long term. You cannot renew 12-15 of your core squad with £50-£100m players all on massive wages. There is a need to balance affordability, delivering quality for the team now, and building a group that will be our core for years to come.
So it is a fact that in terms of spending we are doing more than "acting as the 8th largest cub in the world"
I think if you asked most fans what we need going forward it would be:
better back up GK who fits the system.
Pacey CB coverage for VDV
Back up LB
More reliable FWD cover than Richarlison
Quality attacking wide player.
We are not far off this, but we clearly could not have afforded all that in the last summer. That's another £150m at least.
We have spent massively in the current cycle but this major overhaul is not complete. I suggest it will be 80-90% complete by next season and what we have then will form the base of the Spurs team for the next cycle, a cycle which should see a more complete squad start to make significant improvements.
Whether Ange is part of that is not clear. If he fails to deliver progress then you cannot say he hasn't been backed. Only 3 managers in Europe have had more spent on them!
Saying we are the fourth highest spenders sheds this board in even worse light.
Spending on rondon and danjuma instead of skriniar etc etc
Always buying with financial returns over football needs.
What about wages? We are way down the list. 7th highest payers?
It’s why we miss out on player after player and buy cheaper alternatives
You can’t just measure a boards ambition by transfer fees alone. That’s the ignorance of Enic. It’s why they think they’re doing a great job.
It’s also why they’ve won one trophy in a quarter of a century, raised ticket prices to extortionate levels and cut concessions for young and old.
Enic are not your friend. They don’t want you. They want day trippers to maximise profit and shove squid games down. They don’t want returning fans who want football success and sing levy out.
It’s foolish to support them. The evidence is clear as day now.
It's a predicament at the moment cause we need to help the squad with its injury crisis but we'd also be funding a manager who we aren't sure is the right manager for us and who people have pointed the finger at for why there are so many injuries in the first place. It's very messy.
With Newcastle, Liverpool and Arsenal next, you're talking about giving a manager who will end up with 1 win in 9, a good number of losses and an exit of the league cup, millions more to spend. At the end of the day I suppose we need the signings regardless.
For what it's worth on my FC 25 Spurs career, currently at the beginning of next season having finished 6th in this one so another Europa campaign, I have just signed Trafford, Ait Nouri, Baleba, Damsgaard and Elanga, and sold Spence, Bissouma and Richarlison (plus the likes of Solomon, Gil, Hojbjerg etc having returned from loans). I know it's only a game but the squad feels much more complete and I don't think any of my signings are too unrealistic!
We spend a lot on transfer fees, for very average players. We don’t buy star players anymore. Ndombele & Lo Celso have obviously scarred them. Maddison closest thing to a star signing but he was from a relegated club.
Wages now, are very low. This is why we can only buy average players.
It actually makes it even more stupid that we are spending such high transfer fees if we aren’t going to back that up with decent wages. We’re wasting money
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 30 minutes ago
Saying we are the fourth highest spenders sheds this board in even worse light.
Spending on rondon and danjuma instead of skriniar etc etc
Always buying with financial returns over football needs.
What about wages? We are way down the list. 7th highest payers?
It’s why we miss out on player after player and buy cheaper alternatives
You can’t just measure a boards ambition by transfer fees alone. That’s the ignorance of Enic. It’s why they think they’re doing a great job.
It’s also why they’ve won one trophy in a quarter of a century, raised ticket prices to extortionate levels and cut concessions for young and old.
Enic are not your friend. They don’t want you. They want day trippers to maximise profit and shove squid games down. They don’t want returning fans who want football success and sing levy out.
It’s foolish to support them. The evidence is clear as day now.
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This isnt so polarised as support or hate ENIC. It is possible to be happy with some things and angry with others.
Its weird why you pick on random signings like Rodon (£11m) and a loan for Danjuma and compare him Skrinar. Also, those were signings in the covid period. Almost every club was getting value signings in.
If you want tro trawl back through history and cherry pick failed signings then great, but at least give it some context.
The same with wages. Uniteds wages are massive. Worked well for them has it? Forests are a fraction of ours. When it shown that our spending is very high, it then becomes about salaries. But looking at wages alone is not the whole picture.
If you want our wage bill to be £70m higher than it is to be on par with United or Arsenal, then what gives? Where's that £70m a year coming from? Some on here also endorsing cheapening the tickets too, knock another £10m off the revenues.
Liverpool reportedly have wages about £10m more than ours.
Folk like you just blurt out slogans and think its easy to build a squad.
Look at what Arsenal have done and how they've done it. It wasnt great for the first 18 months. Their signings werent stand out either. But they have carefully weeded out the unwanted, built a young and talented squad and then developed in a position to make some statement signings like Rice and Havertz.
Fans were demanding Arteta go, the owners F-off, but now you can look back and make a far better judgement. And they still are not complete in terms of squad.
I dont get why folk look at what we are doing now and start banging on about Danjuma and Saha.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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This is an astonishing lack of perspective. So the buck stops with us fans does it? Pay more and you'll see success? I've never read so much gaslighting bullshiiiit. We pay more than City and Chelsea fans yet they're seemingly able to spend whatever they like.
I'm sick of this rhetoric that the fans are to blame if we don't have the money to spend. It's utter, utter nonsense. The money is 100% there but Levy, unlike other club owners, will not dip into the red as a gamble to become competitive. Arsenal, for example, have dipped into the PSR overspend allowance, which puts them in the red but that gamble has paid off with repeated CL qualification and very nearly a PL win. You can't operate in the black in the Premier League and expect to compete. At some point you have to gamble.
If we're being served up 18 year olds on shiiiiit wages, why the hell are we paying top dollar? Levy has cut the wage bill massively over the last two years yet do we see a reduction in prices? Do we feck. The guy is a feckin crook who will keep doing this until he's held accountable and apologists such as yourself are fast running out of excuses.
Please, please, please guys, just give us a bit more money with hiked ticket prices otherwise we'll have to go out and buy another Timo Werner or Danjuma on loan, or perhaps rescue Ben Godfrey from his benched position at Atalanta. It's in your hands. If we want to compete, it's up to you not to leave us short.
Yes, we have record profits from the stadium and all it's hosted events but we'd rather spend that on building a new hotel close by the ground because that comes with a cast iron guarantee of more profit, whereas ploughing money in the squad doesn't have the same guarantees it'll pay off. I hope you understand. Profit is our priority and we simply won't risk that to satisfy the lust for success for a fan base that care too much about the football and not enough about the business.
Yours, Daniel.
What was the point of the new stadium + highest prices in europe + concert revenue if we are still signing players from championship?
So without the aforementioned what would have happened? No signings at all?
We are in an era where even relegation candidates can spend £100m in a summer, west ham make big signings, bournemouth make big signings. Doesn’t add up
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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This is an astonishing lack of perspective. So the buck stops with us fans does it? Pay more and you'll see success? I've never read so much gaslighting bullshiiiit. We pay more than City and Chelsea fans yet they're seemingly able to spend whatever they like.
I'm sick of this rhetoric that the fans are to blame if we don't have the money to spend. It's utter, utter nonsense. The money is 100% there but Levy, unlike other club owners, will not dip into the red as a gamble to become competitive. Arsenal, for example, have dipped into the PSR overspend allowance, which puts them in the red but that gamble has paid off with repeated CL qualification and very nearly a PL win. You can't operate in the black in the Premier League and expect to compete. At some point you have to gamble.
If we're being served up 18 year olds on shiiiiit wages, why the hell are we paying top dollar? Levy has cut the wage bill massively over the last two years yet do we see a reduction in prices? Do we feck. The guy is a feckin crook who will keep doing this until he's held accountable and apologists such as yourself are fast running out of excuses.
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Gaslighting Get a grip you pansy!
I was responding to the statement "Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week."
Its a nonesense suggestion and especially when coming from an element of the fan base you criticise how much we spent of players and wages.
Never said the buck stops with the fans. You're just making shiiit up to support some feeble narrative. And to use Chelsea and City as an example Oh, i wonder why the club with the biggest revenues on the planet, a club subject to 115 charges of cheating are able to spend more then us And for all Chelsea's current on field highs they are a financial mess and will have to raise huge sums to stay compliant again, having spent the last few years as a complete shiiit show...but hey, lets try and emulate that
No one is blaming the fans. You've just made that up.
If the money is 100% there, show us! Show us our PSR position, show us Arsenal's. Lets see it because you seem to know it all.
PSR allows you to overspend by about £35m a year. That is not a game changer.
Simpletons fixate on simple headlines. Would you rather we still had Sanchez on more wages than having VDV on less, because that's the simple equation you are using a s a stick to beat with.
We arent being served up 18 year olds. We have 2 in the squad. Arsenal got Odegard at 18 and Saliba. They got Gabriel at 22. Ben White 23. They bought Rice in Arteta's 4th season.
Your pathetic stamping of your feet expecting a complete high end overall of the squad to be served up in front of you inside 18 months is just embarrassing.
"...and reduce our ability to spend. Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season. Sounds like a great business plan"
Correct me if I'm wrong but what you're saying here is that we have a responsibility to pay the high prices we do, otherwise we'll lose 12m towards the recruitment side. If that's the buck stopping with the fans, albeit partially, then I don't know what is.
Also, you've just said that 35m is relative peanuts in terms of PSR gains so maybe don't call out the 12m as an essential part of the transfer budget. You've basically just knocked down your own house of cards there mate.
Just like anyone on here trying to prove a point, whilst you're not massaging the figures per say, you are trivialising the importance of certain figures that don't support your agenda, but heavily pointing the finger at those that do. It makes your argument rather hollow.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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This is an astonishing lack of perspective. So the buck stops with us fans does it? Pay more and you'll see success? I've never read so much gaslighting bullshiiiit. We pay more than City and Chelsea fans yet they're seemingly able to spend whatever they like.
I'm sick of this rhetoric that the fans are to blame if we don't have the money to spend. It's utter, utter nonsense. The money is 100% there but Levy, unlike other club owners, will not dip into the red as a gamble to become competitive. Arsenal, for example, have dipped into the PSR overspend allowance, which puts them in the red but that gamble has paid off with repeated CL qualification and very nearly a PL win. You can't operate in the black in the Premier League and expect to compete. At some point you have to gamble.
If we're being served up 18 year olds on shiiiiit wages, why the hell are we paying top dollar? Levy has cut the wage bill massively over the last two years yet do we see a reduction in prices? Do we feck. The guy is a feckin crook who will keep doing this until he's held accountable and apologists such as yourself are fast running out of excuses.
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Totally agree. The more it goes on the more ridiculous people like Devon look.
They’ve cut the wages by 15% this year. But upped the ticket prices by 20%
You’re an utter fool if you don’t think we’re being ripped off
Not a serious football club. They have no intention of competing
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
"...and reduce our ability to spend. Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season. Sounds like a great business plan"
Correct me if I'm wrong but what you're saying here is that we have a responsibility to pay the high prices we do, otherwise we'll lose 12m towards the recruitment side. If that's the buck stopping with the fans, albeit partially, then I don't know what is.
Also, you've just said that 35m is relative peanuts in terms of PSR gains so maybe don't call out the 12m as an essential part of the transfer budget. You've basically just knocked down your own house of cards there mate.
Just like anyone on here trying to prove a point, whilst you're not massaging the figures per say, you are trivialising the importance of certain figures that don't support your agenda, but heavily pointing the finger at those that do. It makes your argument rather hollow.
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£35m extra spend pushing us to the PSR margins of compliance is not a game changer.
Arsenal havent achieved their spending through that They also have very high prices. They have increased their prices more times than spurs and by more than spurs in recent years (6% compared to Spurs 5% this year, 5% compared to 0% Spurs last year). You're the one making up figures to push your view that Spurs should be sailing closer to the wind financially. And even if Arsenal do provide a good example to emulate, they are 2 - 3 years ahead of us in their rebuild. They havent fast tracked anything and neither are we.
I aint massaging the figures, im highlighting the inconsistencies of fans demanding more spending on wages and players against demands to reduce ticket prices/revenues. Kinda like your wife cutting her hours because she says works too hard but expecting to go on more expensive holidays. Daft!
Fans on here whine like hell about how much we spend, most dont even go to matches. SO if dropping prices means we have less to spend then what's the inevitable outcome, what's the response from the average internet spurs fan going to be?
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted about an hour ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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This is an astonishing lack of perspective. So the buck stops with us fans does it? Pay more and you'll see success? I've never read so much gaslighting bullshiiiit. We pay more than City and Chelsea fans yet they're seemingly able to spend whatever they like.
I'm sick of this rhetoric that the fans are to blame if we don't have the money to spend. It's utter, utter nonsense. The money is 100% there but Levy, unlike other club owners, will not dip into the red as a gamble to become competitive. Arsenal, for example, have dipped into the PSR overspend allowance, which puts them in the red but that gamble has paid off with repeated CL qualification and very nearly a PL win. You can't operate in the black in the Premier League and expect to compete. At some point you have to gamble.
If we're being served up 18 year olds on shiiiiit wages, why the hell are we paying top dollar? Levy has cut the wage bill massively over the last two years yet do we see a reduction in prices? Do we feck. The guy is a feckin crook who will keep doing this until he's held accountable and apologists such as yourself are fast running out of excuses.
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Totally agree. The more it goes on the more ridiculous people like Devon look.
They’ve cut the wages by 15% this year. But upped the ticket prices by 20%
You’re an utter fool if you don’t think we’re being ripped off
Not a serious football club. They have no intention of competing
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But at the same time Spurs have increased their amortisation (money out each year on transfers) from £80m in 2022 figures, to £110m in 2023, with the 2024 figures yet to be announced..
If you can tell me how Spurs can magically pay much bigger wages while also buying top class (so, expensive) players then please do share !
And who's upped ticket prices by 20%
Have we signed anyone yet?
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posted 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 15 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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Not disputing the numbers - that's a lot of money. But it's also the kind of thinking Ratcliffe is applying at United and it's killing the club. The goodwill and general atmosphere of the place is shaped by the culture the leadership create. Is the priority squeezing as much as you can out of the business or creating an environment for success on the pitch?
We've heard from Danny Rose about unachievable contract bonuses. We've all seen how we've missed out on potential key players at vital times for a few million here or there. Yeah you save a bit of cash but long term is it costing us more? IMO there's a strong argument for yes. I'd argue we could have won a trophy or two over the years with a bit more spending at the right time, earning lots more in revenue and retaining players like Kane instead of losing them cos we win nothing
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You kinda contradict yourself there.
Not sure how people can promote reducing our revenues and seek "a bit more spending at the right time"
I get the whole family club vs corporate business argument. It is a very difficult balance to achieve. But we have a fan base angry at Levy for not spending more aggressively (taking the cheap options, not spending enough on wages etc) and also moaning about prices at the same time. It kinda smacks of a fan base whose demands and expectations are not grounded in reality.
No clubs have reduced prices and Spurs have been ones to have kept their increases to a minimum in recent years. Arsenal put up their prices the season before when ours stayed the same, and when we put ours up this year, they did too, by more.
Their spending has been significant over Arteta's 4 seasons
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It's not a contradiction at all. We've spent more money than we needed to because we didn't spend at the right times, on the right players. Do we actually need to do the Grealish game? How about the Sissoko panic buy?
I get that you're on some weird trip about everyone putting up prices so it's fine. But my point was referring to Levy and ENIC's tenure. That the way they've run the club has not created a successful football team. Pointing to Arsenal as if they've done the same in the same period is just mad IMO.
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posted 38 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
"...and reduce our ability to spend. Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season. Sounds like a great business plan"
Correct me if I'm wrong but what you're saying here is that we have a responsibility to pay the high prices we do, otherwise we'll lose 12m towards the recruitment side. If that's the buck stopping with the fans, albeit partially, then I don't know what is.
Also, you've just said that 35m is relative peanuts in terms of PSR gains so maybe don't call out the 12m as an essential part of the transfer budget. You've basically just knocked down your own house of cards there mate.
Just like anyone on here trying to prove a point, whilst you're not massaging the figures per say, you are trivialising the importance of certain figures that don't support your agenda, but heavily pointing the finger at those that do. It makes your argument rather hollow.
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£35m extra spend pushing us to the PSR margins of compliance is not a game changer.
Arsenal havent achieved their spending through that They also have very high prices. They have increased their prices more times than spurs and by more than spurs in recent years (6% compared to Spurs 5% this year, 5% compared to 0% Spurs last year). You're the one making up figures to push your view that Spurs should be sailing closer to the wind financially. And even if Arsenal do provide a good example to emulate, they are 2 - 3 years ahead of us in their rebuild. They havent fast tracked anything and neither are we.
I aint massaging the figures, im highlighting the inconsistencies of fans demanding more spending on wages and players against demands to reduce ticket prices/revenues. Kinda like your wife cutting her hours because she says works too hard but expecting to go on more expensive holidays. Daft!
Fans on here whine like hell about how much we spend, most dont even go to matches. SO if dropping prices means we have less to spend then what's the inevitable outcome, what's the response from the average internet spurs fan going to be?
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That's not the point. You suggested 12m was a shortfall we couldn't do without if we want to be serious in the transfer window, then you describe 35m as no game-changer. You're highlighting the figure that best suits your argument.
Also, it's not quite as linear as ticket sales alone. We hover around the top 4 with regards to ticket prices but you have to factor in the type of stadium we have and all it offers. The events, the hospitality, the full matchday experience suggests that we should be absolutely raking it in compared to any other PL club but that just isn't reflected in recruitment. We're still routinely bullied by clubs like Chelsea (think Neto) and our wages are the lowest of any of the top six by some margin. People often get too fixated on the transfer fee but that's a small chunk compared to the total sum of the contract in terms of wages. We don't pay the wages the top players want. Why? Aside from a lack of European competition, our turnover is higher than most and if our ultimate ambition is to win trophies, we could unquestionably spend more than we do. It's a choice not a necessity.
The truth is that FFP and PSR have given Levy the perfect excuse not to spend. "If we do this, then that will happen" is basically his motto.
You speak of this being early in our rebuild. Fine. Understood. Then lets see where we are in 2-3 years because my bet is that we won't be anywhere near it. He can't use the stadium build as an excuse anymore like he did under Poch. 2-3 more years and he'll be out of answers and out of managers he can sack and hire as a feeble short term attempt to once again restart the heart.
Carragher had it bang on. It's time for new owners to have a go because we've just been treading water now for a long time. Football has become big business since ENIC first acquired the club and the large fish has now found itself in a very, very large pond full of sharks. The PL is too big for Levy now and he can't keep up with the finances involved. It's nothing against him personally, it's just got too big for him.
From what I've heard the 115 charges City are facing won't end up being as harsh a punishment as we all think which will then lead to financial reform to allow more flexibility to spend owner money. If that happens, then we are truly fecked because he won't do that. In one way I want City punished but in another I don't mind if they get away with it because it strips Levy of his arm bands.
Just to be clear.
As the supporters trust have said.
Either pay the wages and compete for titles
OR
Reduce tickets prices to match the mid table nonsense we are seeing now.
NOONE is demanding both.
Right now levy is having his cake and eating it. Not sure how you can’t see that.
1 trophy in 24 years.
"Not disputing the numbers - that's a lot of money. But it's also the kind of thinking Ratcliffe is applying at United and it's killing the club. The goodwill and general atmosphere of the place is shaped by the culture the leadership create. Is the priority squeezing as much as you can out of the business or creating an environment for success on the pitch?
We've heard from Danny Rose about unachievable contract bonuses. We've all seen how we've missed out on potential key players at vital times for a few million here or there. Yeah you save a bit of cash but long term is it costing us more? IMO there's a strong argument for yes. I'd argue we could have won a trophy or two over the years with a bit more spending at the right time, earning lots more in revenue and retaining players like Kane instead of losing them cos we win nothing"
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Didn't see this post above but it's spot on!
Also you have to argue that the current philosophy of never overspending means that it's takes so long to build that by the time you've built a squad you're almost happy with, one of your superstars wants out the door because success is taking too long. You can't expect footballers to stick by a 10 year plan when that's essentially the bulk of their careers. They don't have the time to wait. So whilst we patiently build one brick at a time, the likes of Romero are already rumoured to want out. Then it'll be others and so the cycle continues.
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posted on 3/1/25
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted about 5 hours ago
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Don't look like it's happening. Next.
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Good news
posted on 3/1/25
Pickford it is then
posted on 3/1/25
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 12 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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We what level has got us to right now he should be knocking off a whole lot more
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He wouldn’t be able to pay out for the 14 managers he’s failed and had to fire
Or danjuma loan. Or Werner loan. Or Saha and Nelson. Or rondon and Fernandez. Etc etc etc
He would have to use the money from all those events he’s hosting. Or from the sale of our best ever premier league player
If only we wet the eighth richest club in the world. And acted like it.
posted on 3/1/25
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 12 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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We what level has got us to right now he should be knocking off a whole lot more
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He wouldn’t be able to pay out for the 14 managers he’s failed and had to fire
Or danjuma loan. Or Werner loan. Or Saha and Nelson. Or rondon and Fernandez. Etc etc etc
He would have to use the money from all those events he’s hosting. Or from the sale of our best ever premier league player
If only we wet the eighth richest club in the world. And acted like it.
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Also. Pricing out you next generation of fans and alienating those that have been loyal for a generation isn’t the best business plan either.
But I think what I see as a football club and what Devon sees as a business enterprise are the complete opposites.
Levy out.
posted on 3/1/25
I see us bwing linked to Ben Godfrey this morning who is not even getting a game at Atlanta...
When will this circus end, we need a new board but it's just not going to happen is it ? The Levy Out movement is weak really especially with so many tourists at the ground these days.
Really hard to see things changing. We need a new board to inspire confidence in incoming players that we actually have ambitions to compete.
I've lost hope in the current set up and method of doing things. When i see is linked to players we are normally mentioned along with Brighton, Brentford etc these days, with all due respect we are an established premier league club and should be aiming higher.
posted on 3/1/25
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 15 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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Not disputing the numbers - that's a lot of money. But it's also the kind of thinking Ratcliffe is applying at United and it's killing the club. The goodwill and general atmosphere of the place is shaped by the culture the leadership create. Is the priority squeezing as much as you can out of the business or creating an environment for success on the pitch?
We've heard from Danny Rose about unachievable contract bonuses. We've all seen how we've missed out on potential key players at vital times for a few million here or there. Yeah you save a bit of cash but long term is it costing us more? IMO there's a strong argument for yes. I'd argue we could have won a trophy or two over the years with a bit more spending at the right time, earning lots more in revenue and retaining players like Kane instead of losing them cos we win nothing
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You kinda contradict yourself there.
Not sure how people can promote reducing our revenues and seek "a bit more spending at the right time"
I get the whole family club vs corporate business argument. It is a very difficult balance to achieve. But we have a fan base angry at Levy for not spending more aggressively (taking the cheap options, not spending enough on wages etc) and also moaning about prices at the same time. It kinda smacks of a fan base whose demands and expectations are not grounded in reality.
No clubs have reduced prices and Spurs have been ones to have kept their increases to a minimum in recent years. Arsenal put up their prices the season before when ours stayed the same, and when we put ours up this year, they did too, by more.
Their spending has been significant over Arteta's 4 seasons
posted on 3/1/25
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 12 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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We what level has got us to right now he should be knocking off a whole lot more
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He wouldn’t be able to pay out for the 14 managers he’s failed and had to fire
Or danjuma loan. Or Werner loan. Or Saha and Nelson. Or rondon and Fernandez. Etc etc etc
He would have to use the money from all those events he’s hosting. Or from the sale of our best ever premier league player
If only we wet the eighth richest club in the world. And acted like it.
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Since Ange/Munn/Lange arrived at WHL, Spurs have spent the 4th highest amount on transfers both in Net terms and Gross terms of all clubs across the world.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/transfers/einnahmenausgaben/statistik/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2023&saison_id_bis=2024&land_id=&nat=&kontinent_id=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0&plus=0
This is the spending power we now have.
I think if fans sit back and properly look at what we are doing, you can see we have been undertaking a complete overhaul of the squad. It was necessary, we had some hangers-on from the Poch era and some bang average from the post Poch era.
The clear out is not complete and there is a need for further additions, and our current injury crisis is laying these facts bare.
You also have to acknowledge that such overhauls have the objective of building in the long term. You cannot renew 12-15 of your core squad with £50-£100m players all on massive wages. There is a need to balance affordability, delivering quality for the team now, and building a group that will be our core for years to come.
So it is a fact that in terms of spending we are doing more than "acting as the 8th largest cub in the world"
I think if you asked most fans what we need going forward it would be:
better back up GK who fits the system.
Pacey CB coverage for VDV
Back up LB
More reliable FWD cover than Richarlison
Quality attacking wide player.
We are not far off this, but we clearly could not have afforded all that in the last summer. That's another £150m at least.
We have spent massively in the current cycle but this major overhaul is not complete. I suggest it will be 80-90% complete by next season and what we have then will form the base of the Spurs team for the next cycle, a cycle which should see a more complete squad start to make significant improvements.
Whether Ange is part of that is not clear. If he fails to deliver progress then you cannot say he hasn't been backed. Only 3 managers in Europe have had more spent on them!
posted on 3/1/25
Saying we are the fourth highest spenders sheds this board in even worse light.
Spending on rondon and danjuma instead of skriniar etc etc
Always buying with financial returns over football needs.
What about wages? We are way down the list. 7th highest payers?
It’s why we miss out on player after player and buy cheaper alternatives
You can’t just measure a boards ambition by transfer fees alone. That’s the ignorance of Enic. It’s why they think they’re doing a great job.
It’s also why they’ve won one trophy in a quarter of a century, raised ticket prices to extortionate levels and cut concessions for young and old.
Enic are not your friend. They don’t want you. They want day trippers to maximise profit and shove squid games down. They don’t want returning fans who want football success and sing levy out.
It’s foolish to support them. The evidence is clear as day now.
posted on 3/1/25
It's a predicament at the moment cause we need to help the squad with its injury crisis but we'd also be funding a manager who we aren't sure is the right manager for us and who people have pointed the finger at for why there are so many injuries in the first place. It's very messy.
With Newcastle, Liverpool and Arsenal next, you're talking about giving a manager who will end up with 1 win in 9, a good number of losses and an exit of the league cup, millions more to spend. At the end of the day I suppose we need the signings regardless.
posted on 3/1/25
For what it's worth on my FC 25 Spurs career, currently at the beginning of next season having finished 6th in this one so another Europa campaign, I have just signed Trafford, Ait Nouri, Baleba, Damsgaard and Elanga, and sold Spence, Bissouma and Richarlison (plus the likes of Solomon, Gil, Hojbjerg etc having returned from loans). I know it's only a game but the squad feels much more complete and I don't think any of my signings are too unrealistic!
posted on 3/1/25
We spend a lot on transfer fees, for very average players. We don’t buy star players anymore. Ndombele & Lo Celso have obviously scarred them. Maddison closest thing to a star signing but he was from a relegated club.
Wages now, are very low. This is why we can only buy average players.
It actually makes it even more stupid that we are spending such high transfer fees if we aren’t going to back that up with decent wages. We’re wasting money
posted on 3/1/25
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 30 minutes ago
Saying we are the fourth highest spenders sheds this board in even worse light.
Spending on rondon and danjuma instead of skriniar etc etc
Always buying with financial returns over football needs.
What about wages? We are way down the list. 7th highest payers?
It’s why we miss out on player after player and buy cheaper alternatives
You can’t just measure a boards ambition by transfer fees alone. That’s the ignorance of Enic. It’s why they think they’re doing a great job.
It’s also why they’ve won one trophy in a quarter of a century, raised ticket prices to extortionate levels and cut concessions for young and old.
Enic are not your friend. They don’t want you. They want day trippers to maximise profit and shove squid games down. They don’t want returning fans who want football success and sing levy out.
It’s foolish to support them. The evidence is clear as day now.
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This isnt so polarised as support or hate ENIC. It is possible to be happy with some things and angry with others.
Its weird why you pick on random signings like Rodon (£11m) and a loan for Danjuma and compare him Skrinar. Also, those were signings in the covid period. Almost every club was getting value signings in.
If you want tro trawl back through history and cherry pick failed signings then great, but at least give it some context.
The same with wages. Uniteds wages are massive. Worked well for them has it? Forests are a fraction of ours. When it shown that our spending is very high, it then becomes about salaries. But looking at wages alone is not the whole picture.
If you want our wage bill to be £70m higher than it is to be on par with United or Arsenal, then what gives? Where's that £70m a year coming from? Some on here also endorsing cheapening the tickets too, knock another £10m off the revenues.
Liverpool reportedly have wages about £10m more than ours.
Folk like you just blurt out slogans and think its easy to build a squad.
Look at what Arsenal have done and how they've done it. It wasnt great for the first 18 months. Their signings werent stand out either. But they have carefully weeded out the unwanted, built a young and talented squad and then developed in a position to make some statement signings like Rice and Havertz.
Fans were demanding Arteta go, the owners F-off, but now you can look back and make a far better judgement. And they still are not complete in terms of squad.
I dont get why folk look at what we are doing now and start banging on about Danjuma and Saha.
posted on 3/1/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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This is an astonishing lack of perspective. So the buck stops with us fans does it? Pay more and you'll see success? I've never read so much gaslighting bullshiiiit. We pay more than City and Chelsea fans yet they're seemingly able to spend whatever they like.
I'm sick of this rhetoric that the fans are to blame if we don't have the money to spend. It's utter, utter nonsense. The money is 100% there but Levy, unlike other club owners, will not dip into the red as a gamble to become competitive. Arsenal, for example, have dipped into the PSR overspend allowance, which puts them in the red but that gamble has paid off with repeated CL qualification and very nearly a PL win. You can't operate in the black in the Premier League and expect to compete. At some point you have to gamble.
If we're being served up 18 year olds on shiiiiit wages, why the hell are we paying top dollar? Levy has cut the wage bill massively over the last two years yet do we see a reduction in prices? Do we feck. The guy is a feckin crook who will keep doing this until he's held accountable and apologists such as yourself are fast running out of excuses.
posted on 3/1/25
Please, please, please guys, just give us a bit more money with hiked ticket prices otherwise we'll have to go out and buy another Timo Werner or Danjuma on loan, or perhaps rescue Ben Godfrey from his benched position at Atalanta. It's in your hands. If we want to compete, it's up to you not to leave us short.
Yes, we have record profits from the stadium and all it's hosted events but we'd rather spend that on building a new hotel close by the ground because that comes with a cast iron guarantee of more profit, whereas ploughing money in the squad doesn't have the same guarantees it'll pay off. I hope you understand. Profit is our priority and we simply won't risk that to satisfy the lust for success for a fan base that care too much about the football and not enough about the business.
Yours, Daniel.
posted on 3/1/25
What was the point of the new stadium + highest prices in europe + concert revenue if we are still signing players from championship?
So without the aforementioned what would have happened? No signings at all?
We are in an era where even relegation candidates can spend £100m in a summer, west ham make big signings, bournemouth make big signings. Doesn’t add up
posted on 3/1/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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This is an astonishing lack of perspective. So the buck stops with us fans does it? Pay more and you'll see success? I've never read so much gaslighting bullshiiiit. We pay more than City and Chelsea fans yet they're seemingly able to spend whatever they like.
I'm sick of this rhetoric that the fans are to blame if we don't have the money to spend. It's utter, utter nonsense. The money is 100% there but Levy, unlike other club owners, will not dip into the red as a gamble to become competitive. Arsenal, for example, have dipped into the PSR overspend allowance, which puts them in the red but that gamble has paid off with repeated CL qualification and very nearly a PL win. You can't operate in the black in the Premier League and expect to compete. At some point you have to gamble.
If we're being served up 18 year olds on shiiiiit wages, why the hell are we paying top dollar? Levy has cut the wage bill massively over the last two years yet do we see a reduction in prices? Do we feck. The guy is a feckin crook who will keep doing this until he's held accountable and apologists such as yourself are fast running out of excuses.
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Gaslighting Get a grip you pansy!
I was responding to the statement "Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week."
Its a nonesense suggestion and especially when coming from an element of the fan base you criticise how much we spent of players and wages.
Never said the buck stops with the fans. You're just making shiiit up to support some feeble narrative. And to use Chelsea and City as an example Oh, i wonder why the club with the biggest revenues on the planet, a club subject to 115 charges of cheating are able to spend more then us And for all Chelsea's current on field highs they are a financial mess and will have to raise huge sums to stay compliant again, having spent the last few years as a complete shiiit show...but hey, lets try and emulate that
No one is blaming the fans. You've just made that up.
If the money is 100% there, show us! Show us our PSR position, show us Arsenal's. Lets see it because you seem to know it all.
PSR allows you to overspend by about £35m a year. That is not a game changer.
Simpletons fixate on simple headlines. Would you rather we still had Sanchez on more wages than having VDV on less, because that's the simple equation you are using a s a stick to beat with.
We arent being served up 18 year olds. We have 2 in the squad. Arsenal got Odegard at 18 and Saliba. They got Gabriel at 22. Ben White 23. They bought Rice in Arteta's 4th season.
Your pathetic stamping of your feet expecting a complete high end overall of the squad to be served up in front of you inside 18 months is just embarrassing.
posted on 3/1/25
"...and reduce our ability to spend. Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season. Sounds like a great business plan"
Correct me if I'm wrong but what you're saying here is that we have a responsibility to pay the high prices we do, otherwise we'll lose 12m towards the recruitment side. If that's the buck stopping with the fans, albeit partially, then I don't know what is.
Also, you've just said that 35m is relative peanuts in terms of PSR gains so maybe don't call out the 12m as an essential part of the transfer budget. You've basically just knocked down your own house of cards there mate.
Just like anyone on here trying to prove a point, whilst you're not massaging the figures per say, you are trivialising the importance of certain figures that don't support your agenda, but heavily pointing the finger at those that do. It makes your argument rather hollow.
posted on 3/1/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is an astonishing lack of perspective. So the buck stops with us fans does it? Pay more and you'll see success? I've never read so much gaslighting bullshiiiit. We pay more than City and Chelsea fans yet they're seemingly able to spend whatever they like.
I'm sick of this rhetoric that the fans are to blame if we don't have the money to spend. It's utter, utter nonsense. The money is 100% there but Levy, unlike other club owners, will not dip into the red as a gamble to become competitive. Arsenal, for example, have dipped into the PSR overspend allowance, which puts them in the red but that gamble has paid off with repeated CL qualification and very nearly a PL win. You can't operate in the black in the Premier League and expect to compete. At some point you have to gamble.
If we're being served up 18 year olds on shiiiiit wages, why the hell are we paying top dollar? Levy has cut the wage bill massively over the last two years yet do we see a reduction in prices? Do we feck. The guy is a feckin crook who will keep doing this until he's held accountable and apologists such as yourself are fast running out of excuses.
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Totally agree. The more it goes on the more ridiculous people like Devon look.
They’ve cut the wages by 15% this year. But upped the ticket prices by 20%
You’re an utter fool if you don’t think we’re being ripped off
Not a serious football club. They have no intention of competing
posted on 3/1/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
"...and reduce our ability to spend. Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season. Sounds like a great business plan"
Correct me if I'm wrong but what you're saying here is that we have a responsibility to pay the high prices we do, otherwise we'll lose 12m towards the recruitment side. If that's the buck stopping with the fans, albeit partially, then I don't know what is.
Also, you've just said that 35m is relative peanuts in terms of PSR gains so maybe don't call out the 12m as an essential part of the transfer budget. You've basically just knocked down your own house of cards there mate.
Just like anyone on here trying to prove a point, whilst you're not massaging the figures per say, you are trivialising the importance of certain figures that don't support your agenda, but heavily pointing the finger at those that do. It makes your argument rather hollow.
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£35m extra spend pushing us to the PSR margins of compliance is not a game changer.
Arsenal havent achieved their spending through that They also have very high prices. They have increased their prices more times than spurs and by more than spurs in recent years (6% compared to Spurs 5% this year, 5% compared to 0% Spurs last year). You're the one making up figures to push your view that Spurs should be sailing closer to the wind financially. And even if Arsenal do provide a good example to emulate, they are 2 - 3 years ahead of us in their rebuild. They havent fast tracked anything and neither are we.
I aint massaging the figures, im highlighting the inconsistencies of fans demanding more spending on wages and players against demands to reduce ticket prices/revenues. Kinda like your wife cutting her hours because she says works too hard but expecting to go on more expensive holidays. Daft!
Fans on here whine like hell about how much we spend, most dont even go to matches. SO if dropping prices means we have less to spend then what's the inevitable outcome, what's the response from the average internet spurs fan going to be?
posted on 3/1/25
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted about an hour ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is an astonishing lack of perspective. So the buck stops with us fans does it? Pay more and you'll see success? I've never read so much gaslighting bullshiiiit. We pay more than City and Chelsea fans yet they're seemingly able to spend whatever they like.
I'm sick of this rhetoric that the fans are to blame if we don't have the money to spend. It's utter, utter nonsense. The money is 100% there but Levy, unlike other club owners, will not dip into the red as a gamble to become competitive. Arsenal, for example, have dipped into the PSR overspend allowance, which puts them in the red but that gamble has paid off with repeated CL qualification and very nearly a PL win. You can't operate in the black in the Premier League and expect to compete. At some point you have to gamble.
If we're being served up 18 year olds on shiiiiit wages, why the hell are we paying top dollar? Levy has cut the wage bill massively over the last two years yet do we see a reduction in prices? Do we feck. The guy is a feckin crook who will keep doing this until he's held accountable and apologists such as yourself are fast running out of excuses.
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Totally agree. The more it goes on the more ridiculous people like Devon look.
They’ve cut the wages by 15% this year. But upped the ticket prices by 20%
You’re an utter fool if you don’t think we’re being ripped off
Not a serious football club. They have no intention of competing
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But at the same time Spurs have increased their amortisation (money out each year on transfers) from £80m in 2022 figures, to £110m in 2023, with the 2024 figures yet to be announced..
If you can tell me how Spurs can magically pay much bigger wages while also buying top class (so, expensive) players then please do share !
And who's upped ticket prices by 20%
posted on 3/1/25
Have we signed anyone yet?
posted on 3/1/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 15 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 2 minutes ago
No one should be satisfied until this club serves up the product it charges its loyal fan base for.
Like the supporters trust statement said. Either deliver on the field or ticket prices should reflect the nonsense we are watching every week.
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and reduce our ability to spend
Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season.
Sounds like a great business plan
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Not disputing the numbers - that's a lot of money. But it's also the kind of thinking Ratcliffe is applying at United and it's killing the club. The goodwill and general atmosphere of the place is shaped by the culture the leadership create. Is the priority squeezing as much as you can out of the business or creating an environment for success on the pitch?
We've heard from Danny Rose about unachievable contract bonuses. We've all seen how we've missed out on potential key players at vital times for a few million here or there. Yeah you save a bit of cash but long term is it costing us more? IMO there's a strong argument for yes. I'd argue we could have won a trophy or two over the years with a bit more spending at the right time, earning lots more in revenue and retaining players like Kane instead of losing them cos we win nothing
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You kinda contradict yourself there.
Not sure how people can promote reducing our revenues and seek "a bit more spending at the right time"
I get the whole family club vs corporate business argument. It is a very difficult balance to achieve. But we have a fan base angry at Levy for not spending more aggressively (taking the cheap options, not spending enough on wages etc) and also moaning about prices at the same time. It kinda smacks of a fan base whose demands and expectations are not grounded in reality.
No clubs have reduced prices and Spurs have been ones to have kept their increases to a minimum in recent years. Arsenal put up their prices the season before when ours stayed the same, and when we put ours up this year, they did too, by more.
Their spending has been significant over Arteta's 4 seasons
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It's not a contradiction at all. We've spent more money than we needed to because we didn't spend at the right times, on the right players. Do we actually need to do the Grealish game? How about the Sissoko panic buy?
I get that you're on some weird trip about everyone putting up prices so it's fine. But my point was referring to Levy and ENIC's tenure. That the way they've run the club has not created a successful football team. Pointing to Arsenal as if they've done the same in the same period is just mad IMO.
posted on 3/1/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
"...and reduce our ability to spend. Knock a tenner off every seat = £12m minimum lost on revenue every season. Sounds like a great business plan"
Correct me if I'm wrong but what you're saying here is that we have a responsibility to pay the high prices we do, otherwise we'll lose 12m towards the recruitment side. If that's the buck stopping with the fans, albeit partially, then I don't know what is.
Also, you've just said that 35m is relative peanuts in terms of PSR gains so maybe don't call out the 12m as an essential part of the transfer budget. You've basically just knocked down your own house of cards there mate.
Just like anyone on here trying to prove a point, whilst you're not massaging the figures per say, you are trivialising the importance of certain figures that don't support your agenda, but heavily pointing the finger at those that do. It makes your argument rather hollow.
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£35m extra spend pushing us to the PSR margins of compliance is not a game changer.
Arsenal havent achieved their spending through that They also have very high prices. They have increased their prices more times than spurs and by more than spurs in recent years (6% compared to Spurs 5% this year, 5% compared to 0% Spurs last year). You're the one making up figures to push your view that Spurs should be sailing closer to the wind financially. And even if Arsenal do provide a good example to emulate, they are 2 - 3 years ahead of us in their rebuild. They havent fast tracked anything and neither are we.
I aint massaging the figures, im highlighting the inconsistencies of fans demanding more spending on wages and players against demands to reduce ticket prices/revenues. Kinda like your wife cutting her hours because she says works too hard but expecting to go on more expensive holidays. Daft!
Fans on here whine like hell about how much we spend, most dont even go to matches. SO if dropping prices means we have less to spend then what's the inevitable outcome, what's the response from the average internet spurs fan going to be?
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That's not the point. You suggested 12m was a shortfall we couldn't do without if we want to be serious in the transfer window, then you describe 35m as no game-changer. You're highlighting the figure that best suits your argument.
Also, it's not quite as linear as ticket sales alone. We hover around the top 4 with regards to ticket prices but you have to factor in the type of stadium we have and all it offers. The events, the hospitality, the full matchday experience suggests that we should be absolutely raking it in compared to any other PL club but that just isn't reflected in recruitment. We're still routinely bullied by clubs like Chelsea (think Neto) and our wages are the lowest of any of the top six by some margin. People often get too fixated on the transfer fee but that's a small chunk compared to the total sum of the contract in terms of wages. We don't pay the wages the top players want. Why? Aside from a lack of European competition, our turnover is higher than most and if our ultimate ambition is to win trophies, we could unquestionably spend more than we do. It's a choice not a necessity.
The truth is that FFP and PSR have given Levy the perfect excuse not to spend. "If we do this, then that will happen" is basically his motto.
You speak of this being early in our rebuild. Fine. Understood. Then lets see where we are in 2-3 years because my bet is that we won't be anywhere near it. He can't use the stadium build as an excuse anymore like he did under Poch. 2-3 more years and he'll be out of answers and out of managers he can sack and hire as a feeble short term attempt to once again restart the heart.
Carragher had it bang on. It's time for new owners to have a go because we've just been treading water now for a long time. Football has become big business since ENIC first acquired the club and the large fish has now found itself in a very, very large pond full of sharks. The PL is too big for Levy now and he can't keep up with the finances involved. It's nothing against him personally, it's just got too big for him.
From what I've heard the 115 charges City are facing won't end up being as harsh a punishment as we all think which will then lead to financial reform to allow more flexibility to spend owner money. If that happens, then we are truly fecked because he won't do that. In one way I want City punished but in another I don't mind if they get away with it because it strips Levy of his arm bands.
posted on 3/1/25
Just to be clear.
As the supporters trust have said.
Either pay the wages and compete for titles
OR
Reduce tickets prices to match the mid table nonsense we are seeing now.
NOONE is demanding both.
Right now levy is having his cake and eating it. Not sure how you can’t see that.
1 trophy in 24 years.
posted on 3/1/25
"Not disputing the numbers - that's a lot of money. But it's also the kind of thinking Ratcliffe is applying at United and it's killing the club. The goodwill and general atmosphere of the place is shaped by the culture the leadership create. Is the priority squeezing as much as you can out of the business or creating an environment for success on the pitch?
We've heard from Danny Rose about unachievable contract bonuses. We've all seen how we've missed out on potential key players at vital times for a few million here or there. Yeah you save a bit of cash but long term is it costing us more? IMO there's a strong argument for yes. I'd argue we could have won a trophy or two over the years with a bit more spending at the right time, earning lots more in revenue and retaining players like Kane instead of losing them cos we win nothing"
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Didn't see this post above but it's spot on!
Also you have to argue that the current philosophy of never overspending means that it's takes so long to build that by the time you've built a squad you're almost happy with, one of your superstars wants out the door because success is taking too long. You can't expect footballers to stick by a 10 year plan when that's essentially the bulk of their careers. They don't have the time to wait. So whilst we patiently build one brick at a time, the likes of Romero are already rumoured to want out. Then it'll be others and so the cycle continues.
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