“I was talking to someone overseas the other day about Harry Maguire and the price that’s been placed on him, and he was saying that over here we don’t understand the mystery that is England’s fascination with Harry Maguire.
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Been saying this for a while. People have gone way over the top because he can carry the ball out of defence in a similar way Jones used to. He's not even the good ball playing defender he's been made out to be.
He is absolutely no better than the bunch of CBs we have. Shouldn't even be considering buying him, let alone paying £80m
At last, a journalist who talks some sense!
I can not see what all the fuss is about Maguire?!
It seems like ever since the World Cup run with England, he’a been elevated upto a higher level for some unknown reason.
He’s decent, but not great. But I don’t want him at United. And he’s certainly not worth £80 - English and or cash cow tax added or not.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 9 minutes ago
“I was talking to someone overseas the other day about Harry Maguire and the price that’s been placed on him, and he was saying that over here we don’t understand the mystery that is England’s fascination with Harry Maguire.
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Been saying this for a while. People have gone way over the top because he can carry the ball out of defence in a similar way Jones used to. He's not even the good ball playing defender he's been made out to be.
He is absolutely no better than the bunch of CBs we have. Shouldn't even be considering buying him, let alone paying £80m
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We got rid of Jonny Evans because he wasn’t good enough. He’s outshining Maguire in the premier league.
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 9 minutes ago
“I was talking to someone overseas the other day about Harry Maguire and the price that’s been placed on him, and he was saying that over here we don’t understand the mystery that is England’s fascination with Harry Maguire.
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Been saying this for a while. People have gone way over the top because he can carry the ball out of defence in a similar way Jones used to. He's not even the good ball playing defender he's been made out to be.
He is absolutely no better than the bunch of CBs we have. Shouldn't even be considering buying him, let alone paying £80m
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We got rid of Jonny Evans because he wasn’t good enough. He’s outshining Maguire in the premier league.
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I always liked Jonny Evans. He was very good for us but had a poor run of form and confidence which I think clouded people's judgement. His poor run was around the Moyes era as well which is difficult to assess. I'm pleased he's moved on and re-established himself as a good PL CB though. Certainly superior to Jones & Rojo and far more consistent than Bailly.
As I live overseas I only talk to people overseas and have never heard anyone say anything at all about him. The fuss, as it is called, since the World Cup is because he played very well in it.
Evans is a good player but could not handle the pressure at United. He's better than all our current CBs but not worth 80 million.
Nah he was bad towards the end of Fergie’s time as well. He was the very definition of a shrinking violet. Which is why your point about confidence is pertinent because he never recovered, and at a club like United mental strength is almost as important as ability.
It’s a problem a lot of our defenders still suffer with, as well as injuries. They’d be like Evans in a less pressurised environment as well, because like Evans they are good pl defenders.
Maguire hasn’t had the opportunity to show if he’s got the minerals at a club like United in his defence. But then I don’t think he’s got the ability levels we need either. So it’d be a pointless signing.
Apart from Rojo, he’d struggle at lower prem sides.
Maguire is a great defender in the high paced premier league and has shown he is good enough at International level. He would love a stroll in the slower European leagues......
Somewhere ponderous like Spain or Italy...he would shine.
He would be roasted for breakfast in Spain and Italy as the strikers there all about clever movement off the ball.
Shane Duffy for a third of the price is a better defender
Never understood the fuss about Maguire when you can slap down the same money and get a far superior player.
We need to start slapping more money down.
He's got the turning circle of a railroad train. The higher you go in the game, the more you'll find strikers licking their lips at the prospect of facing a defender like that.
I could understand Woodward's failure to see this but Pep? Not that he's not known to have been a poor judge of CBs, but surely Maguire would take the biscuit.
Pep identified his weakness in that City documentary. It's why I doubt either us or City will buy him. The only player he compliments is Smalling and we already if Lindelof doing that.
Ah, that well-qualified, consistently sensible source of football analysis that is Duncan Castles.
Why is it that these journos think they understand the game better than coaches and managers who have studied and lived it for decades?
Stick to reporting mate.
As he was a success for England in the World Cup I think he is better than he is getting credit for.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
As he was a success for England in the World Cup I think he is better than he is getting credit for.
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He really wasnt that much of a success
He was just popular because the stuff hes good at is the stuff people gravitate towards - carrying the ball out from the back and attacking set pieces.
He was hardly a rock at the back putting on defensive masterclasses every game
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 48 minutes ago
But he’s right.
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I agree about his pace, but otherwise I don’t see any critical flaws in his defensive game.
Maybe he doesn’t read the game as well as some, but how many better centrebacks are there in the PL? No more than a handful surely.
And as has been pointed out previously, even Stretty was right (very) occasionally.
It’s not just pace, his mobility is poor as well. Most of his defensive game is flawed apart from his heading. I’m hoping we won’t get the chance to see it on a regular basis for United. I’ll really starting asking questions of Ole if he signs Maguire. That’s how much I dislike him as a defender. I’d rather stick with what we have and give Tuanzebe a chance, we’d be better off for it.
If he comes to us, his flaws will be highlighted much more than they are now.
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
I’ve been saying this for ages. It’s strange seeing the shift in perception of defenders on these shores because playing out from the back has become a big part of the game. Players that are comfortable on the ball but can’t defend were always criticised in this country, especially in comparison to players that could defend but weren’t comfortable on the ball, now it’s gone completely the opposite way.
A perfect illustration of this are the views of Smalling and Maguire. Smalling is a much better defender than Maguire. Because he’s awkward on the ball and the latter isn’t, Maguire is viewed as a better defender.
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Nailed it
Generally with partnerships you would try and get complementary styles, as Bruce and Pally, Rio and Vidic. So Maguire and à fast partner. Stones isn't fast, but Peps find a way of using him.
CinC. Why will his flaws be highlighted more? As he will be playing predominantly the same teams.
Because Manchester United are under the spotlight far more than Leicester.
I thought CiC meant on the pitch. Off it doesn't really matter.
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posted on 21/6/19
“I was talking to someone overseas the other day about Harry Maguire and the price that’s been placed on him, and he was saying that over here we don’t understand the mystery that is England’s fascination with Harry Maguire.
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Been saying this for a while. People have gone way over the top because he can carry the ball out of defence in a similar way Jones used to. He's not even the good ball playing defender he's been made out to be.
He is absolutely no better than the bunch of CBs we have. Shouldn't even be considering buying him, let alone paying £80m
posted on 21/6/19
At last, a journalist who talks some sense!
I can not see what all the fuss is about Maguire?!
It seems like ever since the World Cup run with England, he’a been elevated upto a higher level for some unknown reason.
He’s decent, but not great. But I don’t want him at United. And he’s certainly not worth £80 - English and or cash cow tax added or not.
posted on 21/6/19
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 9 minutes ago
“I was talking to someone overseas the other day about Harry Maguire and the price that’s been placed on him, and he was saying that over here we don’t understand the mystery that is England’s fascination with Harry Maguire.
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Been saying this for a while. People have gone way over the top because he can carry the ball out of defence in a similar way Jones used to. He's not even the good ball playing defender he's been made out to be.
He is absolutely no better than the bunch of CBs we have. Shouldn't even be considering buying him, let alone paying £80m
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We got rid of Jonny Evans because he wasn’t good enough. He’s outshining Maguire in the premier league.
posted on 21/6/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 9 minutes ago
“I was talking to someone overseas the other day about Harry Maguire and the price that’s been placed on him, and he was saying that over here we don’t understand the mystery that is England’s fascination with Harry Maguire.
---------------------
Been saying this for a while. People have gone way over the top because he can carry the ball out of defence in a similar way Jones used to. He's not even the good ball playing defender he's been made out to be.
He is absolutely no better than the bunch of CBs we have. Shouldn't even be considering buying him, let alone paying £80m
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We got rid of Jonny Evans because he wasn’t good enough. He’s outshining Maguire in the premier league.
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I always liked Jonny Evans. He was very good for us but had a poor run of form and confidence which I think clouded people's judgement. His poor run was around the Moyes era as well which is difficult to assess. I'm pleased he's moved on and re-established himself as a good PL CB though. Certainly superior to Jones & Rojo and far more consistent than Bailly.
posted on 21/6/19
As I live overseas I only talk to people overseas and have never heard anyone say anything at all about him. The fuss, as it is called, since the World Cup is because he played very well in it.
Evans is a good player but could not handle the pressure at United. He's better than all our current CBs but not worth 80 million.
posted on 21/6/19
Nah he was bad towards the end of Fergie’s time as well. He was the very definition of a shrinking violet. Which is why your point about confidence is pertinent because he never recovered, and at a club like United mental strength is almost as important as ability.
It’s a problem a lot of our defenders still suffer with, as well as injuries. They’d be like Evans in a less pressurised environment as well, because like Evans they are good pl defenders.
Maguire hasn’t had the opportunity to show if he’s got the minerals at a club like United in his defence. But then I don’t think he’s got the ability levels we need either. So it’d be a pointless signing.
posted on 21/6/19
Apart from Rojo, he’d struggle at lower prem sides.
posted on 21/6/19
Maguire is a great defender in the high paced premier league and has shown he is good enough at International level. He would love a stroll in the slower European leagues......
Somewhere ponderous like Spain or Italy...he would shine.
posted on 21/6/19
He would be roasted for breakfast in Spain and Italy as the strikers there all about clever movement off the ball.
posted on 21/6/19
Shane Duffy for a third of the price is a better defender
posted on 21/6/19
Never understood the fuss about Maguire when you can slap down the same money and get a far superior player.
We need to start slapping more money down.
posted on 22/6/19
He's got the turning circle of a railroad train. The higher you go in the game, the more you'll find strikers licking their lips at the prospect of facing a defender like that.
I could understand Woodward's failure to see this but Pep? Not that he's not known to have been a poor judge of CBs, but surely Maguire would take the biscuit.
posted on 22/6/19
Pep identified his weakness in that City documentary. It's why I doubt either us or City will buy him. The only player he compliments is Smalling and we already if Lindelof doing that.
posted on 22/6/19
Ah, that well-qualified, consistently sensible source of football analysis that is Duncan Castles.
Why is it that these journos think they understand the game better than coaches and managers who have studied and lived it for decades?
Stick to reporting mate.
posted on 22/6/19
But he’s right.
posted on 22/6/19
As he was a success for England in the World Cup I think he is better than he is getting credit for.
posted on 22/6/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
As he was a success for England in the World Cup I think he is better than he is getting credit for.
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He really wasnt that much of a success
He was just popular because the stuff hes good at is the stuff people gravitate towards - carrying the ball out from the back and attacking set pieces.
He was hardly a rock at the back putting on defensive masterclasses every game
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 48 minutes ago
But he’s right.
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I agree about his pace, but otherwise I don’t see any critical flaws in his defensive game.
Maybe he doesn’t read the game as well as some, but how many better centrebacks are there in the PL? No more than a handful surely.
And as has been pointed out previously, even Stretty was right (very) occasionally.
posted on 22/6/19
It’s not just pace, his mobility is poor as well. Most of his defensive game is flawed apart from his heading. I’m hoping we won’t get the chance to see it on a regular basis for United. I’ll really starting asking questions of Ole if he signs Maguire. That’s how much I dislike him as a defender. I’d rather stick with what we have and give Tuanzebe a chance, we’d be better off for it.
posted on 22/6/19
If he comes to us, his flaws will be highlighted much more than they are now.
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
I’ve been saying this for ages. It’s strange seeing the shift in perception of defenders on these shores because playing out from the back has become a big part of the game. Players that are comfortable on the ball but can’t defend were always criticised in this country, especially in comparison to players that could defend but weren’t comfortable on the ball, now it’s gone completely the opposite way.
A perfect illustration of this are the views of Smalling and Maguire. Smalling is a much better defender than Maguire. Because he’s awkward on the ball and the latter isn’t, Maguire is viewed as a better defender.
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Nailed it
posted on 22/6/19
Generally with partnerships you would try and get complementary styles, as Bruce and Pally, Rio and Vidic. So Maguire and à fast partner. Stones isn't fast, but Peps find a way of using him.
posted on 22/6/19
CinC. Why will his flaws be highlighted more? As he will be playing predominantly the same teams.
posted on 22/6/19
Because Manchester United are under the spotlight far more than Leicester.
posted on 22/6/19
I thought CiC meant on the pitch. Off it doesn't really matter.
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