Johnson doesn't want a no deal Brexit. He wants to be seen to try to deliver it and have it thwarted by parliament. Just as he picked Leave in order to be the hero of the losing side in the referendum and come to power as the darling of the angry Tory party base.
Johnson is content-free, ready to say whatever will suit his personal ambition. Look at the difference between his ideological self-depiction as London mayor and now. If I were a hard Brexit supporter I wouldn't trust him any more than I do as a Remainer. It's mystifying why the Brexiteers and party members prefer a transparent cynical to someone (like Gove) who actually profoundly agrees with them.
The neighbours were apparently so fearful for Ms Symonds safety that they immediately recorded the argument before contacting the Guardian to hand over the recording.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Red the Fred (U5318)
posted 2 minutes ago
What labour and Conservatives need to do is break into two. there are too many people with different views across the spectrum to co exist in a single party. Smaller parties would mean more central coalitions could be formed which would mean more representative and balanced governments. the people at the extremes who have too much power and influence would be marginalised.
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I think this fiasco has shown us the two party system is dying, we need PR or some sort of reform to FPTP.
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We need full blown, every-vote-is-worth-the-same-as-the-next PR.
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This is the single most important thing we need to fix our politics
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Basically, we should have a democratic structure closer to that of the EU.
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 12 minutes ago
People aren't allowed to argue?
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Yes they are allowed to argue.
But "screaming followed by banging" and her telling him to get off her doesnt sound like just two people arguing.
None of us have heard the clip though so shouldn't rush to judgement, definitely concerning though
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how can you say its concerning if you hadn't heard the clip ffs
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 38 minutes ago
Corbyn had no chance anyway. 60% of the Labour party membership voted remain but labour's home ground i.e. the north voted overwhelming in favour of leave.
There was never a good outcome for Labour out of all this.
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There's a huge amount of polling data that demonstrates that a large majority of Labour voters (not just members) in Leave voting constituencies were Remain. Labour wasn't getting many of the Leave votes in those places anyway - they were going to a mixture of Tories and UKIP. It's true that the demographics makes things tricky for Labour but undeniable that they have way more Remainer votes to lose than Leavers. The policy of trying to appeal to both has failed because Brexit is now a bigger identifier for most people than party affiliation, and neither Remainers nor Leavers trust Corbyn.
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you believe that spin, how naive can you be
That are leave constituencies and labour constituencies, do the math
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 16 minutes ago
The neighbours were apparently so fearful for Ms Symonds safety that they immediately recorded the argument before contacting the Guardian to hand over the recording.
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yeah
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 52 seconds ago
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
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Then explain to me why they have waited 3 years to confirm this
"a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out"
Also how do you figure we will be in a position of weakness
I voted remain and don't want a no deal however that comment you wrote is just wrong if you know anything about business and negotiation
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 12 minutes ago
People aren't allowed to argue?
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Yes they are allowed to argue.
But "screaming followed by banging" and her telling him to get off her doesnt sound like just two people arguing.
None of us have heard the clip though so shouldn't rush to judgement, definitely concerning though
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how can you say its concerning if you hadn't heard the clip ffs
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Because of how its being described?
Dont see how its laughable to say you're worried about reports of a woman screaming
I'm saying its concerning, not horrifying ffs
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 12 minutes ago
People aren't allowed to argue?
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Yes they are allowed to argue.
But "screaming followed by banging" and her telling him to get off her doesnt sound like just two people arguing.
None of us have heard the clip though so shouldn't rush to judgement, definitely concerning though
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how can you say its concerning if you hadn't heard the clip ffs
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Because of how its being described?
Dont see how its laughable to say you're worried about reports of a woman screaming
I'm saying its concerning, not horrifying ffs
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how its described they were probably on the phone to the media before they called police trying to sell their recording
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 12 minutes ago
People aren't allowed to argue?
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Yes they are allowed to argue.
But "screaming followed by banging" and her telling him to get off her doesnt sound like just two people arguing.
None of us have heard the clip though so shouldn't rush to judgement, definitely concerning though
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how can you say its concerning if you hadn't heard the clip ffs
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Because of how its being described?
Dont see how its laughable to say you're worried about reports of a woman screaming
I'm saying its concerning, not horrifying ffs
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how its describedthey were probably on the phone to the media before they called police trying to sell their recording
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It's been reported that a woman was screaming, followed by "banging and slamming" with the woman telling a politician to get off her and get out of her flat
Why is it strange to be concerned by this?
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 12 minutes ago
People aren't allowed to argue?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes they are allowed to argue.
But "screaming followed by banging" and her telling him to get off her doesnt sound like just two people arguing.
None of us have heard the clip though so shouldn't rush to judgement, definitely concerning though
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how can you say its concerning if you hadn't heard the clip ffs
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Because of how its being described?
Dont see how its laughable to say you're worried about reports of a woman screaming
I'm saying its concerning, not horrifying ffs
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how its describedthey were probably on the phone to the media before they called police trying to sell their recording
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It's been reported that a woman was screaming, followed by "banging and slamming" with the woman telling a politician to get off her and get out of her flat
Why is it strange to be concerned by this?
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its been reported
That says it all for me.
But if you're concerned, try not to worry too much, I'm sure there be ok.
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 52 seconds ago
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
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Then explain to me why they have waited 3 years to confirm this
"a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out"
Also how do you figure we will be in a position of weakness
I voted remain and don't want a no deal however that comment you wrote is just wrong if you know anything about business and negotiation
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Labour for better or worse have a Eurosceptic in charge but more importantly believe the referendum result should be honoured with a leave agreement. That's been their stance and it's what they campaigned on in the snap election
The problem is there is now very little support for a leave agreement from voters. May agreed a deal, no one wants it, Brexiters moved to a party led by Farage promising a hard brexit (absolutely what Labour do not want)...
Your comment about business and negotiation is truly hilarious and embarrassing for you.
Given how intertwined our trading arrangements are with the EU (arrangements we've been at the forefront of negotiating in our favour as one of the 3 biggest players in the EU) leaving with no deal leaves us trading on the worst possible conditions - WTO.
There would be no customs union, all goods from the EU would require checks and if you believe this would be anything other than weaker than our current arrangement you are frankly a moron. IF you believe that.
So given we would then go back to the negotiating table while out of the customs union, out of the EU and in a position of clear weakness YOU believe this sets us up for an improved deal?
You claim I know nothing about business
Pranks what the faaack are you on about
acting like the idea of a 'concerning report' is alien to you
Apparently Boris missus got home from work early and found him in bed with Esther McVey.
what has Boris figthing with his GF after 2 many glasses of Merlot got to do with the credibility of labours Brexit Policy.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 38 minutes ago
Apparently Boris missus got home from work early and found him in bed with Esther McVey.
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Vile scousecunt is our mp
Would be happy for a bit of scandal to oust her
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
Nothing will stop Bojo and a no deal Brexit.
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Oh, dear. Are you a bottom-feeding low-life Brexiteer yourself?
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 52 seconds ago
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
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Then explain to me why they have waited 3 years to confirm this
"a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out"
Also how do you figure we will be in a position of weakness
I voted remain and don't want a no deal however that comment you wrote is just wrong if you know anything about business and negotiation
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Labour for better or worse have a Eurosceptic in charge but more importantly believe the referendum result should be honoured with a leave agreement. That's been their stance and it's what they campaigned on in the snap election
The problem is there is now very little support for a leave agreement from voters. May agreed a deal, no one wants it, Brexiters moved to a party led by Farage promising a hard brexit (absolutely what Labour do not want)...
Your comment about business and negotiation is truly hilarious and embarrassing for you.
Given how intertwined our trading arrangements are with the EU (arrangements we've been at the forefront of negotiating in our favour as one of the 3 biggest players in the EU) leaving with no deal leaves us trading on the worst possible conditions - WTO.
There would be no customs union, all goods from the EU would require checks and if you believe this would be anything other than weaker than our current arrangement you are frankly a moron. IF you believe that.
So given we would then go back to the negotiating table while out of the customs union, out of the EU and in a position of clear weakness YOU believe this sets us up for an improved deal?
You claim I know nothing about business
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Fack me you obviously don’t if you think we’re be in a position of extreme weakness
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 5 hours, 36 minutes ago
I'd say Labour need to find a way to purge themselves of theses kind of MPs to have a chance.
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You’ve gone native! Very communist/Chinese approach to politics you’re advocating
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 52 seconds ago
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
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Then explain to me why they have waited 3 years to confirm this
"a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out"
Also how do you figure we will be in a position of weakness
I voted remain and don't want a no deal however that comment you wrote is just wrong if you know anything about business and negotiation
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Labour for better or worse have a Eurosceptic in charge but more importantly believe the referendum result should be honoured with a leave agreement. That's been their stance and it's what they campaigned on in the snap election
The problem is there is now very little support for a leave agreement from voters. May agreed a deal, no one wants it, Brexiters moved to a party led by Farage promising a hard brexit (absolutely what Labour do not want)...
Your comment about business and negotiation is truly hilarious and embarrassing for you.
Given how intertwined our trading arrangements are with the EU (arrangements we've been at the forefront of negotiating in our favour as one of the 3 biggest players in the EU) leaving with no deal leaves us trading on the worst possible conditions - WTO.
There would be no customs union, all goods from the EU would require checks and if you believe this would be anything other than weaker than our current arrangement you are frankly a moron. IF you believe that.
So given we would then go back to the negotiating table while out of the customs union, out of the EU and in a position of clear weakness YOU believe this sets us up for an improved deal?
You claim I know nothing about business
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Fack me you obviously don’t if you think we’re be in a position of extreme weakness
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So you believe we'll be in a position of increased strength while trading on WTO rules after decades of being part of the EU customs union & single market?
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 52 seconds ago
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
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Then explain to me why they have waited 3 years to confirm this
"a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out"
Also how do you figure we will be in a position of weakness
I voted remain and don't want a no deal however that comment you wrote is just wrong if you know anything about business and negotiation
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Labour for better or worse have a Eurosceptic in charge but more importantly believe the referendum result should be honoured with a leave agreement. That's been their stance and it's what they campaigned on in the snap election
The problem is there is now very little support for a leave agreement from voters. May agreed a deal, no one wants it, Brexiters moved to a party led by Farage promising a hard brexit (absolutely what Labour do not want)...
Your comment about business and negotiation is truly hilarious and embarrassing for you.
Given how intertwined our trading arrangements are with the EU (arrangements we've been at the forefront of negotiating in our favour as one of the 3 biggest players in the EU) leaving with no deal leaves us trading on the worst possible conditions - WTO.
There would be no customs union, all goods from the EU would require checks and if you believe this would be anything other than weaker than our current arrangement you are frankly a moron. IF you believe that.
So given we would then go back to the negotiating table while out of the customs union, out of the EU and in a position of clear weakness YOU believe this sets us up for an improved deal?
You claim I know nothing about business
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Fack me you obviously don’t if you think we’re be in a position of extreme weakness
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So you believe we'll be in a position of increased strength while trading on WTO rules after decades of being part of the EU customs union & single market?
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nope i didn't say that however I certainly don't think we are in a position of extreme weakness.
If we leave with no deal it will be in both parties interest to get a deal sorted out asap.
The EU exports billions of pounds of trade to the UK every year so they won't be wanting to trade with us on WTO terms for too long as it will be doing as much harm to their businesses as ours.
There is also a fear for the EU businesses that UK Gov could strike strike trade deals with other countries and take their business elsewhere.
So to say we're in a position of extreme weakness is way off the mark.
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
Pranks what the faaack are you on about
acting like the idea of a 'concerning report' is alien to you
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This is all you need to know about the no mark caaant "I'm sure there be ok."
comment by Yoda's big brother Hulk (U1250)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
Pranks what the faaack are you on about
acting like the idea of a 'concerning report' is alien to you
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This is all you need to know about the no mark caaant "I'm sure there be ok."
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ever since I called u a no mark cant u started using the lingo
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Boris bust-up (off-topic)
Page 2 of 4
posted on 22/6/19
Johnson doesn't want a no deal Brexit. He wants to be seen to try to deliver it and have it thwarted by parliament. Just as he picked Leave in order to be the hero of the losing side in the referendum and come to power as the darling of the angry Tory party base.
Johnson is content-free, ready to say whatever will suit his personal ambition. Look at the difference between his ideological self-depiction as London mayor and now. If I were a hard Brexit supporter I wouldn't trust him any more than I do as a Remainer. It's mystifying why the Brexiteers and party members prefer a transparent cynical to someone (like Gove) who actually profoundly agrees with them.
posted on 22/6/19
The neighbours were apparently so fearful for Ms Symonds safety that they immediately recorded the argument before contacting the Guardian to hand over the recording.
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Red the Fred (U5318)
posted 2 minutes ago
What labour and Conservatives need to do is break into two. there are too many people with different views across the spectrum to co exist in a single party. Smaller parties would mean more central coalitions could be formed which would mean more representative and balanced governments. the people at the extremes who have too much power and influence would be marginalised.
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I think this fiasco has shown us the two party system is dying, we need PR or some sort of reform to FPTP.
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We need full blown, every-vote-is-worth-the-same-as-the-next PR.
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This is the single most important thing we need to fix our politics
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Basically, we should have a democratic structure closer to that of the EU.
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 12 minutes ago
People aren't allowed to argue?
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Yes they are allowed to argue.
But "screaming followed by banging" and her telling him to get off her doesnt sound like just two people arguing.
None of us have heard the clip though so shouldn't rush to judgement, definitely concerning though
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how can you say its concerning if you hadn't heard the clip ffs
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 38 minutes ago
Corbyn had no chance anyway. 60% of the Labour party membership voted remain but labour's home ground i.e. the north voted overwhelming in favour of leave.
There was never a good outcome for Labour out of all this.
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There's a huge amount of polling data that demonstrates that a large majority of Labour voters (not just members) in Leave voting constituencies were Remain. Labour wasn't getting many of the Leave votes in those places anyway - they were going to a mixture of Tories and UKIP. It's true that the demographics makes things tricky for Labour but undeniable that they have way more Remainer votes to lose than Leavers. The policy of trying to appeal to both has failed because Brexit is now a bigger identifier for most people than party affiliation, and neither Remainers nor Leavers trust Corbyn.
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you believe that spin, how naive can you be
That are leave constituencies and labour constituencies, do the math
posted on 22/6/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 16 minutes ago
The neighbours were apparently so fearful for Ms Symonds safety that they immediately recorded the argument before contacting the Guardian to hand over the recording.
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yeah
posted on 22/6/19
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 52 seconds ago
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
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Then explain to me why they have waited 3 years to confirm this
"a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out"
Also how do you figure we will be in a position of weakness
I voted remain and don't want a no deal however that comment you wrote is just wrong if you know anything about business and negotiation
posted on 22/6/19
Crashing out
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 12 minutes ago
People aren't allowed to argue?
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Yes they are allowed to argue.
But "screaming followed by banging" and her telling him to get off her doesnt sound like just two people arguing.
None of us have heard the clip though so shouldn't rush to judgement, definitely concerning though
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how can you say its concerning if you hadn't heard the clip ffs
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Because of how its being described?
Dont see how its laughable to say you're worried about reports of a woman screaming
I'm saying its concerning, not horrifying ffs
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 12 minutes ago
People aren't allowed to argue?
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Yes they are allowed to argue.
But "screaming followed by banging" and her telling him to get off her doesnt sound like just two people arguing.
None of us have heard the clip though so shouldn't rush to judgement, definitely concerning though
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how can you say its concerning if you hadn't heard the clip ffs
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Because of how its being described?
Dont see how its laughable to say you're worried about reports of a woman screaming
I'm saying its concerning, not horrifying ffs
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how its described they were probably on the phone to the media before they called police trying to sell their recording
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 12 minutes ago
People aren't allowed to argue?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes they are allowed to argue.
But "screaming followed by banging" and her telling him to get off her doesnt sound like just two people arguing.
None of us have heard the clip though so shouldn't rush to judgement, definitely concerning though
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how can you say its concerning if you hadn't heard the clip ffs
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Because of how its being described?
Dont see how its laughable to say you're worried about reports of a woman screaming
I'm saying its concerning, not horrifying ffs
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how its describedthey were probably on the phone to the media before they called police trying to sell their recording
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It's been reported that a woman was screaming, followed by "banging and slamming" with the woman telling a politician to get off her and get out of her flat
Why is it strange to be concerned by this?
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 12 minutes ago
People aren't allowed to argue?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes they are allowed to argue.
But "screaming followed by banging" and her telling him to get off her doesnt sound like just two people arguing.
None of us have heard the clip though so shouldn't rush to judgement, definitely concerning though
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how can you say its concerning if you hadn't heard the clip ffs
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Because of how its being described?
Dont see how its laughable to say you're worried about reports of a woman screaming
I'm saying its concerning, not horrifying ffs
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how its describedthey were probably on the phone to the media before they called police trying to sell their recording
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It's been reported that a woman was screaming, followed by "banging and slamming" with the woman telling a politician to get off her and get out of her flat
Why is it strange to be concerned by this?
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its been reported
That says it all for me.
But if you're concerned, try not to worry too much, I'm sure there be ok.
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 52 seconds ago
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
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Then explain to me why they have waited 3 years to confirm this
"a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out"
Also how do you figure we will be in a position of weakness
I voted remain and don't want a no deal however that comment you wrote is just wrong if you know anything about business and negotiation
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Labour for better or worse have a Eurosceptic in charge but more importantly believe the referendum result should be honoured with a leave agreement. That's been their stance and it's what they campaigned on in the snap election
The problem is there is now very little support for a leave agreement from voters. May agreed a deal, no one wants it, Brexiters moved to a party led by Farage promising a hard brexit (absolutely what Labour do not want)...
Your comment about business and negotiation is truly hilarious and embarrassing for you.
Given how intertwined our trading arrangements are with the EU (arrangements we've been at the forefront of negotiating in our favour as one of the 3 biggest players in the EU) leaving with no deal leaves us trading on the worst possible conditions - WTO.
There would be no customs union, all goods from the EU would require checks and if you believe this would be anything other than weaker than our current arrangement you are frankly a moron. IF you believe that.
So given we would then go back to the negotiating table while out of the customs union, out of the EU and in a position of clear weakness YOU believe this sets us up for an improved deal?
You claim I know nothing about business
posted on 22/6/19
Pranks what the faaack are you on about
acting like the idea of a 'concerning report' is alien to you
posted on 22/6/19
Apparently Boris missus got home from work early and found him in bed with Esther McVey.
posted on 22/6/19
what has Boris figthing with his GF after 2 many glasses of Merlot got to do with the credibility of labours Brexit Policy.
posted on 22/6/19
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 38 minutes ago
Apparently Boris missus got home from work early and found him in bed with Esther McVey.
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Vile scousecunt is our mp
Would be happy for a bit of scandal to oust her
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
Nothing will stop Bojo and a no deal Brexit.
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Oh, dear. Are you a bottom-feeding low-life Brexiteer yourself?
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 52 seconds ago
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
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Then explain to me why they have waited 3 years to confirm this
"a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out"
Also how do you figure we will be in a position of weakness
I voted remain and don't want a no deal however that comment you wrote is just wrong if you know anything about business and negotiation
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Labour for better or worse have a Eurosceptic in charge but more importantly believe the referendum result should be honoured with a leave agreement. That's been their stance and it's what they campaigned on in the snap election
The problem is there is now very little support for a leave agreement from voters. May agreed a deal, no one wants it, Brexiters moved to a party led by Farage promising a hard brexit (absolutely what Labour do not want)...
Your comment about business and negotiation is truly hilarious and embarrassing for you.
Given how intertwined our trading arrangements are with the EU (arrangements we've been at the forefront of negotiating in our favour as one of the 3 biggest players in the EU) leaving with no deal leaves us trading on the worst possible conditions - WTO.
There would be no customs union, all goods from the EU would require checks and if you believe this would be anything other than weaker than our current arrangement you are frankly a moron. IF you believe that.
So given we would then go back to the negotiating table while out of the customs union, out of the EU and in a position of clear weakness YOU believe this sets us up for an improved deal?
You claim I know nothing about business
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Fack me you obviously don’t if you think we’re be in a position of extreme weakness
posted on 22/6/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 5 hours, 36 minutes ago
I'd say Labour need to find a way to purge themselves of theses kind of MPs to have a chance.
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You’ve gone native! Very communist/Chinese approach to politics you’re advocating
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 52 seconds ago
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Then explain to me why they have waited 3 years to confirm this
"a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out"
Also how do you figure we will be in a position of weakness
I voted remain and don't want a no deal however that comment you wrote is just wrong if you know anything about business and negotiation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Labour for better or worse have a Eurosceptic in charge but more importantly believe the referendum result should be honoured with a leave agreement. That's been their stance and it's what they campaigned on in the snap election
The problem is there is now very little support for a leave agreement from voters. May agreed a deal, no one wants it, Brexiters moved to a party led by Farage promising a hard brexit (absolutely what Labour do not want)...
Your comment about business and negotiation is truly hilarious and embarrassing for you.
Given how intertwined our trading arrangements are with the EU (arrangements we've been at the forefront of negotiating in our favour as one of the 3 biggest players in the EU) leaving with no deal leaves us trading on the worst possible conditions - WTO.
There would be no customs union, all goods from the EU would require checks and if you believe this would be anything other than weaker than our current arrangement you are frankly a moron. IF you believe that.
So given we would then go back to the negotiating table while out of the customs union, out of the EU and in a position of clear weakness YOU believe this sets us up for an improved deal?
You claim I know nothing about business
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Fack me you obviously don’t if you think we’re be in a position of extreme weakness
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So you believe we'll be in a position of increased strength while trading on WTO rules after decades of being part of the EU customs union & single market?
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Pranks- European Champions (U6283)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 52 seconds ago
It's clear that Labour would be wise to adopt either a second referendum or remain stance.
There is very little voting will in general (from rightwing, centre or leftwing voters) for a measured leaving of the EU. As shown again and again in polling as well as the EU elections.
Most Brexiters have now aligned themselves with anyone willing to 'no deal' (a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out).
Since Labour have absolutely no interest in such a thing, never have and have in fact on several occasions tried to block it from even being a possibility there is no reason what-so-ever for them not to take a new remain stance. Doing anything else means they stand no chance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Then explain to me why they have waited 3 years to confirm this
"a new deal negotiated from a position of extreme weakness after crashing out"
Also how do you figure we will be in a position of weakness
I voted remain and don't want a no deal however that comment you wrote is just wrong if you know anything about business and negotiation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Labour for better or worse have a Eurosceptic in charge but more importantly believe the referendum result should be honoured with a leave agreement. That's been their stance and it's what they campaigned on in the snap election
The problem is there is now very little support for a leave agreement from voters. May agreed a deal, no one wants it, Brexiters moved to a party led by Farage promising a hard brexit (absolutely what Labour do not want)...
Your comment about business and negotiation is truly hilarious and embarrassing for you.
Given how intertwined our trading arrangements are with the EU (arrangements we've been at the forefront of negotiating in our favour as one of the 3 biggest players in the EU) leaving with no deal leaves us trading on the worst possible conditions - WTO.
There would be no customs union, all goods from the EU would require checks and if you believe this would be anything other than weaker than our current arrangement you are frankly a moron. IF you believe that.
So given we would then go back to the negotiating table while out of the customs union, out of the EU and in a position of clear weakness YOU believe this sets us up for an improved deal?
You claim I know nothing about business
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Fack me you obviously don’t if you think we’re be in a position of extreme weakness
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So you believe we'll be in a position of increased strength while trading on WTO rules after decades of being part of the EU customs union & single market?
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nope i didn't say that however I certainly don't think we are in a position of extreme weakness.
If we leave with no deal it will be in both parties interest to get a deal sorted out asap.
The EU exports billions of pounds of trade to the UK every year so they won't be wanting to trade with us on WTO terms for too long as it will be doing as much harm to their businesses as ours.
There is also a fear for the EU businesses that UK Gov could strike strike trade deals with other countries and take their business elsewhere.
So to say we're in a position of extreme weakness is way off the mark.
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
Pranks what the faaack are you on about
acting like the idea of a 'concerning report' is alien to you
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This is all you need to know about the no mark caaant "I'm sure there be ok."
posted on 22/6/19
comment by Yoda's big brother Hulk (U1250)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
Pranks what the faaack are you on about
acting like the idea of a 'concerning report' is alien to you
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This is all you need to know about the no mark caaant "I'm sure there be ok."
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ever since I called u a no mark cant u started using the lingo
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