Sorry but who actually gives a fvck?
There were precisely zero reports about us signing Fabinho and then one morning he's doing the lean at Melwood. Ive literally seen Fekir in a Liverpool shirst and now he's signed for Betis. We've seen agent acting 'on behalf of Utd' for Herrera when Moyes came in and no-one knew who they were.
Making judgements on paper talk is folly.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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He is another shifter of goalposts.
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Leciester board's answer to RDD by the looks of it.
Black Starr's reliable source is The Guardian, who are reporting what a club 'source' has said.
It could be true, but it is just as likely to be complete BS. The broadsheets just aren't as reliable as they used to be when it comes to transfer news. If they are going to survive in the digital world then they also have to print these clickbait articles just like the tabloids.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
Can we at least try and keep using the reply button please?
But for some weird reason you have chosen to completely ignore parts of the debate and referenced my initial opening comment as if no remarks were made after that. Bizarre
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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As I have already said, The Guardian reported previously that we had met Ajax's asking price. They also reported that we had offered him a contract, which he had knocked back.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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As I have already said, The Guardian reported previously that we had met Ajax's asking price. They also reported that we had offered him a contract, which he had knocked back.
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I asked ages ago for you or another poster to paste a link from a reliable source that confirms a formal bid was made.
The only link sent was one from The Telegraph that basically said United had made an enquiry on the price and registered interest. Quite different to agreeing terms and making a formal bid with the signing believed to be imminent. That is the difference between HM and a player you were seemingly unlikely to get
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
Black StarRDD
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1149689/Man-Utd-transfer-news-Matthijs-de-Ligt-Ajax-Juventus-Manchester-United
and that is probably as unreliable as the stuff from the Independent last night.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
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If it helps you understand how a debate works then go for it
Here’s a tip - don’t just take the opening comment. You actually have to read the whole conversation, otherwise you can get easily confused
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Black StarRDD
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1149689/Man-Utd-transfer-news-Matthijs-de-Ligt-Ajax-Juventus-Manchester-United
and that is probably as unreliable as the stuff from the Independent last night.
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No formal bid is the difference, likely because terms were never agreed between United and DeLigt. What you have there is a european football journo saying that PSG and United have enquired on the price and are ok with it.
The HM transfer is being reported as much further along the line than that.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
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If it helps you understand how a debate works then go for it
Here’s a tip - don’t just take the opening comment. You actually have to read the whole conversation, otherwise you can get easily confused
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The opening comment was what sparked the discussion you muppet.
If you were going to move the goalposts halfway through I wouldn't have bothered.
No formal bid is the difference, likely because terms were never agreed between United and DeLigt. What you have there is a european football journo saying that PSG and United have enquired on the price and are ok with it.
The HM transfer is being reported as much further along the line than that.
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If you want to over-interpret the reports then be my guest.
Neither of them said that a formal bid was made. Both said that United had agreed terms with clubs. Neither have said we have agreed anything with the player.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
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If it helps you understand how a debate works then go for it
Here’s a tip - don’t just take the opening comment. You actually have to read the whole conversation, otherwise you can get easily confused
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The opening comment was what sparked the discussion you muppet.
If you were going to move the goalposts halfway through I wouldn't have bothered.
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It’s not moving the goalposts you moron it’s part of the debate. Both sides explain in more detail their points.
What you’ve done is equivalent to standing in front of someone and having a conversation whereby you listen to the opening comment, put your fingers in your ears for the rest of the conversation, and then take them out to finish off. No wonder you’re all over the place
I must have said at least 3 times that there were no reliable sources confirming actual bids made. Don’t give me a non story from the guardian of United being ok with £70m. That’s a long way from actually agreeing terms with the player and submitting a formal bid
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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As I have already said, The Guardian reported previously that we had met Ajax's asking price. They also reported that we had offered him a contract, which he had knocked back.
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I asked ages ago for you or another poster to paste a link from a reliable source that confirms a formal bid was made.
The only link sent was one from The Telegraph that basically said United had made an enquiry on the price and registered interest. Quite different to agreeing terms and making a formal bid with the signing believed to be imminent. That is the difference between HM and a player you were seemingly unlikely to get
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The content of the report is different. The validity of the report isn't.
Miguel Delaney reported that De Ligt was considering joining us and that the money we had offered him was 'staggering'. He is The Independent's chief football writer. Just as much validity as the reports from last night.
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No formal bid is the difference, likely because terms were never agreed between United and DeLigt. What you have there is a european football journo saying that PSG and United have enquired on the price and are ok with it.
The HM transfer is being reported as much further along the line than that.
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If you want to over-interpret the reports then be my guest.
Neither of them said that a formal bid was made. Both said that United had agreed terms with clubs. Neither have said we have agreed anything with the player.
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That’s not true is it? It’s been reported that you have submitted two formal bids for Maguire. The first being £60m cash with add ons which was rejected
Why would you be making formal bids for a player you haven’t agreed any terms with. Surely that’s the first step?
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
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If it helps you understand how a debate works then go for it
Here’s a tip - don’t just take the opening comment. You actually have to read the whole conversation, otherwise you can get easily confused
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The opening comment was what sparked the discussion you muppet.
If you were going to move the goalposts halfway through I wouldn't have bothered.
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It’s not moving the goalposts you moron it’s part of the debate. Both sides explain in more detail their points.
What you’ve done is equivalent to standing in front of someone and having a conversation whereby you listen to the opening comment, put your fingers in your ears for the rest of the conversation, and then take them out to finish off. No wonder you’re all over the place
I must have said at least 3 times that there were no reliable sources confirming actual bids made. Don’t give me a non story from the guardian of United being ok with £70m. That’s a long way from actually agreeing terms with the player and submitting a formal bid
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This is a summary of what you've just done on this thread. Hopefully it gives you an idea of how stupid you are:
You: There were no reports of United bidding for De Ligt
Me: There were
You: Show me
Me: Google it
You: yes, but I meant reports from very specific outlets that I consider reliable
Me: Well you didnt say that did you?
You: I did, but you only read the first comment.
You're welcome
Late I know but I didn't mean buy someone else to partner him, I meant choose well from the ones we have. Bailly for me, he's quick.
That’s not true is it?
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I'm not saying they are true. I'm saying that the reports for De Ligt and HM both say that we have agreed terms with the selling clubs.
..............
Why would you be making formal bids for a player you haven’t agreed any terms with. Surely that’s the first step?
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I don't know what the first step is these days but there were days where that was regarded as tapping up.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
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If it helps you understand how a debate works then go for it
Here’s a tip - don’t just take the opening comment. You actually have to read the whole conversation, otherwise you can get easily confused
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The opening comment was what sparked the discussion you muppet.
If you were going to move the goalposts halfway through I wouldn't have bothered.
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It’s not moving the goalposts you moron it’s part of the debate. Both sides explain in more detail their points.
What you’ve done is equivalent to standing in front of someone and having a conversation whereby you listen to the opening comment, put your fingers in your ears for the rest of the conversation, and then take them out to finish off. No wonder you’re all over the place
I must have said at least 3 times that there were no reliable sources confirming actual bids made. Don’t give me a non story from the guardian of United being ok with £70m. That’s a long way from actually agreeing terms with the player and submitting a formal bid
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This is a summary of what you've just done on this thread. Hopefully it gives you an idea of how stupid you are:
You: There were no reports of United bidding for De Ligt
Me: There were
You: Show me
Me: Google it
You: yes, but I meant reports from very specific outlets that I consider reliable
Me: Well you didnt say that did you?
You: I did, but you only read the first comment.
You're welcome
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It was a bit like this
Me: no reports of formal bid made for DeLigt
You: yes there were
Me: show me
You: it’s all over google
Me: I’m not taking about the fake news trash which reports about 100 bids per day on caught offside.com etc. I’m talking about a serious bid made confirmed by a reliable source as with the HM bid
You: I read in the guardian that United had agreed terms with Ajax
Me: that’s not a formal bid with an imminent transfer
You: that’s not what you said
Me: I literally just facking said it
You: no you didn’t use the word reliable in your first sentence
Me: I know but I literally clarified this in the following post
You: it doesn’t matter. I’m going to base the entirety of my argument on your original wording without taking into account anything else you said in the following conversation we had
Me: Oh
Cheers
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That’s not true is it?
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I'm not saying they are true. I'm saying that the reports for De Ligt and HM both say that we have agreed terms with the selling clubs.
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Why would you be making formal bids for a player you haven’t agreed any terms with. Surely that’s the first step?
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I don't know what the first step is these days but there were days where that was regarded as tapping up.
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I think that it differs from transfer to transfer these days. Sometimes the selling club lets the buying club talk to the player to see if they can agree a contract before they talk about a price. Sometimes it works the other way. Take Lukaku for example - I'd be very surprised if Raiola doesn't know what money is on offer there. Otherwise the two clubs might just be wasting their time with the negotiations.
"You: I read in the guardian that United had agreed terms with Ajax"
Yeah, I never said this though did I? So that whole transcript of yours makes no sense.
Again, you're welcome.
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Sorry but who actually gives a fvck?
There were precisely zero reports about us signing Fabinho and then one morning he's doing the lean at Melwood. Ive literally seen Fekir in a Liverpool shirst and now he's signed for Betis. We've seen agent acting 'on behalf of Utd' for Herrera when Moyes came in and no-one knew who they were.
Making judgements on paper talk is folly.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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He is another shifter of goalposts.
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You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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He is another shifter of goalposts.
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Leciester board's answer to RDD by the looks of it.
posted on 22/7/19
Black Starr's reliable source is The Guardian, who are reporting what a club 'source' has said.
It could be true, but it is just as likely to be complete BS. The broadsheets just aren't as reliable as they used to be when it comes to transfer news. If they are going to survive in the digital world then they also have to print these clickbait articles just like the tabloids.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Can we at least try and keep using the reply button please?
posted on 22/7/19
But for some weird reason you have chosen to completely ignore parts of the debate and referenced my initial opening comment as if no remarks were made after that. Bizarre
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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As I have already said, The Guardian reported previously that we had met Ajax's asking price. They also reported that we had offered him a contract, which he had knocked back.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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As I have already said, The Guardian reported previously that we had met Ajax's asking price. They also reported that we had offered him a contract, which he had knocked back.
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I asked ages ago for you or another poster to paste a link from a reliable source that confirms a formal bid was made.
The only link sent was one from The Telegraph that basically said United had made an enquiry on the price and registered interest. Quite different to agreeing terms and making a formal bid with the signing believed to be imminent. That is the difference between HM and a player you were seemingly unlikely to get
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
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Black StarRDD
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1149689/Man-Utd-transfer-news-Matthijs-de-Ligt-Ajax-Juventus-Manchester-United
and that is probably as unreliable as the stuff from the Independent last night.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
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If it helps you understand how a debate works then go for it
Here’s a tip - don’t just take the opening comment. You actually have to read the whole conversation, otherwise you can get easily confused
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Black StarRDD
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1149689/Man-Utd-transfer-news-Matthijs-de-Ligt-Ajax-Juventus-Manchester-United
and that is probably as unreliable as the stuff from the Independent last night.
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No formal bid is the difference, likely because terms were never agreed between United and DeLigt. What you have there is a european football journo saying that PSG and United have enquired on the price and are ok with it.
The HM transfer is being reported as much further along the line than that.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
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If it helps you understand how a debate works then go for it
Here’s a tip - don’t just take the opening comment. You actually have to read the whole conversation, otherwise you can get easily confused
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The opening comment was what sparked the discussion you muppet.
If you were going to move the goalposts halfway through I wouldn't have bothered.
posted on 22/7/19
No formal bid is the difference, likely because terms were never agreed between United and DeLigt. What you have there is a european football journo saying that PSG and United have enquired on the price and are ok with it.
The HM transfer is being reported as much further along the line than that.
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If you want to over-interpret the reports then be my guest.
Neither of them said that a formal bid was made. Both said that United had agreed terms with clubs. Neither have said we have agreed anything with the player.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
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If it helps you understand how a debate works then go for it
Here’s a tip - don’t just take the opening comment. You actually have to read the whole conversation, otherwise you can get easily confused
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The opening comment was what sparked the discussion you muppet.
If you were going to move the goalposts halfway through I wouldn't have bothered.
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It’s not moving the goalposts you moron it’s part of the debate. Both sides explain in more detail their points.
What you’ve done is equivalent to standing in front of someone and having a conversation whereby you listen to the opening comment, put your fingers in your ears for the rest of the conversation, and then take them out to finish off. No wonder you’re all over the place
I must have said at least 3 times that there were no reliable sources confirming actual bids made. Don’t give me a non story from the guardian of United being ok with £70m. That’s a long way from actually agreeing terms with the player and submitting a formal bid
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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As I have already said, The Guardian reported previously that we had met Ajax's asking price. They also reported that we had offered him a contract, which he had knocked back.
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I asked ages ago for you or another poster to paste a link from a reliable source that confirms a formal bid was made.
The only link sent was one from The Telegraph that basically said United had made an enquiry on the price and registered interest. Quite different to agreeing terms and making a formal bid with the signing believed to be imminent. That is the difference between HM and a player you were seemingly unlikely to get
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The content of the report is different. The validity of the report isn't.
Miguel Delaney reported that De Ligt was considering joining us and that the money we had offered him was 'staggering'. He is The Independent's chief football writer. Just as much validity as the reports from last night.
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No formal bid is the difference, likely because terms were never agreed between United and DeLigt. What you have there is a european football journo saying that PSG and United have enquired on the price and are ok with it.
The HM transfer is being reported as much further along the line than that.
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If you want to over-interpret the reports then be my guest.
Neither of them said that a formal bid was made. Both said that United had agreed terms with clubs. Neither have said we have agreed anything with the player.
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That’s not true is it? It’s been reported that you have submitted two formal bids for Maguire. The first being £60m cash with add ons which was rejected
Why would you be making formal bids for a player you haven’t agreed any terms with. Surely that’s the first step?
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
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If it helps you understand how a debate works then go for it
Here’s a tip - don’t just take the opening comment. You actually have to read the whole conversation, otherwise you can get easily confused
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The opening comment was what sparked the discussion you muppet.
If you were going to move the goalposts halfway through I wouldn't have bothered.
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It’s not moving the goalposts you moron it’s part of the debate. Both sides explain in more detail their points.
What you’ve done is equivalent to standing in front of someone and having a conversation whereby you listen to the opening comment, put your fingers in your ears for the rest of the conversation, and then take them out to finish off. No wonder you’re all over the place
I must have said at least 3 times that there were no reliable sources confirming actual bids made. Don’t give me a non story from the guardian of United being ok with £70m. That’s a long way from actually agreeing terms with the player and submitting a formal bid
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This is a summary of what you've just done on this thread. Hopefully it gives you an idea of how stupid you are:
You: There were no reports of United bidding for De Ligt
Me: There were
You: Show me
Me: Google it
You: yes, but I meant reports from very specific outlets that I consider reliable
Me: Well you didnt say that did you?
You: I did, but you only read the first comment.
You're welcome
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Late I know but I didn't mean buy someone else to partner him, I meant choose well from the ones we have. Bailly for me, he's quick.
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That’s not true is it?
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I'm not saying they are true. I'm saying that the reports for De Ligt and HM both say that we have agreed terms with the selling clubs.
..............
Why would you be making formal bids for a player you haven’t agreed any terms with. Surely that’s the first step?
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I don't know what the first step is these days but there were days where that was regarded as tapping up.
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Should have gone all out for DeLigt for that money
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Maybe we did.
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No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer.
Amazingly DeLigt was available for £40m before the start of last season according to his agent. That would actually take good scouting though
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There were tons of reports of us making a bid. He most likely just didnt want to come.
Our scouts also identified De Ligt and De Jong 2 or 3 years ago. It was some other muppet in the hierarchy who said no.
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Ssssshhhh. Stop dealing with reality.
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How much was the bid for and when was it made?
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How the hell should anyone here know?
Are you related to a fella named RDD by any chance?
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Because you’re saying it was reported in the news that United made a bid for DeLigt. That would be pretty big news to United fans yet you can’t remember when or how much it was.....
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Not everyone is gullible enough to pay too much attention to every newspaper report that they read.
You seem convinced that the report about HM last night was concrete. It might well be, but for me, it is no different to tens of other reports I have read this summer.
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Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/31/matthijs-de-ligt-tell-manchester-united-decision-transfer-coming/
Here is the Telegraph reporting our interest in De Ligt.
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That’s not a formal bid is it? I’m sure you’ve registered interest in loads of players - the difference with HM is that you’ve submitted 2 offers to the club. Not saying there wasn’t a good reason you didn’t with DeLigt but you were saying that bids had been made
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And?! If you google Man Utd De Ligt bid you will find a load of tabloids reporting a bid. I am just not daft enough to believe them.
I believe we were interested, but as Robbing quite correctly said we are not going to bid for a player who has no interest in joining us. You seem to have an extremely simplistic view of how transfers work.
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I’ll try this again - this time with crayons
Fake news sites report bogus bids all the time.
Respected news outlets who have sources within the clubs don’t.
There is far more weight behind the reports of HMs bids than there is on DeLigt. The reason for that I suspect is because, despite your claim to the contrary, you haven’t submitted a formal offer
Not saying you would have got him - but there is no credible news outlet saying you bid for him. That’s the difference with HM
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Are you stupid? Like, seriously?
I dont believe we submitted a bid. I have literally said this in my previous post. Your claim was though that there were no reports of us submitting a bid (with no mention of reliability of the source). There were.
I do believe we were probably very interested. Why wouldn't we be? We most likely sounded out De Ligt's agent and were knocked back because there were better clubs after him. At that point, there is absolutely no point wasting time by making a bid, is there?
The situation with Maguire is completely different.
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No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid and that’s the difference with HM. You were basically saying both scenarios were comparable, they aren’t
Trust that helps
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"No - my claim was that there were no RELIABLE sources you could provide to show that United submitted a formal bid"
Erm, no. No it wasnt.
"No reports of you making a bid, unlike Maguire who you’ve been after since last summer"
You are getting yourself into a right muddle here arent you?
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Not really because you’re ignoring the following part of the conversation where I clearly state that I’m talking about reliable reports;
‘Big difference between reading fake news reports on the sources ‘newsnow’ picks up (caught offside, 442 etc) and the confirmation on HM bids from the likes of The Telegraph, The Independent and Sky.
These journalists have sources within the club at senior level and the HM bids carry far more weight than unconfirmed reports from the likes of Sport Witness - who basically just aggregate absolute rubbish from other fake news sites across Europe
If United made a serious bid for DeLigt then I’m sure we would have known about it from reliable sources’
That was made within minutes of my first comment and clarified quite clearly the difference between HM and DeLigt
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Jesus Christ, lad. I give up.
Next time I think about getting into a discussion with you, please remind me to go bang my head against a wall instead.
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If it helps you understand how a debate works then go for it
Here’s a tip - don’t just take the opening comment. You actually have to read the whole conversation, otherwise you can get easily confused
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The opening comment was what sparked the discussion you muppet.
If you were going to move the goalposts halfway through I wouldn't have bothered.
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It’s not moving the goalposts you moron it’s part of the debate. Both sides explain in more detail their points.
What you’ve done is equivalent to standing in front of someone and having a conversation whereby you listen to the opening comment, put your fingers in your ears for the rest of the conversation, and then take them out to finish off. No wonder you’re all over the place
I must have said at least 3 times that there were no reliable sources confirming actual bids made. Don’t give me a non story from the guardian of United being ok with £70m. That’s a long way from actually agreeing terms with the player and submitting a formal bid
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This is a summary of what you've just done on this thread. Hopefully it gives you an idea of how stupid you are:
You: There were no reports of United bidding for De Ligt
Me: There were
You: Show me
Me: Google it
You: yes, but I meant reports from very specific outlets that I consider reliable
Me: Well you didnt say that did you?
You: I did, but you only read the first comment.
You're welcome
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It was a bit like this
Me: no reports of formal bid made for DeLigt
You: yes there were
Me: show me
You: it’s all over google
Me: I’m not taking about the fake news trash which reports about 100 bids per day on caught offside.com etc. I’m talking about a serious bid made confirmed by a reliable source as with the HM bid
You: I read in the guardian that United had agreed terms with Ajax
Me: that’s not a formal bid with an imminent transfer
You: that’s not what you said
Me: I literally just facking said it
You: no you didn’t use the word reliable in your first sentence
Me: I know but I literally clarified this in the following post
You: it doesn’t matter. I’m going to base the entirety of my argument on your original wording without taking into account anything else you said in the following conversation we had
Me: Oh
Cheers
posted on 22/7/19
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 1 minute ago
That’s not true is it?
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I'm not saying they are true. I'm saying that the reports for De Ligt and HM both say that we have agreed terms with the selling clubs.
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Why would you be making formal bids for a player you haven’t agreed any terms with. Surely that’s the first step?
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I don't know what the first step is these days but there were days where that was regarded as tapping up.
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I think that it differs from transfer to transfer these days. Sometimes the selling club lets the buying club talk to the player to see if they can agree a contract before they talk about a price. Sometimes it works the other way. Take Lukaku for example - I'd be very surprised if Raiola doesn't know what money is on offer there. Otherwise the two clubs might just be wasting their time with the negotiations.
posted on 22/7/19
"You: I read in the guardian that United had agreed terms with Ajax"
Yeah, I never said this though did I? So that whole transcript of yours makes no sense.
Again, you're welcome.
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