comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh and no, Elvis, it's not folly.
Unless you've suffered racism throughout your life, you're in absolutely no position to discuss how it feels in comparison to other forms of abuse.
It was a stupid comment and I absolutely stand by my criticism of it.
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Has anyone ever mocked the death of one of your siblings?
comment by Dave (U11711)
posted 4 minutes ago
Winston and Elvis,
Any answers to Elvis' question in the OP?
What chance is there of ever getting rid of racism over there when even a player's own fans condone racism?
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This
Looks like I turned up late to the Winston show again.
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 3 hours ago
If Scott Brown was being taunted repeatedly by large numbers of a crowd about the death of his sister, with the authorities doing nothing to stop them and his own teams supporters even trying to defend their actions by suggesting the opposition were simply trying to wind him up then people may have a point about the situation being comparable to Lukaku's. However they are very different.
He was abused by an individual whilst boarding a team bus. The subject of the abuse is simply disgusting and completely unacceptable from some lowlife cant. I've no doubt the comment was just as hurtful, certainly with the same spiteful intent, however it was ultimately the comment of an utter lowlife individual who you would hope will get what's coming to him and his words certainly wouldn't be condoned by those around him.
Now compare this to the racist abuse suffered by Lukaku. Imagine if Scott Brown was playing in front of an almost entirely black crowd and as one of the few white people in the entire stadium, he was subject to racist abuse by large members of the black crowd simply because he is white.
Now to give even more perspective, imagine Scott Browns family and children (who are also white) are at the game. How do you think he would feel, trying to play football whilst enduring a large number of black people hurl racist abuse at him simply because he was white, also in the knowledge that his family and children were in the crowd and could hear every word.
Furthermore, how do you think his family and children would feel? Watching and hearing the racist chants shouted from the crowd that are not only abusing him but are also abusing them. Simply because they are white.
Now put yourself in each of those players positions. Are people really suggesting that an individual tw@t making a comment about your deceased sister is worse then you and your family repeatedly being subject to racist abuse simply because of the colour of your skin?
To an extent you can probably shield your children from sick individual comments but how do you explain why you are being abused simply because of your skin? Also in the knowledge that unless things change, your children may well suffer the same abuse when they're older that you have had to endure. Not sure Scott Brown will lose too much sleep over his children being taunted about the death of their auntie when they grow up however for Lukaku the fear of his children suffering racist abuse is very real.
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Elvis, this comment should end the thread ^^^
Says it all
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Not for me Robb. I just think that the pain losing a sibling and the fact that anyone could mock that is more hurtful than someone abusing you because of the colour of your skin. I appreciate that you might disagree with that.
comment by Dave (U11711)
posted 7 minutes ago
Winston and Elvis,
Any answers to Elvis' question in the OP?
What chance is there of ever getting rid of racism over there when even a player's own fans condone racism?
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No chance really.
It's things like this that make me wonder if we'll ever rid the world of racism.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Looks like I turned up late to the Winston show again.
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That's entirely unfair but sure, let's all blame Winston.
Sigh.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Oh and no, Elvis, it's not folly.
Unless you've suffered racism throughout your life, you're in absolutely no position to discuss how it feels in comparison to other forms of abuse.
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Winston, anyone can give an opinion on whether they would be most hurt by someone abusing them over their skin colour or the death of a loved one. Do you know why? Because it is their opinion - not yours.
comment by Dave (U11711)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago
Just wow. The utter stupidity and ignorance of this. It’s actually confused me.
Is it possible to re-educate a nation?
Here are some things that happened in Italy last year:
Macerata shooting, Marche: On 3 February 2018, a 28-year-old Italian, Luca Traini, performed a terror attack by severely injuring six migrants from Sub-Saharan Africa in a drive-by shooting incident that was described as an act of revenge motivated by the Murder of Pamela Mastropietro. The suspect was later arrested while wearing the Flag of Italy draped over his shoulders near a WW2 memorial in Macerata.
Traini was described as a far-right political sympathizer who ran for the League and was reported to be supposedly acquainted with Mastropietro.
S.Calogero, Calabria. On 2 June - The evening of Saturday, June 2 - in San Calogero, in the province of Vibo Valentia - a 29-year-old trade unionist from Mali, Soumayla Sacko, died of a shot in the temple. The attack may have been actually ordered by the local mafia on the ground of the man's political activism.
Caserta, Campania, 11 June 2018. Two Malian men were attacked by a few people with air guns from a car and got shot. According to the victims, the aggressors were heard singing in praise the Interior minister Matteo Salvini.
Naples, Campania, 20 June 2018. Konate, a young Malian immigrant, was injured by a few people shooting him in the belly with a pellet gun while returning home after his work at a restaurant.
Forlì, Emilia-Romagna, 5 July 2018. An Ivorian man was injured by air gun shots from a running car.
Latina, Lazio, 11 July 2018. Two African migrants got shot at a bus stop, again from a running car.
Rome, Lazio, 17 July 2018. A Roma child was wounded after being shot with an air gun. Some days later, the shooter was found and justified himself on the score of “doing some training with the new gun, without intention of shooting anyone”.
Vicenza, Veneto, 26 July 2018. An Italian man shot a builder from Capo Verde who was working across the street. He justified himself stating that he was “just taking aim at a pigeon”
Partinico Sicily. A migrant from Senegal got beaten up by some Italian men that were yelling “Go back to your country, dirty nagger”.
Roseto, Abruzzo, 30 July 2018. An Italian-Senegalese man tried to renew his health card at a local hospital. An employee refused to offer him service and told him: “This is not a veterinary office”
Pistoia, Tuscany, 2 August 2018. An immigrant of unknown nationality was assaulted by two men that were shouting racist comments against him.
Falerna, Calabria, 14 August 2018. A Dominican citizen was assaulted and injured by a group of assailants that shouted racist comments against him. His Italian mother-in-law was also beaten.
Partinico, Sicily, 14 August 2018. Four Gambians and an Ivorian citizen were beaten and assaulted by several attackers for racist motives.
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Jebus H. Christ!
I dislike humans, so manys.
The vet comment really gets me sad.
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This is deeply sad and worrying.
And the fact that this was just one year's incidents.
And also are the gun laws more 'relaxed' in Italy?
Air guns may fall under a different category, but nonetheless still dangerous under bad intentions.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Oh and no, Elvis, it's not folly.
Unless you've suffered racism throughout your life, you're in absolutely no position to discuss how it feels in comparison to other forms of abuse.
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Winston, anyone can give an opinion on whether they would be most hurt by someone abusing them over their skin colour or the death of a loved one. Do you know why? Because it is their opinion - not yours.
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And some opinions are significantly more credible than others.
A middle aged white man has no place telling a black man whether racism is easier or harder to deal with than other forms of abuse.
It's ignorant in the extreme but it goes on a great deal.
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 3 hours ago
If Scott Brown was being taunted repeatedly by large numbers of a crowd about the death of his sister, with the authorities doing nothing to stop them and his own teams supporters even trying to defend their actions by suggesting the opposition were simply trying to wind him up then people may have a point about the situation being comparable to Lukaku's. However they are very different.
He was abused by an individual whilst boarding a team bus. The subject of the abuse is simply disgusting and completely unacceptable from some lowlife cant. I've no doubt the comment was just as hurtful, certainly with the same spiteful intent, however it was ultimately the comment of an utter lowlife individual who you would hope will get what's coming to him and his words certainly wouldn't be condoned by those around him.
Now compare this to the racist abuse suffered by Lukaku. Imagine if Scott Brown was playing in front of an almost entirely black crowd and as one of the few white people in the entire stadium, he was subject to racist abuse by large members of the black crowd simply because he is white.
Now to give even more perspective, imagine Scott Browns family and children (who are also white) are at the game. How do you think he would feel, trying to play football whilst enduring a large number of black people hurl racist abuse at him simply because he was white, also in the knowledge that his family and children were in the crowd and could hear every word.
Furthermore, how do you think his family and children would feel? Watching and hearing the racist chants shouted from the crowd that are not only abusing him but are also abusing them. Simply because they are white.
Now put yourself in each of those players positions. Are people really suggesting that an individual tw@t making a comment about your deceased sister is worse then you and your family repeatedly being subject to racist abuse simply because of the colour of your skin?
To an extent you can probably shield your children from sick individual comments but how do you explain why you are being abused simply because of your skin? Also in the knowledge that unless things change, your children may well suffer the same abuse when they're older that you have had to endure. Not sure Scott Brown will lose too much sleep over his children being taunted about the death of their auntie when they grow up however for Lukaku the fear of his children suffering racist abuse is very real.
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Elvis, this comment should end the thread ^^^
Says it all
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No it doesn't...you must be really naive if you think it is one comment by one individual at a football match mocking deaths. I have heard it nuneeous times over the last few yrs at OT. I haven't personally heard any racist comments for yrs at OT and i certainly haven't heard any racist chanting for many many many yrs at OT
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Oh and no, Elvis, it's not folly.
Unless you've suffered racism throughout your life, you're in absolutely no position to discuss how it feels in comparison to other forms of abuse.
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Winston, anyone can give an opinion on whether they would be most hurt by someone abusing them over their skin colour or the death of a loved one. Do you know why? Because it is their opinion - not yours.
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And some opinions are significantly more credible than others.
A middle aged white man has no place telling a black man whether racism is easier or harder to deal with than other forms of abuse.
It's ignorant in the extreme but it goes on a great deal.
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Firstly, can middle aged white men not be subjected to racial abuse?
Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about. Because it is their personal opinion.
I mean, United Kaz has shown already that he doesn't agree with your opinion based on his personal experiences. And I have disagreed with you based on mine.
Elvis (U7425)
Are you for real?
"Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about"
Let me make this very clear for you.
A white man living in the UK has absolutely no place in telling a black man about the extent to which racial abuse is upsetting, in comparison with other forms of abuse.
If you cannot accept that then you're extremely ignorant and not someone I wish to discuss this with any further.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to tell you'd based on sheer ignorance.
I also will remind you that you completely misinterpreted my initial point and can't admit your error, which does suggest you'd rather argue and can never admit you're wrong - making the debate even more pointless.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
Elvis (U7425)
Are you for real?
"Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about"
Let me make this very clear for you.
A white man living in the UK has absolutely no place in telling a black man about the extent to which racial abuse is upsetting, in comparison with other forms of abuse.
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What about a white man living in the UK, that has previously lived in Central Vietnam where he has been subjected to racial abuse?
I don’t get why people have to always bring up comparatives - in terms of severity - when discussing racial abuse. It’s not really relevant.
Uh oh...winstons climbed onto his rather tall horse...
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
Elvis (U7425)
Are you for real?
"Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about"
Let me make this very clear for you.
A white man living in the UK has absolutely no place in telling a black man about the extent to which racial abuse is upsetting, in comparison with other forms of abuse.
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What about a white man living in the UK, that has previously lived in Central Vietnam where he has been subjected to racial abuse?
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Well, if any white man wants to outline why they understand what it's like to live through a lifetime of racial prejudice, then of course the credibility of the opinion changes.
But I don't think that's the case here, is it?
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Uh oh...winstons climbed onto his rather tall horse...
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Oh fack off.
This is a serious subject and if you're going to behave like a child then just stop.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t get why people have to always bring up comparatives - in terms of severity - when discussing racial abuse. It’s not really relevant.
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Exactly my original point.
It's stupid, it's ignorant and it's typical of people who subconsciously like to play down the effects of racism and liken it to name calling.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
Elvis (U7425)
Are you for real?
"Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about"
Let me make this very clear for you.
A white man living in the UK has absolutely no place in telling a black man about the extent to which racial abuse is upsetting, in comparison with other forms of abuse.
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What about a white man living in the UK, that has previously lived in Central Vietnam where he has been subjected to racial abuse?
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Well, if any white man wants to outline why they understand what it's like to live through a lifetime of racial prejudice, then of course the credibility of the opinion changes.
But I don't think that's the case here, is it?
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Not a lifetime no, but a sustained period. Didn't bother me. Just thought the locals were ignorant. But if anyone mocked me over the death of a loved one, I'd be absolutely seething.
A middle aged white man has no place telling a black man whether racism is easier or harder to deal with than other forms of abuse.
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The reverse is equally the same.
Elvis (U7425)
Well it's different, isn't it?
That's why I said it's absurd to rank one as worse than the other.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
Elvis (U7425)
Are you for real?
"Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about"
Let me make this very clear for you.
A white man living in the UK has absolutely no place in telling a black man about the extent to which racial abuse is upsetting, in comparison with other forms of abuse.
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What about a white man living in the UK, that has previously lived in Central Vietnam where he has been subjected to racial abuse?
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Racial abuse or bad memories of the atrocities of the Vietnam war? They still hold bad blood towards westerners as a result.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t get why people have to always bring up comparatives - in terms of severity - when discussing racial abuse. It’s not really relevant.
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Exactly my original point.
It's stupid, it's ignorant and it's typical of people who subconsciously like to play down the effects of racism and liken it to name calling.
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Just saw it was Manc Python that first brought it up, which is no surprise.
so what im getting from that is they dont actually care about the skin colour, but they will bring it up knowing it'll put them off their game
hmm
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t get why people have to always bring up comparatives - in terms of severity - when discussing racial abuse. It’s not really relevant.
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Exactly my original point.
It's stupid, it's ignorant and it's typical of people who subconsciously like to play down the effects of racism and liken it to name calling.
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Just saw it was Manc Python that first brought it up, which is no surprise.
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Completely missing the whole point which doesn't surprise me due to the complete fister that you are
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posted on 4/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh and no, Elvis, it's not folly.
Unless you've suffered racism throughout your life, you're in absolutely no position to discuss how it feels in comparison to other forms of abuse.
It was a stupid comment and I absolutely stand by my criticism of it.
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Has anyone ever mocked the death of one of your siblings?
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Dave (U11711)
posted 4 minutes ago
Winston and Elvis,
Any answers to Elvis' question in the OP?
What chance is there of ever getting rid of racism over there when even a player's own fans condone racism?
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This
posted on 4/9/19
Looks like I turned up late to the Winston show again.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 3 hours ago
If Scott Brown was being taunted repeatedly by large numbers of a crowd about the death of his sister, with the authorities doing nothing to stop them and his own teams supporters even trying to defend their actions by suggesting the opposition were simply trying to wind him up then people may have a point about the situation being comparable to Lukaku's. However they are very different.
He was abused by an individual whilst boarding a team bus. The subject of the abuse is simply disgusting and completely unacceptable from some lowlife cant. I've no doubt the comment was just as hurtful, certainly with the same spiteful intent, however it was ultimately the comment of an utter lowlife individual who you would hope will get what's coming to him and his words certainly wouldn't be condoned by those around him.
Now compare this to the racist abuse suffered by Lukaku. Imagine if Scott Brown was playing in front of an almost entirely black crowd and as one of the few white people in the entire stadium, he was subject to racist abuse by large members of the black crowd simply because he is white.
Now to give even more perspective, imagine Scott Browns family and children (who are also white) are at the game. How do you think he would feel, trying to play football whilst enduring a large number of black people hurl racist abuse at him simply because he was white, also in the knowledge that his family and children were in the crowd and could hear every word.
Furthermore, how do you think his family and children would feel? Watching and hearing the racist chants shouted from the crowd that are not only abusing him but are also abusing them. Simply because they are white.
Now put yourself in each of those players positions. Are people really suggesting that an individual tw@t making a comment about your deceased sister is worse then you and your family repeatedly being subject to racist abuse simply because of the colour of your skin?
To an extent you can probably shield your children from sick individual comments but how do you explain why you are being abused simply because of your skin? Also in the knowledge that unless things change, your children may well suffer the same abuse when they're older that you have had to endure. Not sure Scott Brown will lose too much sleep over his children being taunted about the death of their auntie when they grow up however for Lukaku the fear of his children suffering racist abuse is very real.
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Elvis, this comment should end the thread ^^^
Says it all
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Not for me Robb. I just think that the pain losing a sibling and the fact that anyone could mock that is more hurtful than someone abusing you because of the colour of your skin. I appreciate that you might disagree with that.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Dave (U11711)
posted 7 minutes ago
Winston and Elvis,
Any answers to Elvis' question in the OP?
What chance is there of ever getting rid of racism over there when even a player's own fans condone racism?
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No chance really.
It's things like this that make me wonder if we'll ever rid the world of racism.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Looks like I turned up late to the Winston show again.
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That's entirely unfair but sure, let's all blame Winston.
Sigh.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Oh and no, Elvis, it's not folly.
Unless you've suffered racism throughout your life, you're in absolutely no position to discuss how it feels in comparison to other forms of abuse.
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Winston, anyone can give an opinion on whether they would be most hurt by someone abusing them over their skin colour or the death of a loved one. Do you know why? Because it is their opinion - not yours.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Dave (U11711)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago
Just wow. The utter stupidity and ignorance of this. It’s actually confused me.
Is it possible to re-educate a nation?
Here are some things that happened in Italy last year:
Macerata shooting, Marche: On 3 February 2018, a 28-year-old Italian, Luca Traini, performed a terror attack by severely injuring six migrants from Sub-Saharan Africa in a drive-by shooting incident that was described as an act of revenge motivated by the Murder of Pamela Mastropietro. The suspect was later arrested while wearing the Flag of Italy draped over his shoulders near a WW2 memorial in Macerata.
Traini was described as a far-right political sympathizer who ran for the League and was reported to be supposedly acquainted with Mastropietro.
S.Calogero, Calabria. On 2 June - The evening of Saturday, June 2 - in San Calogero, in the province of Vibo Valentia - a 29-year-old trade unionist from Mali, Soumayla Sacko, died of a shot in the temple. The attack may have been actually ordered by the local mafia on the ground of the man's political activism.
Caserta, Campania, 11 June 2018. Two Malian men were attacked by a few people with air guns from a car and got shot. According to the victims, the aggressors were heard singing in praise the Interior minister Matteo Salvini.
Naples, Campania, 20 June 2018. Konate, a young Malian immigrant, was injured by a few people shooting him in the belly with a pellet gun while returning home after his work at a restaurant.
Forlì, Emilia-Romagna, 5 July 2018. An Ivorian man was injured by air gun shots from a running car.
Latina, Lazio, 11 July 2018. Two African migrants got shot at a bus stop, again from a running car.
Rome, Lazio, 17 July 2018. A Roma child was wounded after being shot with an air gun. Some days later, the shooter was found and justified himself on the score of “doing some training with the new gun, without intention of shooting anyone”.
Vicenza, Veneto, 26 July 2018. An Italian man shot a builder from Capo Verde who was working across the street. He justified himself stating that he was “just taking aim at a pigeon”
Partinico Sicily. A migrant from Senegal got beaten up by some Italian men that were yelling “Go back to your country, dirty nagger”.
Roseto, Abruzzo, 30 July 2018. An Italian-Senegalese man tried to renew his health card at a local hospital. An employee refused to offer him service and told him: “This is not a veterinary office”
Pistoia, Tuscany, 2 August 2018. An immigrant of unknown nationality was assaulted by two men that were shouting racist comments against him.
Falerna, Calabria, 14 August 2018. A Dominican citizen was assaulted and injured by a group of assailants that shouted racist comments against him. His Italian mother-in-law was also beaten.
Partinico, Sicily, 14 August 2018. Four Gambians and an Ivorian citizen were beaten and assaulted by several attackers for racist motives.
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Jebus H. Christ!
I dislike humans, so manys.
The vet comment really gets me sad.
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This is deeply sad and worrying.
And the fact that this was just one year's incidents.
And also are the gun laws more 'relaxed' in Italy?
Air guns may fall under a different category, but nonetheless still dangerous under bad intentions.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Oh and no, Elvis, it's not folly.
Unless you've suffered racism throughout your life, you're in absolutely no position to discuss how it feels in comparison to other forms of abuse.
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Winston, anyone can give an opinion on whether they would be most hurt by someone abusing them over their skin colour or the death of a loved one. Do you know why? Because it is their opinion - not yours.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And some opinions are significantly more credible than others.
A middle aged white man has no place telling a black man whether racism is easier or harder to deal with than other forms of abuse.
It's ignorant in the extreme but it goes on a great deal.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Take a boo (U21318)
posted 3 hours ago
If Scott Brown was being taunted repeatedly by large numbers of a crowd about the death of his sister, with the authorities doing nothing to stop them and his own teams supporters even trying to defend their actions by suggesting the opposition were simply trying to wind him up then people may have a point about the situation being comparable to Lukaku's. However they are very different.
He was abused by an individual whilst boarding a team bus. The subject of the abuse is simply disgusting and completely unacceptable from some lowlife cant. I've no doubt the comment was just as hurtful, certainly with the same spiteful intent, however it was ultimately the comment of an utter lowlife individual who you would hope will get what's coming to him and his words certainly wouldn't be condoned by those around him.
Now compare this to the racist abuse suffered by Lukaku. Imagine if Scott Brown was playing in front of an almost entirely black crowd and as one of the few white people in the entire stadium, he was subject to racist abuse by large members of the black crowd simply because he is white.
Now to give even more perspective, imagine Scott Browns family and children (who are also white) are at the game. How do you think he would feel, trying to play football whilst enduring a large number of black people hurl racist abuse at him simply because he was white, also in the knowledge that his family and children were in the crowd and could hear every word.
Furthermore, how do you think his family and children would feel? Watching and hearing the racist chants shouted from the crowd that are not only abusing him but are also abusing them. Simply because they are white.
Now put yourself in each of those players positions. Are people really suggesting that an individual tw@t making a comment about your deceased sister is worse then you and your family repeatedly being subject to racist abuse simply because of the colour of your skin?
To an extent you can probably shield your children from sick individual comments but how do you explain why you are being abused simply because of your skin? Also in the knowledge that unless things change, your children may well suffer the same abuse when they're older that you have had to endure. Not sure Scott Brown will lose too much sleep over his children being taunted about the death of their auntie when they grow up however for Lukaku the fear of his children suffering racist abuse is very real.
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Elvis, this comment should end the thread ^^^
Says it all
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No it doesn't...you must be really naive if you think it is one comment by one individual at a football match mocking deaths. I have heard it nuneeous times over the last few yrs at OT. I haven't personally heard any racist comments for yrs at OT and i certainly haven't heard any racist chanting for many many many yrs at OT
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
Oh and no, Elvis, it's not folly.
Unless you've suffered racism throughout your life, you're in absolutely no position to discuss how it feels in comparison to other forms of abuse.
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Winston, anyone can give an opinion on whether they would be most hurt by someone abusing them over their skin colour or the death of a loved one. Do you know why? Because it is their opinion - not yours.
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And some opinions are significantly more credible than others.
A middle aged white man has no place telling a black man whether racism is easier or harder to deal with than other forms of abuse.
It's ignorant in the extreme but it goes on a great deal.
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Firstly, can middle aged white men not be subjected to racial abuse?
Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about. Because it is their personal opinion.
I mean, United Kaz has shown already that he doesn't agree with your opinion based on his personal experiences. And I have disagreed with you based on mine.
posted on 4/9/19
Elvis (U7425)
Are you for real?
"Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about"
Let me make this very clear for you.
A white man living in the UK has absolutely no place in telling a black man about the extent to which racial abuse is upsetting, in comparison with other forms of abuse.
If you cannot accept that then you're extremely ignorant and not someone I wish to discuss this with any further.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to tell you'd based on sheer ignorance.
I also will remind you that you completely misinterpreted my initial point and can't admit your error, which does suggest you'd rather argue and can never admit you're wrong - making the debate even more pointless.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
Elvis (U7425)
Are you for real?
"Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about"
Let me make this very clear for you.
A white man living in the UK has absolutely no place in telling a black man about the extent to which racial abuse is upsetting, in comparison with other forms of abuse.
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What about a white man living in the UK, that has previously lived in Central Vietnam where he has been subjected to racial abuse?
posted on 4/9/19
I don’t get why people have to always bring up comparatives - in terms of severity - when discussing racial abuse. It’s not really relevant.
posted on 4/9/19
Uh oh...winstons climbed onto his rather tall horse...
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
Elvis (U7425)
Are you for real?
"Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about"
Let me make this very clear for you.
A white man living in the UK has absolutely no place in telling a black man about the extent to which racial abuse is upsetting, in comparison with other forms of abuse.
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What about a white man living in the UK, that has previously lived in Central Vietnam where he has been subjected to racial abuse?
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Well, if any white man wants to outline why they understand what it's like to live through a lifetime of racial prejudice, then of course the credibility of the opinion changes.
But I don't think that's the case here, is it?
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Uh oh...winstons climbed onto his rather tall horse...
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Oh fack off.
This is a serious subject and if you're going to behave like a child then just stop.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t get why people have to always bring up comparatives - in terms of severity - when discussing racial abuse. It’s not really relevant.
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Exactly my original point.
It's stupid, it's ignorant and it's typical of people who subconsciously like to play down the effects of racism and liken it to name calling.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
Elvis (U7425)
Are you for real?
"Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about"
Let me make this very clear for you.
A white man living in the UK has absolutely no place in telling a black man about the extent to which racial abuse is upsetting, in comparison with other forms of abuse.
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What about a white man living in the UK, that has previously lived in Central Vietnam where he has been subjected to racial abuse?
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Well, if any white man wants to outline why they understand what it's like to live through a lifetime of racial prejudice, then of course the credibility of the opinion changes.
But I don't think that's the case here, is it?
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Not a lifetime no, but a sustained period. Didn't bother me. Just thought the locals were ignorant. But if anyone mocked me over the death of a loved one, I'd be absolutely seething.
posted on 4/9/19
A middle aged white man has no place telling a black man whether racism is easier or harder to deal with than other forms of abuse.
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The reverse is equally the same.
posted on 4/9/19
Elvis (U7425)
Well it's different, isn't it?
That's why I said it's absurd to rank one as worse than the other.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 51 seconds ago
Elvis (U7425)
Are you for real?
"Secondly, no-one's opinion is more valid than anyone else's when discussing what they would personally be more upset about"
Let me make this very clear for you.
A white man living in the UK has absolutely no place in telling a black man about the extent to which racial abuse is upsetting, in comparison with other forms of abuse.
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What about a white man living in the UK, that has previously lived in Central Vietnam where he has been subjected to racial abuse?
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Racial abuse or bad memories of the atrocities of the Vietnam war? They still hold bad blood towards westerners as a result.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t get why people have to always bring up comparatives - in terms of severity - when discussing racial abuse. It’s not really relevant.
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Exactly my original point.
It's stupid, it's ignorant and it's typical of people who subconsciously like to play down the effects of racism and liken it to name calling.
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Just saw it was Manc Python that first brought it up, which is no surprise.
posted on 4/9/19
so what im getting from that is they dont actually care about the skin colour, but they will bring it up knowing it'll put them off their game
hmm
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t get why people have to always bring up comparatives - in terms of severity - when discussing racial abuse. It’s not really relevant.
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Exactly my original point.
It's stupid, it's ignorant and it's typical of people who subconsciously like to play down the effects of racism and liken it to name calling.
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Just saw it was Manc Python that first brought it up, which is no surprise.
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Completely missing the whole point which doesn't surprise me due to the complete fister that you are
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