If you weren't wanting Poch out a week ago then might it be said that you're being a bit reactionary?
We've had a bad week and there's clearly issues there but now you want to sack Poch and rebuild the team.
So...get rid of the manager AND the players. And you also want the Chairman out. So a new chairman to sign a new manager who will sign new players.
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 5 minutes ago
If you weren't wanting Poch out a week ago then might it be said that you're being a bit reactionary?
We've had a bad week and there's clearly issues there but now you want to sack Poch and rebuild the team.
So...get rid of the manager AND the players. And you also want the Chairman out. So a new chairman to sign a new manager who will sign new players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep in my ideal world I would love a rich Arab to takeover and propel us to success. I can’t stand Levy or ENIC, but unfortunately that isn’t going to happen js it? So to get out of this mess, we need to a fresh new approach as the current regime ( Pochettino ) don’t want to be here. It’s not really reactionary because I have been getting a bit fed up of Poch all summer. What put the final nail in the coffin for me was the Brighton game. That’s when I knew this can’t be salvaged and the damage has been done.
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 8 minutes ago
If you weren't wanting Poch out a week ago then might it be said that you're being a bit reactionary?
We've had a bad week and there's clearly issues there but now you want to sack Poch and rebuild the team.
So...get rid of the manager AND the players. And you also want the Chairman out. So a new chairman to sign a new manager who will sign new players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That could work!
Do I want Pochettino to turn it around? Yes of course I do. Do I think he will ? No, unfortunately not.
Well I think we all agree on the first question.
I think the answer to the second question depends alot on Daniel Levy / transfers.
Defensively - these players are not completely committed to the club and have looked to run down contracts or make a move the last couple of transfer windows:
Aurier--- Alderweireld---Vertonghen---Rose
Our options after these. Are the following players:
KWP---Sanchez---Foyth---Tanganga---Davies
Assuming the first four leave in the summer. What do people realistically think a new manager will do with the five players above?
unfortunately i agree i dont think Poch can turn it around due to the structure of the club. Im desperate for Poch to stay and the club to back him as necessary but it isnt their way. We will slide down and maybe come up in another 5/6 years
comment by Phe'ndombele (U20037)
posted 52 seconds ago
unfortunately i agree i dont think Poch can turn it around due to the structure of the club. Im desperate for Poch to stay and the club to back him as necessary but it isnt their way. We will slide down and maybe come up in another 5/6 years
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Lather, rinse, repeat. The same cycle and the same conversations as we are having today. Again and again.
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
completely new defence and defensive mids
Dealing simply in fact and not fan speculation. If levy wants to sack Poch then he's fully justified given our form in 2019 and our inability to win a big game and deliver a trophy (CL final vs Pool, FA cup semi vs United, LC semi vs Chelsea and chasing leicester down for the league. Whether it's the right move and whether Levy wants to pay the money none of us know but pointing out he's the best manager in a generation when we've won nothing is totally defeatest and typical of Spurs fans who celebrate mediocrity. It's clearly not all his fault and Levy has made it as hard as anyone could imagine for him. He's done a fine job in the circumstances but there are expectations to be met and TODAY he's failing, he will be fall guy whether we like it or not because that's what he's paid to be !
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 34 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"were".... living in the past mate
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 52 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He is damned if he plays our unmotivated, uninterested players who want to leave.
And he is damned if he plays our inexperienced, not as solid and reliable players.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 34 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"were".... living in the past mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What? That comment is forward looking!
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
Dealing simply in fact and not fan speculation. If levy wants to sack Poch then he's fully justified given our form in 2019 and our inability to win a big game and deliver a trophy (CL final vs Pool, FA cup semi vs United, LC semi vs Chelsea and chasing leicester down for the league. Whether it's the right move and whether Levy wants to pay the money none of us know but pointing out he's the best manager in a generation when we've won nothing is totally defeatest and typical of Spurs fans who celebrate mediocrity. It's clearly not all his fault and Levy has made it as hard as anyone could imagine for him. He's done a fine job in the circumstances but there are expectations to be met and TODAY he's failing, he will be fall guy whether we like it or not because that's what he's paid to be !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your thoughts are an absolute mess! You don't even know what you're talking about with your contradictory statements and short term reactionary responses.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 34 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"were".... living in the past mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah. were..
btw... I'm in favour of moving this lot on.. just not in one window.. that's too much change..
if we can shift some this jan and some more in summer, and REPLACE PROPERLY.. then that's fine
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 34 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"were".... living in the past mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
80% of that lot should have been sold this summer if not before... there's the problem... that's on Levy & Poch
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 34 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"were".... living in the past mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
80% of that lot should have been sold this summer if not before... there's the problem... that's on Levy & Poch
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So Pochettino decided he doesn't want to spend big on quality replacements?
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
Dealing simply in fact and not fan speculation. If levy wants to sack Poch then he's fully justified given our form in 2019 and our inability to win a big game and deliver a trophy (CL final vs Pool, FA cup semi vs United, LC semi vs Chelsea and chasing leicester down for the league. Whether it's the right move and whether Levy wants to pay the money none of us know but pointing out he's the best manager in a generation when we've won nothing is totally defeatest and typical of Spurs fans who celebrate mediocrity. It's clearly not all his fault and Levy has made it as hard as anyone could imagine for him. He's done a fine job in the circumstances but there are expectations to be met and TODAY he's failing, he will be fall guy whether we like it or not because that's what he's paid to be !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your thoughts are an absolute mess! You don't even know what you're talking about with your contradictory statements and short term reactionary responses.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can think what you like mate but given where we find ourselves today i think my view on Spurs looks a lot more accurate than some rose tinted view of everything Poch/spurs that's about 12 months outdated. We all enjoyed the CL run but it's gone.... move on
So
Lloris, Rose, Toby, Verts, Eriksen - replacements needed
Wanyama, Aurier, Dier, Lamela - upgrades needed
Kane - BACK UP NEEDED FOR 50000TH TRF WINDOW IN THE ROW
Needing to sell close to 10 players and bring a similar amount in is near on impossible to get right at the best of times. In a market where we cant compete with wages and transfer fees and our scouting is facking dogshat, im afraid gentleman, for the next few years, we are facked. Love Thursday night footy anyway tbh
Lloris, Rose, Toby, Verts, Eriksen - replacements needed
Wanyama, Aurier, Dier, Lamela - upgrades needed
-------------
presumably you are referring to them in their prime... current day toby and jan for example are definitely needing to be upgraded !
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 second ago
Lloris, Rose, Toby, Verts, Eriksen - replacements needed
Wanyama, Aurier, Dier, Lamela - upgrades needed
-------------
presumably you are referring to them in their prime... current day toby and jan for example are definitely needing to be upgraded !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
obviously. these are players who could easily move elsewhere and impress. And were incremental to our rise under poch, the main issue is these guys not performing for the team now so we are back to how we were or even worse.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
Dealing simply in fact and not fan speculation. If levy wants to sack Poch then he's fully justified given our form in 2019 and our inability to win a big game and deliver a trophy (CL final vs Pool, FA cup semi vs United, LC semi vs Chelsea and chasing leicester down for the league. Whether it's the right move and whether Levy wants to pay the money none of us know but pointing out he's the best manager in a generation when we've won nothing is totally defeatest and typical of Spurs fans who celebrate mediocrity. It's clearly not all his fault and Levy has made it as hard as anyone could imagine for him. He's done a fine job in the circumstances but there are expectations to be met and TODAY he's failing, he will be fall guy whether we like it or not because that's what he's paid to be !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your thoughts are an absolute mess! You don't even know what you're talking about with your contradictory statements and short term reactionary responses.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can think what you like mate but given where we find ourselves today i think my view on Spurs looks a lot more accurate than some rose tinted view of everything Poch/spurs that's about 12 months outdated. We all enjoyed the CL run but it's gone.... move on
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're just getting emotional and talking nonsense. How is your view more accurate when you're refusing to look into the detail and understand what is fundamentally going wrong and causing this?
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posted on 9/10/19
If you weren't wanting Poch out a week ago then might it be said that you're being a bit reactionary?
We've had a bad week and there's clearly issues there but now you want to sack Poch and rebuild the team.
So...get rid of the manager AND the players. And you also want the Chairman out. So a new chairman to sign a new manager who will sign new players.
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 5 minutes ago
If you weren't wanting Poch out a week ago then might it be said that you're being a bit reactionary?
We've had a bad week and there's clearly issues there but now you want to sack Poch and rebuild the team.
So...get rid of the manager AND the players. And you also want the Chairman out. So a new chairman to sign a new manager who will sign new players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep in my ideal world I would love a rich Arab to takeover and propel us to success. I can’t stand Levy or ENIC, but unfortunately that isn’t going to happen js it? So to get out of this mess, we need to a fresh new approach as the current regime ( Pochettino ) don’t want to be here. It’s not really reactionary because I have been getting a bit fed up of Poch all summer. What put the final nail in the coffin for me was the Brighton game. That’s when I knew this can’t be salvaged and the damage has been done.
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 8 minutes ago
If you weren't wanting Poch out a week ago then might it be said that you're being a bit reactionary?
We've had a bad week and there's clearly issues there but now you want to sack Poch and rebuild the team.
So...get rid of the manager AND the players. And you also want the Chairman out. So a new chairman to sign a new manager who will sign new players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That could work!
posted on 9/10/19
Do I want Pochettino to turn it around? Yes of course I do. Do I think he will ? No, unfortunately not.
posted on 9/10/19
Well I think we all agree on the first question.
I think the answer to the second question depends alot on Daniel Levy / transfers.
posted on 9/10/19
Defensively - these players are not completely committed to the club and have looked to run down contracts or make a move the last couple of transfer windows:
Aurier--- Alderweireld---Vertonghen---Rose
Our options after these. Are the following players:
KWP---Sanchez---Foyth---Tanganga---Davies
Assuming the first four leave in the summer. What do people realistically think a new manager will do with the five players above?
posted on 9/10/19
unfortunately i agree i dont think Poch can turn it around due to the structure of the club. Im desperate for Poch to stay and the club to back him as necessary but it isnt their way. We will slide down and maybe come up in another 5/6 years
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Phe'ndombele (U20037)
posted 52 seconds ago
unfortunately i agree i dont think Poch can turn it around due to the structure of the club. Im desperate for Poch to stay and the club to back him as necessary but it isnt their way. We will slide down and maybe come up in another 5/6 years
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lather, rinse, repeat. The same cycle and the same conversations as we are having today. Again and again.
posted on 9/10/19
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
posted on 9/10/19
completely new defence and defensive mids
posted on 9/10/19
Dealing simply in fact and not fan speculation. If levy wants to sack Poch then he's fully justified given our form in 2019 and our inability to win a big game and deliver a trophy (CL final vs Pool, FA cup semi vs United, LC semi vs Chelsea and chasing leicester down for the league. Whether it's the right move and whether Levy wants to pay the money none of us know but pointing out he's the best manager in a generation when we've won nothing is totally defeatest and typical of Spurs fans who celebrate mediocrity. It's clearly not all his fault and Levy has made it as hard as anyone could imagine for him. He's done a fine job in the circumstances but there are expectations to be met and TODAY he's failing, he will be fall guy whether we like it or not because that's what he's paid to be !
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 34 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"were".... living in the past mate
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 52 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He is damned if he plays our unmotivated, uninterested players who want to leave.
And he is damned if he plays our inexperienced, not as solid and reliable players.
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 34 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"were".... living in the past mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What? That comment is forward looking!
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
Dealing simply in fact and not fan speculation. If levy wants to sack Poch then he's fully justified given our form in 2019 and our inability to win a big game and deliver a trophy (CL final vs Pool, FA cup semi vs United, LC semi vs Chelsea and chasing leicester down for the league. Whether it's the right move and whether Levy wants to pay the money none of us know but pointing out he's the best manager in a generation when we've won nothing is totally defeatest and typical of Spurs fans who celebrate mediocrity. It's clearly not all his fault and Levy has made it as hard as anyone could imagine for him. He's done a fine job in the circumstances but there are expectations to be met and TODAY he's failing, he will be fall guy whether we like it or not because that's what he's paid to be !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your thoughts are an absolute mess! You don't even know what you're talking about with your contradictory statements and short term reactionary responses.
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 34 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"were".... living in the past mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah. were..
btw... I'm in favour of moving this lot on.. just not in one window.. that's too much change..
if we can shift some this jan and some more in summer, and REPLACE PROPERLY.. then that's fine
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 34 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"were".... living in the past mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
80% of that lot should have been sold this summer if not before... there's the problem... that's on Levy & Poch
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 34 seconds ago
the reality is that the following are unlikely to be at spurs next season.
----------------------Lloris---------------
--Aurier------Toby----------Dier------------Verts--------
-KWP--------Wanyama-----Eriksen-------Rose------
lots of these are the foundation of our really good poch era
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"were".... living in the past mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
80% of that lot should have been sold this summer if not before... there's the problem... that's on Levy & Poch
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So Pochettino decided he doesn't want to spend big on quality replacements?
posted on 9/10/19
Lloris needs to go.
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
Dealing simply in fact and not fan speculation. If levy wants to sack Poch then he's fully justified given our form in 2019 and our inability to win a big game and deliver a trophy (CL final vs Pool, FA cup semi vs United, LC semi vs Chelsea and chasing leicester down for the league. Whether it's the right move and whether Levy wants to pay the money none of us know but pointing out he's the best manager in a generation when we've won nothing is totally defeatest and typical of Spurs fans who celebrate mediocrity. It's clearly not all his fault and Levy has made it as hard as anyone could imagine for him. He's done a fine job in the circumstances but there are expectations to be met and TODAY he's failing, he will be fall guy whether we like it or not because that's what he's paid to be !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your thoughts are an absolute mess! You don't even know what you're talking about with your contradictory statements and short term reactionary responses.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can think what you like mate but given where we find ourselves today i think my view on Spurs looks a lot more accurate than some rose tinted view of everything Poch/spurs that's about 12 months outdated. We all enjoyed the CL run but it's gone.... move on
posted on 9/10/19
So
Lloris, Rose, Toby, Verts, Eriksen - replacements needed
Wanyama, Aurier, Dier, Lamela - upgrades needed
Kane - BACK UP NEEDED FOR 50000TH TRF WINDOW IN THE ROW
posted on 9/10/19
Needing to sell close to 10 players and bring a similar amount in is near on impossible to get right at the best of times. In a market where we cant compete with wages and transfer fees and our scouting is facking dogshat, im afraid gentleman, for the next few years, we are facked. Love Thursday night footy anyway tbh
posted on 9/10/19
Lloris, Rose, Toby, Verts, Eriksen - replacements needed
Wanyama, Aurier, Dier, Lamela - upgrades needed
-------------
presumably you are referring to them in their prime... current day toby and jan for example are definitely needing to be upgraded !
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 second ago
Lloris, Rose, Toby, Verts, Eriksen - replacements needed
Wanyama, Aurier, Dier, Lamela - upgrades needed
-------------
presumably you are referring to them in their prime... current day toby and jan for example are definitely needing to be upgraded !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
obviously. these are players who could easily move elsewhere and impress. And were incremental to our rise under poch, the main issue is these guys not performing for the team now so we are back to how we were or even worse.
posted on 9/10/19
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
Dealing simply in fact and not fan speculation. If levy wants to sack Poch then he's fully justified given our form in 2019 and our inability to win a big game and deliver a trophy (CL final vs Pool, FA cup semi vs United, LC semi vs Chelsea and chasing leicester down for the league. Whether it's the right move and whether Levy wants to pay the money none of us know but pointing out he's the best manager in a generation when we've won nothing is totally defeatest and typical of Spurs fans who celebrate mediocrity. It's clearly not all his fault and Levy has made it as hard as anyone could imagine for him. He's done a fine job in the circumstances but there are expectations to be met and TODAY he's failing, he will be fall guy whether we like it or not because that's what he's paid to be !
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your thoughts are an absolute mess! You don't even know what you're talking about with your contradictory statements and short term reactionary responses.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can think what you like mate but given where we find ourselves today i think my view on Spurs looks a lot more accurate than some rose tinted view of everything Poch/spurs that's about 12 months outdated. We all enjoyed the CL run but it's gone.... move on
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're just getting emotional and talking nonsense. How is your view more accurate when you're refusing to look into the detail and understand what is fundamentally going wrong and causing this?
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