DDG, RVP and Carrick are the only ones who I think would definitely get in from United. Any others are debatable.
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 57 minutes ago
2013 Evra was on his last legs for the PL. Same could be said about RVP and Rooney.
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RVP on his last legs? That was probably his best ever season! 38 appearances in the PL, 26 goals and 9 assists. He was amazing that season. You do talk some utter tripe.
Fvck that.
Salahs numbers the last four years are better than anything Giggs posted.
I get it, Giggs was class for many years, but his numbers are nowhere near what Salah's posted.
I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
How is VVD in above Vidic and Rio? He’s had two great seasons and he’s 28.
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Because neither were very good in 2013.
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Rio did well getting into the team of the year then.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 57 minutes ago
2013 Evra was on his last legs for the PL. Same could be said about RVP and Rooney.
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RVP on his last legs? That was probably his best ever season! 38 appearances in the PL, 26 goals and 9 assists. He was amazing that season. You do talk some utter tripe.
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Tbf he’s not really wrong
After that RVP was quickly on the downward slope and all the injuries before caught up with him.
Lowest of the low.
Amazing he got away with so little flack
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
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Poor what he did. Really poor. But nothing to so with his ability as a footballer.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
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Poor what he did. Really poor. But nothing to so with his ability as a footballer.
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Agree on one level but certainly impacts the respect he deserves, which imo is none.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
How is VVD in above Vidic and Rio? He’s had two great seasons and he’s 28.
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Because neither were very good in 2013.
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Rio did well getting into the team of the year then.
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Id say so yeah
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 57 minutes ago
2013 Evra was on his last legs for the PL. Same could be said about RVP and Rooney.
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RVP on his last legs? That was probably his best ever season! 38 appearances in the PL, 26 goals and 9 assists. He was amazing that season. You do talk some utter tripe.
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Tbf he’s not really wrong
After that RVP was quickly on the downward slope and all the injuries before caught up with him.
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Yes, he was on his last legs in the 12/13 season in which he had his best ever season and was voted into the team of the year.
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 3 minutes ago
Lowest of the low.
Amazing he got away with so little flack
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In the real world it was tabloid fodder for weeks.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Fvck that.
Salahs numbers the last four years are better than anything Giggs posted.
I get it, Giggs was class for many years, but his numbers are nowhere near what Salah's posted.
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Pogbas numbers are better than any midfielder in the top 3 leagues, would you choose another midfielder over him though?
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
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Poor what he did. Really poor. But nothing to so with his ability as a footballer.
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Agree on one level but certainly impacts the respect he deserves, which imo is none.
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Only if you aren't able to separate the sport from a player's personal life.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
How is VVD in above Vidic and Rio? He’s had two great seasons and he’s 28.
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Because neither were very good in 2013.
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Rio did well getting into the team of the year then.
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Id say so yeah
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They were a consistent pairing a title winning team, of course they were very good. Not the best in the world at that time but very good? Yes!
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
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Milner
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De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
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Rafael
So good he was sold and faded into obscurity.
As for 3 months De Gea was hopeless for all of last season and forever chucks them in when he keeps goal for Spain.
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yeah Rafael has faded into obscurity only playing 115 gmaes in 4 seasons for Lyon
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Lyon what have they done? Nothing.
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runners up in the french league behind PSG on a regular basis, runners up in the league cup a couple of times, Europa leage semi finalists... feck all really
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
-----------------------
Poor what he did. Really poor. But nothing to so with his ability as a footballer.
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Agree on one level but certainly impacts the respect he deserves, which imo is none.
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Only if you aren't able to separate the sport from a player's personal life.
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Bad people can do good things. I find you can get into some troubling positions if you compartmentalise like that. If you view Giggs holistically he's an absolute piece of schit
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 57 minutes ago
2013 Evra was on his last legs for the PL. Same could be said about RVP and Rooney.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
RVP on his last legs? That was probably his best ever season! 38 appearances in the PL, 26 goals and 9 assists. He was amazing that season. You do talk some utter tripe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbf he’s not really wrong
After that RVP was quickly on the downward slope and all the injuries before caught up with him.
----------------------------------------
Yes, he was on his last legs in the 12/13 season in which he had his best ever season and was voted into the team of the year.
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His best season was the season before that with Arsenal.
Why does Giggs' off field behaviour affect his ability as a footballer? Gerrard attacked that DJ and it doesn't diminish what he did as a footballer for me. Jan Molby went to prison for three months for dangerous driving too. Giggs didn't break the law however sneaky and underhand his behaviour was.
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
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Milner
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De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
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Rafael
So good he was sold and faded into obscurity.
As for 3 months De Gea was hopeless for all of last season and forever chucks them in when he keeps goal for Spain.
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yeah Rafael has faded into obscurity only playing 115 gmaes in 4 seasons for Lyon
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Lyon what have they done? Nothing.
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runners up in the french league behind PSG on a regular basis, runners up in the league cup a couple of times, Europa leage semi finalists... feck all really
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No medals and a runner up once in 4 years.
All the big teams must have been in for him and i've missed it.
Lets be honest it's complete nonsense to suggest he was better than TAA. He done a job at United but he was one of the poorer players in that team and did he ever with a CL with a quick corner?
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
-----------------------
Poor what he did. Really poor. But nothing to so with his ability as a footballer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree on one level but certainly impacts the respect he deserves, which imo is none.
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Only if you aren't able to separate the sport from a player's personal life.
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Bad people can do good things. I find you can get into some troubling positions if you compartmentalise like that. If you view Giggs holistically he's an absolute piece of schit
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No denying that on a personal level. But I don't really concern myself with a player's personal life when the discussion is about their footballing ability.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Milner
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De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rafael
So good he was sold and faded into obscurity.
As for 3 months De Gea was hopeless for all of last season and forever chucks them in when he keeps goal for Spain.
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yeah Rafael has faded into obscurity only playing 115 gmaes in 4 seasons for Lyon
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Lyon what have they done? Nothing.
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runners up in the french league behind PSG on a regular basis, runners up in the league cup a couple of times, Europa leage semi finalists... feck all really
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No medals and a runner up once in 4 years.
All the big teams must have been in for him and i've missed it.
Lets be honest it's complete nonsense to suggest he was better than TAA. He done a job at United but he was one of the poorer players in that team and did he ever with a CL with a quick corner?
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No medals?
Your team has one trophy since 2012 and that was a league cup. How can this be used as a criticism?
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Milner
----------------------------------------------------------------------
De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rafael
So good he was sold and faded into obscurity.
As for 3 months De Gea was hopeless for all of last season and forever chucks them in when he keeps goal for Spain.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah Rafael has faded into obscurity only playing 115 gmaes in 4 seasons for Lyon
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Lyon what have they done? Nothing.
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runners up in the french league behind PSG on a regular basis, runners up in the league cup a couple of times, Europa leage semi finalists... feck all really
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No medals and a runner up once in 4 years.
All the big teams must have been in for him and i've missed it.
Lets be honest it's complete nonsense to suggest he was better than TAA. He done a job at United but he was one of the poorer players in that team and did he ever with a CL with a quick corner?
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No medals?
Your team has one trophy since 2012 and that was a league cup. How can this be used as a criticism?
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Yes no medals.
And which team would that be because my team haven't won a league cup since 2012 although i'm not sure the relevance of my team to a debate about TAA and Rafael.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Milner
----------------------------------------------------------------------
De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
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DDG is certainly not what he once was. That cannot be denied.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Milner
----------------------------------------------------------------------
De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rafael
So good he was sold and faded into obscurity.
As for 3 months De Gea was hopeless for all of last season and forever chucks them in when he keeps goal for Spain.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah Rafael has faded into obscurity only playing 115 gmaes in 4 seasons for Lyon
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Lyon what have they done? Nothing.
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runners up in the french league behind PSG on a regular basis, runners up in the league cup a couple of times, Europa leage semi finalists... feck all really
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No medals and a runner up once in 4 years.
All the big teams must have been in for him and i've missed it.
Lets be honest it's complete nonsense to suggest he was better than TAA. He done a job at United but he was one of the poorer players in that team and did he ever with a CL with a quick corner?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No medals?
Your team has one trophy since 2012 and that was a league cup. How can this be used as a criticism?
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Yes no medals.
And which team would that be because my team haven't won a league cup since 2012although i'm not sure the relevance of my team to a debate about TAA and Rafael.
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Well if you’re not a Liverpool fan that your argument maybe even less relevant because you wouldn’t have seen either play as much as others who watched them week in week out.
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posted on 18/10/19
DDG, RVP and Carrick are the only ones who I think would definitely get in from United. Any others are debatable.
posted on 18/10/19
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 57 minutes ago
2013 Evra was on his last legs for the PL. Same could be said about RVP and Rooney.
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RVP on his last legs? That was probably his best ever season! 38 appearances in the PL, 26 goals and 9 assists. He was amazing that season. You do talk some utter tripe.
posted on 18/10/19
Fvck that.
Salahs numbers the last four years are better than anything Giggs posted.
I get it, Giggs was class for many years, but his numbers are nowhere near what Salah's posted.
posted on 18/10/19
I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
How is VVD in above Vidic and Rio? He’s had two great seasons and he’s 28.
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Because neither were very good in 2013.
-------------
Rio did well getting into the team of the year then.
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 57 minutes ago
2013 Evra was on his last legs for the PL. Same could be said about RVP and Rooney.
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RVP on his last legs? That was probably his best ever season! 38 appearances in the PL, 26 goals and 9 assists. He was amazing that season. You do talk some utter tripe.
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Tbf he’s not really wrong
After that RVP was quickly on the downward slope and all the injuries before caught up with him.
posted on 18/10/19
Lowest of the low.
Amazing he got away with so little flack
posted on 18/10/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
-----------------------
Poor what he did. Really poor. But nothing to so with his ability as a footballer.
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
-----------------------
Poor what he did. Really poor. But nothing to so with his ability as a footballer.
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Agree on one level but certainly impacts the respect he deserves, which imo is none.
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
How is VVD in above Vidic and Rio? He’s had two great seasons and he’s 28.
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Because neither were very good in 2013.
-------------
Rio did well getting into the team of the year then.
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Id say so yeah
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 57 minutes ago
2013 Evra was on his last legs for the PL. Same could be said about RVP and Rooney.
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RVP on his last legs? That was probably his best ever season! 38 appearances in the PL, 26 goals and 9 assists. He was amazing that season. You do talk some utter tripe.
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Tbf he’s not really wrong
After that RVP was quickly on the downward slope and all the injuries before caught up with him.
----------------------------------------
Yes, he was on his last legs in the 12/13 season in which he had his best ever season and was voted into the team of the year.
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 3 minutes ago
Lowest of the low.
Amazing he got away with so little flack
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In the real world it was tabloid fodder for weeks.
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Fvck that.
Salahs numbers the last four years are better than anything Giggs posted.
I get it, Giggs was class for many years, but his numbers are nowhere near what Salah's posted.
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Pogbas numbers are better than any midfielder in the top 3 leagues, would you choose another midfielder over him though?
posted on 18/10/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
-----------------------
Poor what he did. Really poor. But nothing to so with his ability as a footballer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree on one level but certainly impacts the respect he deserves, which imo is none.
---------------------
Only if you aren't able to separate the sport from a player's personal life.
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 17 minutes ago
How is VVD in above Vidic and Rio? He’s had two great seasons and he’s 28.
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Because neither were very good in 2013.
-------------
Rio did well getting into the team of the year then.
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Id say so yeah
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They were a consistent pairing a title winning team, of course they were very good. Not the best in the world at that time but very good? Yes!
posted on 18/10/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Milner
----------------------------------------------------------------------
De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rafael
So good he was sold and faded into obscurity.
As for 3 months De Gea was hopeless for all of last season and forever chucks them in when he keeps goal for Spain.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah Rafael has faded into obscurity only playing 115 gmaes in 4 seasons for Lyon
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Lyon what have they done? Nothing.
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runners up in the french league behind PSG on a regular basis, runners up in the league cup a couple of times, Europa leage semi finalists... feck all really
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
-----------------------
Poor what he did. Really poor. But nothing to so with his ability as a footballer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree on one level but certainly impacts the respect he deserves, which imo is none.
---------------------
Only if you aren't able to separate the sport from a player's personal life.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bad people can do good things. I find you can get into some troubling positions if you compartmentalise like that. If you view Giggs holistically he's an absolute piece of schit
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb : Time for a change (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 57 minutes ago
2013 Evra was on his last legs for the PL. Same could be said about RVP and Rooney.
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RVP on his last legs? That was probably his best ever season! 38 appearances in the PL, 26 goals and 9 assists. He was amazing that season. You do talk some utter tripe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbf he’s not really wrong
After that RVP was quickly on the downward slope and all the injuries before caught up with him.
----------------------------------------
Yes, he was on his last legs in the 12/13 season in which he had his best ever season and was voted into the team of the year.
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His best season was the season before that with Arsenal.
posted on 18/10/19
Why does Giggs' off field behaviour affect his ability as a footballer? Gerrard attacked that DJ and it doesn't diminish what he did as a footballer for me. Jan Molby went to prison for three months for dangerous driving too. Giggs didn't break the law however sneaky and underhand his behaviour was.
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Milner
----------------------------------------------------------------------
De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rafael
So good he was sold and faded into obscurity.
As for 3 months De Gea was hopeless for all of last season and forever chucks them in when he keeps goal for Spain.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah Rafael has faded into obscurity only playing 115 gmaes in 4 seasons for Lyon
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Lyon what have they done? Nothing.
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runners up in the french league behind PSG on a regular basis, runners up in the league cup a couple of times, Europa leage semi finalists... feck all really
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No medals and a runner up once in 4 years.
All the big teams must have been in for him and i've missed it.
Lets be honest it's complete nonsense to suggest he was better than TAA. He done a job at United but he was one of the poorer players in that team and did he ever with a CL with a quick corner?
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I find it hard to respect Giggs undoubted talent and fantastic career after what he did to his brother.
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Poor what he did. Really poor. But nothing to so with his ability as a footballer.
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Agree on one level but certainly impacts the respect he deserves, which imo is none.
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Only if you aren't able to separate the sport from a player's personal life.
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Bad people can do good things. I find you can get into some troubling positions if you compartmentalise like that. If you view Giggs holistically he's an absolute piece of schit
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No denying that on a personal level. But I don't really concern myself with a player's personal life when the discussion is about their footballing ability.
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Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
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Milner
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De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
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Rafael
So good he was sold and faded into obscurity.
As for 3 months De Gea was hopeless for all of last season and forever chucks them in when he keeps goal for Spain.
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yeah Rafael has faded into obscurity only playing 115 gmaes in 4 seasons for Lyon
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Lyon what have they done? Nothing.
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runners up in the french league behind PSG on a regular basis, runners up in the league cup a couple of times, Europa leage semi finalists... feck all really
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No medals and a runner up once in 4 years.
All the big teams must have been in for him and i've missed it.
Lets be honest it's complete nonsense to suggest he was better than TAA. He done a job at United but he was one of the poorer players in that team and did he ever with a CL with a quick corner?
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No medals?
Your team has one trophy since 2012 and that was a league cup. How can this be used as a criticism?
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
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Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
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Milner
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De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
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Rafael
So good he was sold and faded into obscurity.
As for 3 months De Gea was hopeless for all of last season and forever chucks them in when he keeps goal for Spain.
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yeah Rafael has faded into obscurity only playing 115 gmaes in 4 seasons for Lyon
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Lyon what have they done? Nothing.
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runners up in the french league behind PSG on a regular basis, runners up in the league cup a couple of times, Europa leage semi finalists... feck all really
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No medals and a runner up once in 4 years.
All the big teams must have been in for him and i've missed it.
Lets be honest it's complete nonsense to suggest he was better than TAA. He done a job at United but he was one of the poorer players in that team and did he ever with a CL with a quick corner?
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No medals?
Your team has one trophy since 2012 and that was a league cup. How can this be used as a criticism?
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Yes no medals.
And which team would that be because my team haven't won a league cup since 2012 although i'm not sure the relevance of my team to a debate about TAA and Rafael.
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
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Milner
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De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
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DDG is certainly not what he once was. That cannot be denied.
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona đđź đľđ¸ (U18082)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Robertson with ease over Evra.
2013 De Gea was superb, a shell of that now though.
GK De Gea
LB Robertson
CB Van Dijk
CB Vidic
RB Alexander-Arnold
MF Milner
MF Scholes
MF Fabinho
FW Mane
FW RVP
FW Salah
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Milner
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De Gea a shell of what he was after 3 months of bad form đ
Milner đ
Rafael was a far better rounded full back than TAA as well who has been roasted by many wingers.
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Rafael
So good he was sold and faded into obscurity.
As for 3 months De Gea was hopeless for all of last season and forever chucks them in when he keeps goal for Spain.
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yeah Rafael has faded into obscurity only playing 115 gmaes in 4 seasons for Lyon
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Lyon what have they done? Nothing.
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runners up in the french league behind PSG on a regular basis, runners up in the league cup a couple of times, Europa leage semi finalists... feck all really
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No medals and a runner up once in 4 years.
All the big teams must have been in for him and i've missed it.
Lets be honest it's complete nonsense to suggest he was better than TAA. He done a job at United but he was one of the poorer players in that team and did he ever with a CL with a quick corner?
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No medals?
Your team has one trophy since 2012 and that was a league cup. How can this be used as a criticism?
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Yes no medals.
And which team would that be because my team haven't won a league cup since 2012although i'm not sure the relevance of my team to a debate about TAA and Rafael.
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Well if you’re not a Liverpool fan that your argument maybe even less relevant because you wouldn’t have seen either play as much as others who watched them week in week out.
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