comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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You may well be right, but I thought Silva's handball didn't matter one bit.
I could be wrong of course
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 33 minutes ago
We are in Pep’s head. He can’t stop talking about us. Prime example he is asked about Ederson and rmds up taking about klopp
https://twitter.com/lfcowen96/status/1194055905060491265?s=21
Rent free
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You lot been talking about Pep for a week and still are
Fack me you lot are dim
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
wouldnt call the first incident a non existent penalty, that could have easily been given, was defo a 50/50 call... one that you probably would have been aggrieved about yourself if the shoe was on the other foot
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for me its soft, but theres no doubt softer ones have been given, then again clearer ones ignored like Alli vs Everton the other week, for me its not a pen but i accept in this day it probably is and i'd expect them to be given.
It worked out exactly how it should have, there was a handball by BS prior so any advantage for City would surely have had to have been pulled back, Oliver essentially whether intentionally or not idk played advantage Liverpool and we scored a cracking goal from it, and Clattenburg agrees.
As for Pep, guys one of the best managers around and top guy, hes emotional and competetive and it all seemed to get to him, understandably however desperate at the end. His contracts up same time as Klopps isnt it end of 20/21 season? Dont think he will stick around with or without a CL trophy win, but looks like hes been grooming Arteta as his successor.
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from what ive read i dont think Klopp will be extending his stay either.
For me Klopp is a far superior manager to pep who has always taken on teams that you would expect to walk every league, barcelona, Bayern and Liverpool.
Klopp on the other hand has taken Dortmund and now liverpool and has had them both punching above their weight, something i dont think pep would have in him.
If pep does go, dont expect him to be taking over anyone other than the likes of PSG or Juve.
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Klopp is far Superior than Pep
Are we back in Ronaldo Messi territory where you have to pick a side and then make tales to make the other side look poor. Is it so hard for us to appreciate both superb managers.
I mean Pep is 48 years old, Klopp is 52
Pep has been a manager for 12 years and coached 4 teams. Klopp has been a manager for 18 years and coached 3 teams in that time.
There is enough evidence that even Klopp methods burn out players as evidenced as Dortmund and the relegation of Mainz but you find people are always quick to point at Pep.
I’m not going to bother comparing the trophy haul because even with less years Pep has obviously coached better and more successful teams.
29 trophies or honors as a manager, 18 as a player, and plays a style of football some managers will not dare and attempt even with billions of funding yet some people now feel its an oprime time to move the Ronaldo Messi pettiness to compare the 2 managers.
I was listening to a pod where to Liverpool supporters were in disagreement, the one supporter says pep is average and achieved what was expected at the clubs he has managed then the other supporter asked him if he was expected to create a Barca team that good that not only dominated spainish football but humbled Sir Alex twice convincingly for that matter.
It’s funny both managers have the utmost respect for each other but the media is going to ruin it by creating these pep vs Klopp arguments.
I don’t believe you can compare managers anyway, a bit like comparing teams from different eras.
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
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There’s a reason you’re struggling to understand. It’s because you’re Incorrect. The rule now relates to offensive handballs which don’t just apply to direct goals but also the creation of and the leading to goals and they don’t have to be deliberate.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
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There’s a reason you’re struggling to understand. It’s because you’re Incorrect. The rule now relates to offensive handballs which don’t just apply to direct goals but also the creation of and the leading to goals and they don’t have to be deliberate.
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Under the rule u have posted then Oliver would have been forced to restart the game and therefore Fabinho would not have scored.
I mean would have been forced to call the Bernardo Silva handball and therefore preventing Fabinho from scoring as a result
Creation of or leading to goals in one single phase as far as I am concerned. Surely a penalty is another phase of play just like a free kick
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
I mean would have been forced to call the Bernardo Silva handball and therefore preventing Fabinho from scoring as a result
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That depends if theyre allowed to play advantage like they are regular free kicks when the team fouled has possession? Im sure refs are well within their right to play on.
As i said, not sure if it was deliberate by Oliver but in the end the right thing happened imo. Handball by BS resulted in handball by TAA which was apparently deemed not a deliberate handball anyway and the ref played on with advantage Liverpool, as did Liverpool, where as Aguero focused on chasing and hounding the ref? And Pep whinging.
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
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There’s a reason you’re struggling to understand. It’s because you’re Incorrect. The rule now relates to offensive handballs which don’t just apply to direct goals but also the creation of and the leading to goals and they don’t have to be deliberate.
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Under the rule u have posted then Oliver would have been forced to restart the game and therefore Fabinho would not have scored.
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Wrong because referees are aware of and should enforce an advantage - which unfortunately for City resulted in a goal.
But it wouldn’t make sense for Oliver to give Liverpool the advantage for a definite hand ball offense as you call it. Oliver saw nothing wrong with Bernardo’s handball and was therefore happy to allow play to continue.
It would be scandalous for Oliver to feel Bernardo’s handling was accidental then VAR to rule out the penalty on an event that Oliver saw as not a handball.
2 rules can’t be used to rule the same scenario. If the handball by Bernardo would have prevented the penalty then it is good enough to prevent Fabinho goal.
I don’t see how a team can get an advantage ft a clear handball call.
Oliver did not play advantage at all.
I think Liverpool are in Gunnersaurus head and thinking more than Guardiola.
We’ve all seen refs making shockers of decisions, time and again. Oliver, for me, the top ref in the game, was right on the spot when the ball struck TAA’s hand, and instantly decided it wasn’t a penalty.
His decision, he was the ref. Same again when Sterling kicked the ball, in the penalty box in the closing minutes and struck Trent. Again, Oliver was right on the spot. His decision, he was the ref, no penalty, move on.
Pep showed no class frankly...
He's better than that
Needs to take City to the CL win....or for me he's failed...despite the domestic treble
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 38 minutes ago
Pep showed no class frankly...
He's better than that
Needs to take City to the CL win....or for me he's failed...despite the domestic treble
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He's not better though. He's proved it time and again how bad a loser he is.
He's got to get his side right for cl. Laporte back.
So if Jurgen throws a fit he's 'passionate', if Pep does likewise he 'lacks class'.
Glad we've sorted that one out.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
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There’s a reason you’re struggling to understand. It’s because you’re Incorrect. The rule now relates to offensive handballs which don’t just apply to direct goals but also the creation of and the leading to goals and they don’t have to be deliberate.
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No, this is wrong (and why the pgmol didn’t reference it at all). Silva’s handball didn’t lead to a goal or a goalscoring chance, as the next action was TAAs handball and it was that that would have caused the penalty. Silva’s would have been assessed exactly the same as TAAs was, I.e. was it deliberate. Oliver deemed neither were, so it was play on.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 14 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
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There’s a reason you’re struggling to understand. It’s because you’re Incorrect. The rule now relates to offensive handballs which don’t just apply to direct goals but also the creation of and the leading to goals and they don’t have to be deliberate.
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No, this is wrong (and why the pgmol didn’t reference it at all). Silva’s handball didn’t lead to a goal or a goalscoring chance, as the next action was TAAs handball and it was that that would have caused the penalty. Silva’s would have been assessed exactly the same as TAAs was, I.e. was it deliberate. Oliver deemed neither were, so it was play on.
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It doesnt make sense, the new rule is "Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season, even if it is accidental," says the Premier League. if you score from a penalty given as a result of the use of hand it'd have to be disallowed surely? It says any goal, penalties come under this too right?
BS handball would have lead to a goal or goalscoring chance if the ref had given a penalty. VAR would surely then have to overrule it and pull it back as a FK to Liverpool?
It isn’t as a result of the use of the hand though, that’s the point. If Silvas handball caused TAAs handball then it wouldn’t be a penalty as it’s accidental and nothing TAA could have done about it.
If it was deemed that TAA deliberately handled it, then again Silvas handball didn’t cause it, it was TAAs own actions that did.
Had the ball missed TAA completely and gone straight to sterling who scored, it would have been disallowed as the handball led directly to it.
BS handball?
It faintly touched his arm, he didn’t stick his hand out to gain advantage
Pep has done a good job but his primary remit was to deliver the CL. It's a tough trophy to win and it looks like this year or bust for him
Silva handball, TAA handball. It's done. Liverpool got the win, that's all that counts
The VAR situation is completely bizarre. Let the ref have another look at an incident and then get on with it. All VAR needs to say is to ask the ref to have a look at it. That won't take anymore time than current. This messing about is ridiculous
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posted on 12/11/19
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
posted on 12/11/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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You may well be right, but I thought Silva's handball didn't matter one bit.
I could be wrong of course
posted on 12/11/19
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 33 minutes ago
We are in Pep’s head. He can’t stop talking about us. Prime example he is asked about Ederson and rmds up taking about klopp
https://twitter.com/lfcowen96/status/1194055905060491265?s=21
Rent free
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You lot been talking about Pep for a week and still are
Fack me you lot are dim
posted on 12/11/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
posted on 12/11/19
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
wouldnt call the first incident a non existent penalty, that could have easily been given, was defo a 50/50 call... one that you probably would have been aggrieved about yourself if the shoe was on the other foot
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for me its soft, but theres no doubt softer ones have been given, then again clearer ones ignored like Alli vs Everton the other week, for me its not a pen but i accept in this day it probably is and i'd expect them to be given.
It worked out exactly how it should have, there was a handball by BS prior so any advantage for City would surely have had to have been pulled back, Oliver essentially whether intentionally or not idk played advantage Liverpool and we scored a cracking goal from it, and Clattenburg agrees.
As for Pep, guys one of the best managers around and top guy, hes emotional and competetive and it all seemed to get to him, understandably however desperate at the end. His contracts up same time as Klopps isnt it end of 20/21 season? Dont think he will stick around with or without a CL trophy win, but looks like hes been grooming Arteta as his successor.
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from what ive read i dont think Klopp will be extending his stay either.
For me Klopp is a far superior manager to pep who has always taken on teams that you would expect to walk every league, barcelona, Bayern and Liverpool.
Klopp on the other hand has taken Dortmund and now liverpool and has had them both punching above their weight, something i dont think pep would have in him.
If pep does go, dont expect him to be taking over anyone other than the likes of PSG or Juve.
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Klopp is far Superior than Pep
Are we back in Ronaldo Messi territory where you have to pick a side and then make tales to make the other side look poor. Is it so hard for us to appreciate both superb managers.
I mean Pep is 48 years old, Klopp is 52
Pep has been a manager for 12 years and coached 4 teams. Klopp has been a manager for 18 years and coached 3 teams in that time.
There is enough evidence that even Klopp methods burn out players as evidenced as Dortmund and the relegation of Mainz but you find people are always quick to point at Pep.
I’m not going to bother comparing the trophy haul because even with less years Pep has obviously coached better and more successful teams.
29 trophies or honors as a manager, 18 as a player, and plays a style of football some managers will not dare and attempt even with billions of funding yet some people now feel its an oprime time to move the Ronaldo Messi pettiness to compare the 2 managers.
I was listening to a pod where to Liverpool supporters were in disagreement, the one supporter says pep is average and achieved what was expected at the clubs he has managed then the other supporter asked him if he was expected to create a Barca team that good that not only dominated spainish football but humbled Sir Alex twice convincingly for that matter.
It’s funny both managers have the utmost respect for each other but the media is going to ruin it by creating these pep vs Klopp arguments.
I don’t believe you can compare managers anyway, a bit like comparing teams from different eras.
posted on 12/11/19
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
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There’s a reason you’re struggling to understand. It’s because you’re Incorrect. The rule now relates to offensive handballs which don’t just apply to direct goals but also the creation of and the leading to goals and they don’t have to be deliberate.
posted on 12/11/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
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There’s a reason you’re struggling to understand. It’s because you’re Incorrect. The rule now relates to offensive handballs which don’t just apply to direct goals but also the creation of and the leading to goals and they don’t have to be deliberate.
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Under the rule u have posted then Oliver would have been forced to restart the game and therefore Fabinho would not have scored.
posted on 12/11/19
I mean would have been forced to call the Bernardo Silva handball and therefore preventing Fabinho from scoring as a result
posted on 12/11/19
Creation of or leading to goals in one single phase as far as I am concerned. Surely a penalty is another phase of play just like a free kick
posted on 12/11/19
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
I mean would have been forced to call the Bernardo Silva handball and therefore preventing Fabinho from scoring as a result
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That depends if theyre allowed to play advantage like they are regular free kicks when the team fouled has possession? Im sure refs are well within their right to play on.
posted on 12/11/19
As i said, not sure if it was deliberate by Oliver but in the end the right thing happened imo. Handball by BS resulted in handball by TAA which was apparently deemed not a deliberate handball anyway and the ref played on with advantage Liverpool, as did Liverpool, where as Aguero focused on chasing and hounding the ref? And Pep whinging.
posted on 12/11/19
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
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There’s a reason you’re struggling to understand. It’s because you’re Incorrect. The rule now relates to offensive handballs which don’t just apply to direct goals but also the creation of and the leading to goals and they don’t have to be deliberate.
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Under the rule u have posted then Oliver would have been forced to restart the game and therefore Fabinho would not have scored.
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Wrong because referees are aware of and should enforce an advantage - which unfortunately for City resulted in a goal.
posted on 12/11/19
But it wouldn’t make sense for Oliver to give Liverpool the advantage for a definite hand ball offense as you call it. Oliver saw nothing wrong with Bernardo’s handball and was therefore happy to allow play to continue.
It would be scandalous for Oliver to feel Bernardo’s handling was accidental then VAR to rule out the penalty on an event that Oliver saw as not a handball.
2 rules can’t be used to rule the same scenario. If the handball by Bernardo would have prevented the penalty then it is good enough to prevent Fabinho goal.
I don’t see how a team can get an advantage ft a clear handball call.
Oliver did not play advantage at all.
posted on 12/11/19
I think Liverpool are in Gunnersaurus head and thinking more than Guardiola.
posted on 12/11/19
We’ve all seen refs making shockers of decisions, time and again. Oliver, for me, the top ref in the game, was right on the spot when the ball struck TAA’s hand, and instantly decided it wasn’t a penalty.
His decision, he was the ref. Same again when Sterling kicked the ball, in the penalty box in the closing minutes and struck Trent. Again, Oliver was right on the spot. His decision, he was the ref, no penalty, move on.
posted on 12/11/19
Pep showed no class frankly...
He's better than that
Needs to take City to the CL win....or for me he's failed...despite the domestic treble
posted on 12/11/19
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 38 minutes ago
Pep showed no class frankly...
He's better than that
Needs to take City to the CL win....or for me he's failed...despite the domestic treble
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He's not better though. He's proved it time and again how bad a loser he is.
He's got to get his side right for cl. Laporte back.
posted on 12/11/19
So if Jurgen throws a fit he's 'passionate', if Pep does likewise he 'lacks class'.
Glad we've sorted that one out.
posted on 12/11/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
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There’s a reason you’re struggling to understand. It’s because you’re Incorrect. The rule now relates to offensive handballs which don’t just apply to direct goals but also the creation of and the leading to goals and they don’t have to be deliberate.
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No, this is wrong (and why the pgmol didn’t reference it at all). Silva’s handball didn’t lead to a goal or a goalscoring chance, as the next action was TAAs handball and it was that that would have caused the penalty. Silva’s would have been assessed exactly the same as TAAs was, I.e. was it deliberate. Oliver deemed neither were, so it was play on.
posted on 13/11/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 14 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 3 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 4 minutes ago
I can see why he lost the plot after not been given the first handball, which imo was a penalty every day of the week.
I do think if City win the CL, he'll be off for a new adventure.
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I thought we'd already established that given the current ruling, a penalty could not be given as the handball from Silva could not have contributed to the giving of a penalty.
Therefore, we get the advantage, not City.
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The current ruling on attacking players handling the ball only applies to an eventual goal. A penalty is NOT a goal so Bernardo Silva’s hand ball was irrelevant as Oliver did not seem it to be a hand ball.
I’m struggling to understand why people can’t understand this simple aspect of the game.
A penalty is not a goal, and the laws only refer to an actual goal unless some people here think a penalty is the same as a goal
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There’s a reason you’re struggling to understand. It’s because you’re Incorrect. The rule now relates to offensive handballs which don’t just apply to direct goals but also the creation of and the leading to goals and they don’t have to be deliberate.
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No, this is wrong (and why the pgmol didn’t reference it at all). Silva’s handball didn’t lead to a goal or a goalscoring chance, as the next action was TAAs handball and it was that that would have caused the penalty. Silva’s would have been assessed exactly the same as TAAs was, I.e. was it deliberate. Oliver deemed neither were, so it was play on.
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It doesnt make sense, the new rule is "Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season, even if it is accidental," says the Premier League. if you score from a penalty given as a result of the use of hand it'd have to be disallowed surely? It says any goal, penalties come under this too right?
posted on 13/11/19
BS handball would have lead to a goal or goalscoring chance if the ref had given a penalty. VAR would surely then have to overrule it and pull it back as a FK to Liverpool?
posted on 13/11/19
It isn’t as a result of the use of the hand though, that’s the point. If Silvas handball caused TAAs handball then it wouldn’t be a penalty as it’s accidental and nothing TAA could have done about it.
If it was deemed that TAA deliberately handled it, then again Silvas handball didn’t cause it, it was TAAs own actions that did.
Had the ball missed TAA completely and gone straight to sterling who scored, it would have been disallowed as the handball led directly to it.
posted on 13/11/19
BS handball?
It faintly touched his arm, he didn’t stick his hand out to gain advantage
posted on 13/11/19
Pep has done a good job but his primary remit was to deliver the CL. It's a tough trophy to win and it looks like this year or bust for him
Silva handball, TAA handball. It's done. Liverpool got the win, that's all that counts
The VAR situation is completely bizarre. Let the ref have another look at an incident and then get on with it. All VAR needs to say is to ask the ref to have a look at it. That won't take anymore time than current. This messing about is ridiculous
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