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Uefa President: Season could be over

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Premier League Clubs won't sue the Premier League if the Premier League is cancelled.

The Premier League IS the Premier League Clubs, and the Premier League Clubs will have voted to cancel it.

14 Clubs can change anything (subject to FA agreement) and if any of the remaining 6 don't adopt the change, they are expelled.

A sensible comprise deal with TV Companies, cancel the season, preserve future incomes, move on.
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You are delusional.

If you create a premise where a season can be scrapped then you immediately lower the price e of future investment as the product is no longer seen as secure.

You will also face significant lawsuits from Liverpool, Leicester, Leeds, West Brom and many others. BT and Sky will pull a billion pounds plus of funding they were due to pay this month which clubs have already spent because the investment was priced in. So clubs will have a huge deficit almost immediately to make up.

Anyway clearly you have no grasp of economics.
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What would Leeds and West Brom actually be claiming for out of interest? I keep seeing this but given both of their leads could be wiped out with 6 games still to go is more a case of tough sh-t than anything else. Leeds and WBA have already lost a lead bigger than their current one this season alone. Anyone who has a mathematical chance to go up has exactly the same right to feel aggrieved, but I couldn't see a single court ruling in any of their favours if a league was cancelled due to a global pandemic. It's an exceptional circumstance and would, in my opinion, get thrown straight out of court.
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Err, is it not obvious to you? The opportunity for promotion, which they were in the hotseat for, was taken away from despite the competition rules showing that the top two teams got promoted. So they entered a league which changed it rules after they committed.

Most clubs accept results can doom their dreams, but they have the right to pursue legal action against competitions which change their rules mid-way through a season and deny promotion opportunities.

I have no issue waiting until Autumn, I have every issue with washing hands of an entire season. Totally undermines the credibility of the leagues, and would be an economic catastrophe.
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The Championship is played over 46 games, not 37. Just because a team is top now, doesn't mean they'll finish there. They could hypothetically both lose their remaining 9 games and not even make the play offs. The amount of variable outcomes is ridiculous. They're not in a virtually unassailable position like Liverpool for instance.

In the scenario they voided the Championship, the league wouldn't have changed it's rules at all as ending the league would be down to exceptional circumstances out of the leagues' hands. It's not like they'd be doing it for the p-sstake, they'd be doing it to protect lives. Please explain what rules would have been changed?

Like you, I want a conclusion to this season, but autumn? That's a big ask to expect many EFL clubs to remain in existence until then without any income. It's not like these divisions are getting huge sums of TV money every month like others do. Players can defer wages of course, but a deferral doesn't write off the money due. Those wages will still need to be paid at some point.

Ad for undermining the credibility of the league, where's the massive public outcry for those leagues already voided? For those teams already promoted? Seems it's a case of "I'm alright, Jack" for many fans.

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comment by Scarf (U21116)
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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It’s a bit naive to think the PL can void the season without considering other leagues.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-void-ruling-emerges-21791681
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It's enormously naive to think they will consider anyone but themselves. Where have you been since 1992?
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Yet you think Sky/BT will compromise towards something they’ve already paid billions for.

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comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
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Promotion is part of the rules of the league.

And rather than moralising me with references to the pandemic, delaying the league is the right thing to do and was the call of the authorities.

Starting a new season and scrapping an old one would be a decision made by the footballing bodies. Consequently, expect significant legal action if that is the choice that is made.

As for Autumn, your point makes no sense. If we can't play until Autumn then actually it makes more sense to continue with this season and get the money rather than lose hundreds of millions of pounds by scrapping it.

Lastly, don't lecture me on self-interest. I support Chelsea, who were increasingly likely to miss out on top four this year. If this year is voided, it suits my interests perfectly as a Chelsea fan. it does not mean I want it.

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"It makes more sense to continue with this season and get the money rather than lose hundreds of millions of pounds by scrapping"

I didn't realise all EFL clubs are going to get millions of pounds at the end of the season! I must have missed that bit. I mean, it's a wonder why any of them struggle at all with the amount of money floating around Leagues one and two isn't it? Or do you mean the Premier League, whose clubs get millions every month from their TV deal? Go and research the annual losses clubs below the Premier League make. I support a team who pride themselves on trying to be sustainable, yet we lose millions every season just trying to compete. We don't all have an oligarch in the boardroom unfortunately 🙄

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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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comment by Scarf (U21116)
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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It’s a bit naive to think the PL can void the season without considering other leagues.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-void-ruling-emerges-21791681
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It's enormously naive to think they will consider anyone but themselves. Where have you been since 1992?
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Yet you think Sky/BT will compromise towards something they’ve already paid billions for.
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Yes, to preserve their business going forward, no Premier League, no Sky

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comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
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comment by Scarf (U21116)
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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comment by Scarf (U21116)
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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It’s a bit naive to think the PL can void the season without considering other leagues.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-void-ruling-emerges-21791681
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It's enormously naive to think they will consider anyone but themselves. Where have you been since 1992?
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Yet you think Sky/BT will compromise towards something they’ve already paid billions for.
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Yes, to preserve their business going forward, no Premier League, no Sky
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It really is the other way round. Other networks wont even pay 50 percent what Sky paid if the season is scrapped.
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For the next 5 seasons you numpty

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The Premier League has cash reserves of £1,500,000,000.00

It could settle a deal with Sky in a heartbeat. Compromise, move on to next season.
Don't compromise, move on to the next 5 seasons with someone else

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comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
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comment by Scarf (U21116)
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The Premier League has cash reserves of £1,500,000,000.00

It could settle a deal with Sky in a heartbeat. Compromise, move on to next season.
Don't compromise, move on to the next 5 seasons with someone else
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No point reasoning with a fantasist.
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Which part is fantasy?

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comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
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comment by Scarf (U21116)
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comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
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comment by Scarf (U21116)
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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comment by Scarf (U21116)
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
It’s a bit naive to think the PL can void the season without considering other leagues.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-void-ruling-emerges-21791681
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It's enormously naive to think they will consider anyone but themselves. Where have you been since 1992?
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Yet you think Sky/BT will compromise towards something they’ve already paid billions for.
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Yes, to preserve their business going forward, no Premier League, no Sky
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It really is the other way round. Other networks wont even pay 50 percent what Sky paid if the season is scrapped.
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For the next 5 seasons you numpty
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The PL will be forced to accept lowball offers from other networks as the product will be tarnished and no longer seen as a reliable asset.

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No they wouldn't and no it wouldn't be. Are you actually mental?

posted on 1/4/20

comment by Scarf (U21116)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
Premier League Clubs won't sue the Premier League if the Premier League is cancelled.

The Premier League IS the Premier League Clubs, and the Premier League Clubs will have voted to cancel it.

14 Clubs can change anything (subject to FA agreement) and if any of the remaining 6 don't adopt the change, they are expelled.

A sensible comprise deal with TV Companies, cancel the season, preserve future incomes, move on.
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How will canceling the season preserve future income?

It will put future income in great peril.

TV companies are losing subscribers and money and will lose hundreds of millions if the season is voided. They are also supposed to pay a tranche of money in May, which they won't pay. If this isn't paid half the clubs won't make it to next season.

posted on 1/4/20

comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
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comment by Scarf (U21116)
posted 10 minutes ago
Premier League Clubs won't sue the Premier League if the Premier League is cancelled.

The Premier League IS the Premier League Clubs, and the Premier League Clubs will have voted to cancel it.

14 Clubs can change anything (subject to FA agreement) and if any of the remaining 6 don't adopt the change, they are expelled.

A sensible comprise deal with TV Companies, cancel the season, preserve future incomes, move on.
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Don't agree with all of that, but you do have a bit of a point there in that clubs who are members of an organisation are expected to abide by all rules and inal decisions of said organisation. They'd have the right to an appeal naturally, and would be able to escalate that appeal through the Court of Arbitration for Sport, but I'd be very surprised if any court ruled in favour of the club(s), particularly given the current circumstances. I'd expect a global health crisis would be considered a fair and just reason to cancel any competition.
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What will be the knock-down effect of such a decision across the board?

For instance, clubs will be unable to pay wages and could rip up player contracts for the same reason. If a season can be cancelled then your contract can be voided on the same grounds and basically any contractual obligation can be absconded because of the global health crisis.

If a player sues a club then I expect a global health crisis would be considered a fair and just reason to cancel any contract especially when the season has been cancelled and clubs have absolutely no source of income to survive until next season.

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comment by Scarf (U21116)
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comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
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Anyway clearly you have no grasp of economics.
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Did you just ignore the "Compromise deal with TV Companies" bit?

I do btw
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You do know, that a "compromise deal with tv companies" is wishful thinking, and that as tv companies hold all the cards it will mean a huge loss for all clubs if the season is discontinued.

I don't think you get this, clubs have already spent money TV companies have not yet provided.

I haven't even mentioned the issues regarding sponsors, commercial deals, contracts, season tickets.
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You're serious aren't you?

Blimey.

1. Context
Global Pandemic. Governmental edicts preventing mass gatherings, reducing unnecessary demands on Emergency Services, social distancing, travel restrictions, hotels shut, flights cancelled.

No court ruling is going to ignore this.
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Exactly. Courts will be aware that if they establish a precedent where covid is grounds to void a contract, they will be opening Pandora's box as any contract will become voidable from the moment that precedent is established.

You can't think small time when it comes to these things saan.



2. So what next for the Premier League if Sky sue?

The Premier League will settle, then end the relationship with Sky.
Disney, Amazon, BeIN, Netflix, Apple, Google and just about every other platform on the planet will happily take the contract up, and pay the equivalent in damages to Sky to secure it.
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If the TV companies sue they will be entitled to 762m in rebates for this season. How much do you think they will claim in compensation for losing the next two seasons as well? The Premier league won't be able to settle that.




3. So what next for Sky if they sue?

They will win a settlement.
Then lose 3 million subscribers to one of Disney, Amazon, BeIN, Netflix, Apple, Google...

And die.
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What will happen if the don't sue?

They are hemorrhaging subscribers at the moment and will have lost hundreds of millions by next season. This will leave a mega blackhole in the accounts and probably they will record a loss for the financial year.

A compromise where the season is finished is the only way.


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